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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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Conservative said:
Great information, I will have to remember that in my argument with other conservatives. Doubt they will be smart enough to know that 2009 had TARP and Stimulus spending, Way to go!!
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And isn't the majority of Obama's spending either deferred to future years (2013 for example of the HealthCare spending and years after)? So spreading it out or having the spending hit in future years doesn't really capture the spending of that current year and makes for a disingenuous argument. He kicked the can down the road on the spending is all... it's not like it didn't happen.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Guess you don't know that 2010 also had stimulus money spent, huh?

What a pity.
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Yea, you are right, but after checking the numbers we better change our tactics. Looks to me like 2010 numbers were higher than 2009 even with TARP and Stimulus. Hmmmm

2010 2009 2008

Defense 696.1 662.8 616.1
International Affairs 45.2 38.6 28.9
Gen. Science, Space 30.9 29.9 27.8
Energy 11.5 4.6 ..5
Natural resources/env 41.6 45.7 31.9
Agriculture 23.2 14.0 18.4
Commerce 30.1 292.5 27.7
Transportation 92.5 84.4 77.6
Community Dev 24.5 26.2 23.9
Education/Train/Social 125.1 78.2 90.9
Health 369.0 334.3 280.7
Medicare 451.6 430.1 390.8
Income Security 624.0 533.9 427.4
Social Security 706.7 683.0 617.0
Veterans Benefits 108.4 95.5 84.6
Justice 55.2 53.4 47.1
General Govt. 18.1 17.6 20.3
Net Interest 196.9 190.9 252.8


Total 3650.6 3615.6 3063.9
 
Ockham said:
And isn't the majority of Obama's spending either deferred to future years (2013 for example of the HealthCare spending and years after)? So spreading it out or having the spending hit in future years doesn't really capture the spending of that current year and makes for a disingenuous argument. He kicked the can down the road on the spending is all... it's not like it didn't happen.
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But that isn't today and for today is all we should be concerned about. Right now we need to get Bush out of the WH so Obama doesn't have to deal with these numbers

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, spending went down in 2010.
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What happened? Did the Chinese turn him down again?

In any case, it's good to see that Barrack Obama has spending under control. Perhaps the Credit Rating people weren't made aware of this.
 
Grant said:
What happened? Did the Chinese turn him down again?

In any case, it's good to see that Barrack Obama has spending under control. Perhaps the Credit Rating people weren't made aware of this.
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I think we need to hide the following from the public

Total

2010 budget 3650.6

2009 Budget 3615.6

2008 Budget 3063.9
 
Conservative said:
Yea, you are right, but after checking the numbers we better change our tactics. Looks to me like 2010 numbers were higher than 2009 even with TARP and Stimulus. Hmmmm

2010 2009 2008

Defense 696.1 662.8 616.1
International Affairs 45.2 38.6 28.9
Gen. Science, Space 30.9 29.9 27.8
Energy 11.5 4.6 ..5
Natural resources/env 41.6 45.7 31.9
Agriculture 23.2 14.0 18.4
Commerce 30.1 292.5 27.7
Transportation 92.5 84.4 77.6
Community Dev 24.5 26.2 23.9
Education/Train/Social 125.1 78.2 90.9
Health 369.0 334.3 280.7
Medicare 451.6 430.1 390.8
Income Security 624.0 533.9 427.4
Social Security 706.7 683.0 617.0
Veterans Benefits 108.4 95.5 84.6
Justice 55.2 53.4 47.1
General Govt. 18.1 17.6 20.3
Net Interest 196.9 190.9 252.8


Total 3650.6 3615.6 3063.9
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This data ...

2008: 2982.54
2009: 3517.68
2010: 3456.21

usgs_line.php


... can be found at:

Government Spending Chart in United States 2008-2010 - Federal State Local

... where's the link to the data you presented?
 
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Grant said:
What happened? Did the Chinese turn him down again?

