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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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By nearly every measure....At least he didn't go around apologizing for America's existence.


j-mac

And my Avitar says it all, total respect from the Military as well as anyone in this country that understands personal responsibility as well as individual freedoms.
 
Let's see if I can make this clear so that even a liberal can understand it, Conservatives don't give a damn how much someone else makes or pays in taxes. This even means that conservatives don't care how much you make and would love to see you become one of those evil rich people that the elite liberals want to demonize. You call that arrogance, I call it common sense and reality. Keep putting blame on someone else but the Obama resume is playing out, total incompetence and lack of leadership. He got to where he is today by flowery rhetoric and a big smile that hid his lack of experience and created a brainwashed group of minions.

He has performed exactly has his resume showed. Book smart, street stupid liberals trying to manage a private sector economy that they don't understand o want to understand. The Ivy League arrogance is on total display.

I didn't expect you to understand the real deal. Maybe I should have typed slower.
 
By nearly every measure....At least he didn't go around apologizing for America's existence.


j-mac
Ok, let's start with unemployment. When Bush became president, there were 6.3 million unemployed+discouraged workers...

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

After 30 months in office, there were 9.5 million. When Obama became president, there were 12.7 million unemployed+discouraged workers ... 30 months later there were 15.1 million.

We lose 3.2 million to unemployment+discouraged workers in Bush's first 30 months; compared with 2.4 million under Obama.

And that's not factoring in that the workforce under Obama was 4% larger.

And even more to the point, that's not factoring in that in the month Obama took over. January of '09, 732,000 people were added to that number. But it does include that between February, 2009 and June, when the Bush Great Recession ended, there an additional 3 million who lost their job or became counted as discouraged workers.

So when it comes to unemployment, Bush was worse than Obama.
 
And my Avitar says it all, total respect from the Military as well as anyone in this country that understands personal responsibility as well as individual freedoms.
I can't make out that picture, it's too tiny. Where's it from?
 
Ok, let's start with unemployment. When Bush became president, there were 6.3 million unemployed+discouraged workers...

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

After 30 months in office, there were 9.5 million. When Obama became president, there were 12.7 million unemployed+discouraged workers ... 30 months later there were 15.1 million.

We lose 3.2 million to unemployment+discouraged workers in Bush's first 30 months; compared with 2.4 million under Obama.

And that's not factoring in that the workforce under Obama was 4% larger.

And even more to the point, that's not factoring in that in the month Obama took over. January of '09, 732,000 people were added to that number. But it does include that between February, 2009 and June, when the Bush Great Recession ended, there an additional 3 million who lost their job or became counted as discouraged workers.

So when it comes to unemployment, Bush was worse than Obama.

when it come to reality, look around you and see whats its like right now....you can massage numbers all you want but the fact is i know a lot more people out of work NOW than i did 5 years ago
 
when it come to reality, look around you and see whats its like right now....you can massage numbers all you want but the fact is i know a lot more people out of work NOW than i did 5 years ago

The same does apply when Bush 43 was a t the 30mnth mark
 
Thanks. Is that the one that was photoshopped to add more troops?

Not to bring up the H word, but it looks like something from WWII propoganda.
 
when it come to reality, look around you and see whats its like right now....
I "massaged" nothing. I gave you the number of people who lost their job in Bush's first 30 months compared to Obama's first 30 months.

With a larger workforce than Bush had ...

Losing 732,000 jobs in January, 2009 ...

Losing another 3 million jobs during the next 5 months until the end of Bush's Great Recession ....

Obama lost 2.4 million jobs ... Bush lost 3.2 million


....you can massage numbers all you want but the fact is i know a lot more people out of work NOW than i did 5 years ago
I have no doubt you know more people now who are unemployed than you did 5 years ago. 8 million jobs were lost during Bush's Great Recession.

That still doesn't mean that Bush, with a smaller work force, with an economy not nearly as bad as what Obama inherited, lost far more jobs than Obama during his first 30 months in office.

