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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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Nonsense. The situation is serious but nothing we can't fix if those assholes in Washington would work together.

The point in all of this is that the government has made an obligation to all of these various demographics to kick back tax dollars to them. And at a point in the not too far future, the country will crumble under the weight of this financial obligation.


Unless benefits are drastically cut back or taxes are raised to impractical levels
 
The point in all of this is that the government has made an obligation to all of these various demographics to kick back tax dollars to them. And at a point in the not too far future, the country will crumble under the weight of this financial obligation.


Unless benefits are drastically cut back or taxes are raised to impractical levels

... or unless benefits are rationally cut back and taxes are raised to historical norms....
 
... or unless benefits are rationally cut back and taxes are raised to historical norms....

There's only what the country can afford and what it can't afford. Just take a look at shareholders. ...Shareholders aren't worried about nationalism. The reason so many companies are shipping jobs offshore and relocating elsewhere is because it's becoming increasingly more expensive to do business in America now. That line of thinking only compounds the problem.
 
What is Perry going to do about it even if what you say is true? You better understand that SS and Medicare are both broke. If you think independents are going to vote again for continuation of the results Obama has generated then you are the one that already bought the swampland.

Lesser of two evils my friend
 
The election will be decided by, the independents. Obama had a lock on them in 2008 (2 to 1) and needs to do it again in order to win again, but theres a problemo. He's losing them over his economic performance.

Poll after poll has shown this.

The big question is can Perry get the indies to vote for him?

Nearly half the country thinks hes doing a good job (41%). In that 41% number are some independents and liberals. In the 59% who say hes not doing a good job are all republicans (40% of the country), some independents, and some liberals (crazy leftist ~19% of the population) . The liberals are going to vote from him regardless.
 
Lesser of two evils my friend

Most people that understand history, personal responsibility, and the true role of Govt. will indeed vote for the lesser of two evils, Perry if he is the nominee
 
BS. We had all that and a balanced budget until Bush became president.

So let me see if I have this right, in your personal budget you borrow money from the bank, in this case intergovt. holdings, and put it into your bank account. You then believe that you have a balanced budget? Interesting that you have a bank that gives you a gift and doesn't expect repayment. I certainly hope it was your money lent to the budget and not someone else's.
 
Stop lying, Con. There are other public jobs besides government jobs. I notice you didn't post private sector jobs. Instead, you posted total jobs minus government jobs and then dishonestly called the remainder, "private jobs." What about teachers, postal employees, etc...

Do you ever stop lying?

Here's private sector jobs ...

Private:
Dec/2007: 8837.6
Jul/2011: 8804.4


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Yet amazingly Obama took office in January and those numbers are positive, so as usual distortion is what you do best

January 2009 8.6 million and July 2011 8.8 million jobs looks like a private sector job increase to me. Guess liberal math is different than the math the rest of us were taught.

2009 8599.3 8566.7 8555.5 8506.2 8507.6 8510.2 8464.7 8460.7 8409.8 8398.1 8416.0 8436.9 8486.0
2010 8282.2 8309.5 8385.5 8427.3 8474.8 8521.0 8511.7 8546.8 8531.5 8565.3 8595.5 8629.3 8481.7
2011 8483.2 8514.4 8612.0 8674.2 8704.8 8778.9 8804.4
 
Wonder when liberals will finally admit what the majority in this country know, Obama economic policy has been a disaster

Bleak Commerce Report Shows 1 Percent Growth in Spring, Ahead of Bernanke Speech

Published August 26, 2011
FoxNews.com

The economy grew at a weaker pace this past spring than the government originally estimated, marking the latest bad news ahead of a key speech Thursday by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Read more: Bleak Commerce Report Shows 1 Percent Growth In Spring, Ahead Of Bernanke Speech | FoxNews.com

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 41% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
I'm going by what Conservative believed. If someone as anti-Obama as he is believed that each stimulus job cost $228,000 (which equates to 3.5 million jobs), what reason would I have to doubt him?

That is fine for your argument against Conservative, however I am not him, and I would like you to provide a credible economist that can lay out what exactly is a saved job. Can you do that or not?

j-mac
 
That is fine for your argument against Conservative, however I am not him, and I would like you to provide a credible economist that can lay out what exactly is a saved job. Can you do that or not?

j-mac

I am not with him either, he took my statement out of context and did not post the lead in to that which stated IF the CBO is accurate and if someone believes in saved jobs then each saved job costs 228,000 each based upon the CBO report of December 2010. I don't believe in saved jobs for like you I know there is no source that measures saved jobs. Sheik loves to distort and divert.
 
I imagine Democrats thought the same thing about Reagan when his JAR sank to 35%.

Yep, you are probably right, but we both know that is political rhetoric, and has little to do with how the people see him in the end.