In any case, it's good to see that Barrack Obama has spending under control. Perhaps the Credit Rating people weren't made aware of this.
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Or perhaps they were more concerned that Obama and the Republican-led House will never come to an agreement on how to rectify the debt problem.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Or perhaps they were more concerned that Obama and the Republican-led House will never come to an agreement on how to rectify the debt problem.
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My understanding is that the Democrats had control of the Presidency, the House, and Senate until January of this year. Did the debts only begin accumulating after that?

I read somewhere that the Republicans, with the encouragement of the Tea Party, wanted to get spending under control, in the form of spending cuts and a balanced budget Amendment, but this was discouraged by the President and his supporters.

It seems the President's only suggestion to solve the debt problem so far is that 'the rich' should pay more. He does not appear to be encumbered by imagination.
 
Grant said:
My understanding is that the Democrats had control of the Presidency, the House, and Senate until January of this year. Did the debts only begin accumulating after that?

I read somewhere that the Republicans, with the encouragement of the Tea Party, wanted to get spending under control, in the form of spending cuts and a balanced budget Amendment, but this was discouraged by the President and his supporters.

It seems the President's only suggestion to solve the debt problem so far is that 'the rich' should pay more. He does not appear to be encumbered by imagination.
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And my understanding is that the Republican-led House was not interested in compromising with Obama or the Democrats on raising the debt ceiling. It was, their way or the highway, if Obama wanted that ceiling to be raised and they stuck to their guns until they got 98% of what they wanted. They basically held the nation hostage with the debt ceiling to get what they wanted and this was at least part of the reason for the downgrade as the S&P even cited political brinkmanship in Washington as a hindrance for fixing the problem.
 
Conservative said:
That is because of an 82 billion credit in Commerce which we know didn't happen. How do you explain an entire Dept having a credit?
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I'm posting numbers from verifiable sites. I have no idea what numbers you're making up. Spending went down in 2010.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm posting numbers from verifiable sites. I have no idea what numbers you're making up. Spending went down in 2010.
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Let's see if we can get Bush out of the WH. Obama cannot be strapped with these results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Bush unemployment rate: started at 4.2% and ended at 7.8% -- an increase of 86%
Obama unemployment rate: started at 7.8% and is currently at 9.1% -- an increase of 17%

Bush, 86% increase in unemployment; Obama, 17% increase ... Conservatives prefer Bush. Go figure?
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Yeah, that's a real head scratcher there.

Bush would have been such a better president had he only been able to maintain unemployment levels above 9%.

Thank God for No-Drama Obama. With him, at least we know things will be consistently awful.

Consistency is the key to great leadership.

Obama '12
 
Hey, good news for ya, Conservative ...

Obama's JAR is back down to 39% on Gallup. So the good news is you get to boast again about Obama's JAR being in the 30's; but the bad news is that doesn't erase the lie you told when you said his JAR was 39% when it was really 41%.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Hey, good news for ya, Conservative ...

Obama's JAR is back down to 39% on Gallup. So the good news is you get to boast again about Obama's JAR being in the 30's; but the bad news is that doesn't erase the lie you told when you said his JAR was 39% when it was really 41%.
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Actually it is great news for both of us now since we are part of a declining number of supporters. Pretty soon it will be you, Adam, Pb, and a few others and we can get his ear very well and get everything we want implemented.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Or perhaps they were more concerned that Obama and the Republican-led House will never come to an agreement on how to rectify the debt problem.
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Does Obama have an idea on how to rectify the debt problem?

He did present a budget, I know that, but it was rejected by everyone else by 97-0. Since then I've only heard him say that others should come up with a compromise of some sort.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Hey, good news for ya, Conservative ...

Obama's JAR is back down to 39% on Gallup. So the good news is you get to boast again about Obama's JAR being in the 30's; but the bad news is that doesn't erase the lie you told when you said his JAR was 39% when it was really 41%.
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It's starting to get a little crowded on the Obamaphobia bus!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Bush: 12 million additional underemployed to 22 million
Obama: 3 million additional underemployed to 25 million

And Conservative is happier with Bush's results than with Obama's. :roll:
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Rightwingers also have no problem with the first $10T in debt piled up, for the most part, under repub presidents.
 
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