Another poster said that Bush was better than Obama "by nearly every measure." Well so far, we've explored unemployment; and clearly Bush was not better by that measure.
 
I "massaged" nothing. I gave you the number of people who lost their job in Bush's first 30 months compared to Obama's first 30 months.

With a larger workforce than Bush had ...

Losing 732,000 jobs in January, 2009 ...

Losing another 3 million jobs during the next 5 months until the end of Bush's Great Recession ....

Obama lost 2.4 million jobs ... Bush lost 3.2 million



I have no doubt you know more people now who are unemployed than you did 5 years ago. 8 million jobs were lost during Bush's Great Recession.

That still doesn't mean that Bush, with a smaller work force, with an economy not nearly as bad as what Obama inherited, lost far more jobs than Obama during his first 30 months in office.

Another poster said that Bush was better than Obama "by nearly every measure." Well so far, we've explored unemployment; and clearly Bush was not better by that measure.

When exactly does this become the Obama economy in your world? Apparently shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready after signing the Stimulus Act in February 2009. How do you explain more unemployed and a lower labor force today vs. when Obama took office after spending so much money?
 
When exactly does this become the Obama economy in your world? Apparently shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready after signing the Stimulus Act in February 2009. How do you explain more unemployed and a lower labor force today vs. when Obama took office after spending so much money?
We lost 8 million jobs during the 19 month Bush reecssion. Obama claimed his stimulus would only save about 3 million of those. And even you [tacitly] heralded Obama's stimulus a rousing success when you pointed out the results of his stimulus plan saved 3½ million jobs -- half a million more than he targeted.

Had McCain been elected, there would have been no stimulus and there would now be an additional 3½ million unemployed, bringing the total number of unemployed to around 29 million.

Of course, you'd be defending McCain.
:applaud
 
We lost 8 million jobs during the 19 month Bush reecssion. Obama claimed his stimulus would only save about 3 million of those. And even you [tacitly] heralded Obama's stimulus a rousing success when you pointed out the results of his stimulus plan saved 3½ million jobs -- half a million more than he targeted.

Had McCain been elected, there would have been no stimulus and there would now be an additional 3½ million unemployed, bringing the total number of unemployed to around 29 million.

Of course, you'd be defending McCain.
:applaud

So you keep saying, Bush wasn't in office in 2010 and 2011 and Bush had nothing to do with the results Obama has generated which of course you ignore. how do you explain the U.S. labor force dropping since Obama took office? how do you explain fewer people employed than when Obama took office? How do you explain the very poor economic results two years after the end of a recession? Your loyalty to Obama says a lot about you, apparently you need the nanny state he wants here
 
By nearly every measure....At least he didn't go around apologizing for America's existence.


j-mac
do elaborate on this, give examples...and i don't believe he ever 'apologized' for America's 'existence'...
 
So you keep saying, Bush wasn't in office in 2010 and 2011 and Bush had nothing to do with the results Obama has generated which of course you ignore. how do you explain the U.S. labor force dropping since Obama took office? how do you explain fewer people employed than when Obama took office? How do you explain the very poor economic results two years after the end of a recession?
I explain it as what you post is bull****. The effects of Bush's Great Recession don't get erased this quickly, it takes years. That's like saying Hoover's destruction of the economy wasn't still felt in 1935.

Your loyalty to Obama says a lot about you, apparently you need the nanny state he wants here
And your constant lying says a lot about you. I've told you that I have a job and receive nothing from the "nanny state" you refer to. So stop with the lies already. You confuse me needing help with me wanting the state to help out those who do need it.
 
I explain it as what you post is bull****. The effects of Bush's Great Recession don't get erased this quickly, it takes years. That's like saying Hoover's destruction of the economy wasn't still felt in 1935.


And your constant lying says a lot about you. I've told you that I have a job and receive nothing from the "nanny state" you refer to. So stop with the lies already. You confuse me needing help with me wanting the state to help out those who do need it.