You know I was listening to a show yesterday that had an interesting take on what you are saying here, and it was that simply when Reagan came into office people were starving for a positive outlook from the morass that Carter left us in. We were looking for a strong leader that could put America back on the track to success. Not some goof that told us to put on a sweater when its cold. We wanted someone strong to deal with foreign policy and assert America's power when needed to get our hostages back, not some apologist that wanted to buddy up with thugs, and terrorists. And we wanted to get back to work seeing that the policies of a quasi socialist didn't work, and caused actual misery.

With Reagan from day one, we got a man that told us that we were great, that told us that we could and would do it, and that put the world on notice that we would not take the back seat to any thug, country, or miscreant.

And you know what, for a time things did indeed get worse, and people, fickle as they are started to question, and libs started to attack. But because of the belief in America's exceptionalism, because Reagan unleashed America's business, and those with the means to invest, and because we ARE the greatest nation on the face of the earth Reagan produced the strongest, longest, and greatest growth and strength in American history.

Now what we seem to have is the anti Reagan rather than something that will actually work.

j-mac
 
That is fine for your argument against Conservative, however I am not him, and I would like you to provide a credible economist that can lay out what exactly is a saved job. Can you do that or not?

j-mac

You really don't have to be John Maynard Keynes to understand it. A saved job is simply one that would have been eliminated but-for the stimulus funds. These are state and local employees who would have been laid off, but who weren't laid off because the states used stimulus money to fund them. It's very apparent now, as the stimulus money winds down and states are laying off tens of thousands of workers per month.
 
You really don't have to be John Maynard Keynes to understand it. A saved job is simply one that would have been eliminated but-for the stimulus funds. These are state and local employees who would have been laid off, but who weren't laid off because the states used stimulus money to fund them. It's very apparent now, as the stimulus money winds down and states are laying off tens of thousands of workers per month.

The problem is you have no idea whether or not those jobs would have been eliminated as the states weren't given the opportunity to solve their own problem. Show me where those jobs are calculated by an unbiased source?
 
You probably can't calculate it to the job, but it's not that hard to do on average.

State, local governments set to see record job cuts, layoffs - Jun. 5, 2011

It also isn't hard to accept the rhetoric of Obama since that is what you want to believe. The fact remains the jobs that Obama says he saved aren't federal responsibility nor were they part of the argument for the stimulus program. The term saved jobs was an after thought since Obama actually knew he was lying about shovel ready jobs. The stimulus program was sold as a job creator and his Administration said it would hold unemployment at 8% and today the unemployment level would be much lower. All Obama did was shore up his base and kick the can down the road. Today's GDP numbers show that to be the case and the jobs situation is worse than when he took office.

Now you can continue to buy the Obama lies or you can man up and show maturing by admitting that Obama made a fool out of you.
 
You really don't have to be John Maynard Keynes to understand it. A saved job is simply one that would have been eliminated but-for the stimulus funds. These are state and local employees who would have been laid off, but who weren't laid off because the states used stimulus money to fund them. It's very apparent now, as the stimulus money winds down and states are laying off tens of thousands of workers per month.

So, In other words, it is totally fictitious....These so called "saved jobs" are what ever Obama, and his supporters want to say they are....That is pure crap. I asked for a credible economist that could lay out the metrics, not some supporter with what they think...You can't provide that, which is no surprise really, because these "saved jobs" are a myth, they are part of the lie.

j-mac
 
The problem is you have no idea whether or not those jobs would have been eliminated as the states weren't given the opportunity to solve their own problem. Show me where those jobs are calculated by an unbiased source?
Yesterday you posted following, the first set of numbers is NOT seasonally adjusted and the second set IS seasonally adjusted. Could you explain why this is??

conservative said:
Here are the official numbers since 2001 the state has increased Govt. jobs from 1.565 million to 1.77 or 205,000. Total employment went from 9.5 million to 10.6 million or 1.2 million which makes govt. employment about 18% with a 20% increase in population.

Guess I just don't see that decrease in private sector jobs you claim happened. Don't you ever get embarrassed by being wrong so often?