Apparently the majority in this country aren't buying your bull****. Calling me a liar is what you do when you cannot refute the actual non partisan numbers presented. Bush didn't lose 8 million jobs and ended up with a net job gain. Obama got his stimulus passed for shovel ready jobs immediately after taking office and it failed by all measurements. You keep buying the rhetoric as I am sure he appreciates the very little support he is getting today. The liberal elites are laughing their asses off at you. The facts are there, more unemployed, fewer jobs, fewer employed, 4 trillion added to the debt, downgrade of our credit rating. yep, 2 1/2 years of liberal economic policy and total failure. Such low standards you have.
 
And your constant lying says a lot about you. I've told you that I have a job and receive nothing from the "nanny state" you refer to. So stop with the lies already. You confuse me needing help with me wanting the state to help out those who do need it.

When I was sitting in the ER carrying about 25 ponds of fluid in my ankles and legs and a panel of doctors in front of me said "Hello and welcome to the cardiac" about the last thing on my mind was ideological positions on the so called "nanny state."

I was pretty much dieing at that moment.
 
When I was sitting in the ER carrying about 25 ponds of fluid in my ankles and legs and a panel of doctors in front of me said "Hello and welcome to the cardiac" about the last thing on my mind was ideological positions on the so called "nanny state."

I was pretty much dieing at that moment.

Welcome to the best medical system in the world without Obamacare.
 
I have full disability bright eyes.

In a year I will have medicare at the ripe old age of 45.

My wife has been battling cancer twice over the last three years and I couldn't be happier with the treatment she is getting. We don't need Obamacare and apparently neither do you.
 
My wife has been battling cancer twice over the last three years and I couldn't be happier with the treatment she is getting.

I sincerely hope the best for her.

We don't need Obamacare and apparently neither do you.

I know, it is like putting a band aide where a tourniquet is needed. What we need is UHC.
 
Apparently the majority in this country aren't buying your bull****.
Oh? Does this mean you've finally found someone who can beat Obama? :lamo

Calling me a liar is what you do when you cannot refute the actual non partisan numbers presented.
No, it's what I do when you lie. Stop lying and I'll have no reason to call you on it.

Bush didn't lose 8 million jobs and ended up with a net job gain.
8 million jobs were lost in Bush's Great Recession. And his net gain was so poor, that the unemployment rate doubled on his watch. Unemployment was higher (and still growing) when Bush left office than every other president dating back to Herbert Hoover.

Obama got his stimulus passed for shovel ready jobs immediately after taking office and it failed by all measurements.
Whoooa, you're lying again. By your measure, it resulted in 3½ million jobs saved. A success since his stimulus targeted 3 million.

The liberal elites are laughing their asses off at you. The facts are there, more unemployed, fewer jobs, fewer employed, 4 trillion added to the debt, downgrade of our credit rating. yep, 2 1/2 years of liberal economic policy and total failure. Such low standards you have.
And yet his record on unemployment is better than every Republican president going back as far as the data allows. Guess that makes your standards even lower than mine. :cool:

Here's a list of presidents, along with the percentage of increase, or decrease, of the U3 unemployment rate after 30 months in office...


Nixon ............ +76%
Bush ............. +48%
Eisenhower ... +38%
Ford* ............. +36%
GHW Bush ..... +26%
Reagan ......... +25%
Obama .......... +17%
Kennedy ........ -15%
Clinton ........... -22%
Carter ............ -24%
Johnson ......... -33%


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

* = Ford served 29 months
 
I sincerely hope the best for her.



I know, it is like putting a band aide where a tourniquet is needed. What we need is UHC.

Thanks for the concern about my wife, she is doing great and is going to beat this

How does UHC provide lower costs and better care than what you are getting right now. Please give me an example anywhere else in the world where UHC has been successful in improving healthcare and lowering costs?
 
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