Government employment by month from 2001 to 2011

2001 1565.7 1594.7 1600.0 1601.2 1602.0 1559.7 1494.2 1522.8 1603.1 1624.1 1636.3 1630.8 1586.2
2002 1605.4 1638.0 1645.1 1644.7 1647.4 1599.6 1530.3 1550.8 1632.5 1668.1 1677.9 1671.6 1626.0
2003 1642.8 1677.8 1676.1 1677.4 1677.2 1632.1 1555.4 1570.5 1642.2 1664.1 1673.3 1663.7 1646.1
2004 1640.2 1674.4 1676.1 1676.7 1678.7 1636.7 1568.0 1586.2 1661.9 1684.8 1693.9 1688.5 1655.5
2005 1666.5 1700.7 1703.1 1705.2 1707.0 1660.4 1597.5 1618.4 1690.3 1715.9 1727.8 1715.4 1684.0
2006 1696.4 1728.9 1730.0 1726.5 1727.2 1683.9 1609.0 1634.8 1711.3 1741.2 1750.0 1742.5 1706.8
2007 1716.3 1748.1 1754.5 1753.7 1756.7 1717.4 1646.5 1655.6 1731.5 1771.0 1786.0 1781.6 1734.9
2008 1761.8 1793.7 1801.9 1795.2 1799.2 1763.9 1694.1 1701.5 1773.8 1809.5 1828.6 1823.1 1778.9
2009 1804.1 1832.4 1839.2 1848.3 1847.8 1811.7 1735.4 1731.4 1808.4 1859.5 1872.2 1864.2 1821.2
2010 1836.3 1868.8 1881.2 1885.7 1920.6 1877.4 1781.4 1775.0 1833.0 1884.1 1896.7 1883.6 1860.3
2011 1859.4 1889.4 1890.4 1890.3 1882.2 1846.8 1766.8
Total Jobs by month

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 9541.2 9550.7 9556.8 9548.8 9544.0 9540.3 9519.5 9521.4 9504.5 9468.3 9447.9 9429.6
2002 9421.0 9414.8 9422.3 9420.1 9430.4 9423.4 9409.1 9414.9 9422.9 9410.1 9410.5 9401.9
2003 9395.4 9383.9 9365.9 9367.3 9360.1 9352.9 9345.0 9355.0 9368.7 9375.4 9384.6 9393.9
2004 9420.1 9428.2 9439.1 9459.0 9468.3 9480.6 9505.1 9522.6 9516.9 9566.1 9569.7 9581.4
2005 9605.0 9620.3 9638.9 9679.5 9693.3 9698.8 9764.0 9781.8 9809.3 9825.6 9868.6 9885.2
2006 9925.1 9946.8 9986.6 10000.0 10025.3 10051.1 10059.3 10106.5 10139.8 10152.7 10178.2 10212.2
2007 10230.3 10269.5 10314.1 10337.5 10362.8 10394.3 10418.5 10433.4 10452.7 10485.9 10506.5 10526.3
2008 10561.5 10595.0 10587.7 10612.0 10616.2 10626.7 10639.9 10642.4 10607.4 10617.3 10605.2 10574.5
2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8
 
So let me see if I have this right, in your personal budget you borrow money from the bank, in this case intergovt. holdings, and put it into your bank account. You then believe that you have a balanced budget? Interesting that you have a bank that gives you a gift and doesn't expect repayment. I certainly hope it was your money lent to the budget and not someone else's.
I can't help that yoiu don't uinderstand the difference between the debt and the deficit.
 
Yesterday you posted following, the first set of numbers is NOT seasonally adjusted and the second set IS seasonally adjusted. Could you explain why this is??

Yesterday I posted numbers from BLS right from the state home page, the numbers are what they are and apparently the total jobs by industry aren't seasonally adjusted as govt. jobs don't seem to fluctuate much by season especially in TX since we have such a mild winter. Not sure but what exactly is your point? Think that seasonally adjusted govt. jobs will make that much of a difference? I suggest better research on your part to determine whether or not the Obama Administration is lying to you. Keep reading the rest of the thread and get the answer to your concerns.
 
So, In other words, it is totally fictitious....These so called "saved jobs" are what ever Obama, and his supporters want to say they are....That is pure crap. I asked for a credible economist that could lay out the metrics, not some supporter with what they think...You can't provide that, which is no surprise really, because these "saved jobs" are a myth, they are part of the lie.

j-mac

I had hoped that common sense would suffice, but apparently that's lacking. So here you go: http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/End-of-Great-Recession.pdf
 
Yet amazingly Obama took office in January and those numbers are positive, so as usual distortion is what you do best

January 2009 8.6 million and July 2011 8.8 million jobs looks like a private sector job increase to me. Guess liberal math is different than the math the rest of us were taught.

2009 8599.3 8566.7 8555.5 8506.2 8507.6 8510.2 8464.7 8460.7 8409.8 8398.1 8416.0 8436.9 8486.0
2010 8282.2 8309.5 8385.5 8427.3 8474.8 8521.0 8511.7 8546.8 8531.5 8565.3 8595.5 8629.3 8481.7
2011 8483.2 8514.4 8612.0 8674.2 8704.8 8778.9 8804.4
Too funny, Con ...

You post bull**** numbers and when I point out your numbers are bull**** and explain why they're bull****, rather than own your bull****, you try to claim I'm the one distorting numbers.

:roll:

When does your lying end? When are you going to begin to debate honestly?
 
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