Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Blaming Obama for not competely saving us from Bush's mess is akin to blaming the NY firefighters who lost their lives on 9.11 because they couldn't save the Twin Towers.

You are right but I post the Obama 2011 for a record, to give him credit for saving us from the Bush numbers generated with Democrat control of Congress. These economic numbers are indeed outstanding

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

winston53660 said:
I wonder what the favorable/unfavorable ratings btwn Republican and Democrat parties are?

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CNN/ORC Poll – August 5-7 – Congress, Political Parties

D favorable 47% unfavorable 47%

R favorable 33% unfavorable 59%

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I hope you will join me in celebrating the Obama accomplishments

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Ockham · Aug 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
Reagan didn't have a Democrat like, Republican Mitch McConnell, who said it's his number one goal in Congress is to defeat Obama.

You never heard of Tip O'Neil then. :roll:

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
You are right, I am a liar but then I am a Conservative what do you expect?

I excect honesty. Regrettably, that's not what you deliver. What you fail to understand is that by constantly lying, you prove your position is not as sound as you believe it is.

Conservative said:
Guess these economic results are indeed lies

Well let's start with this one ... "4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years." That is a flat out lie since it a) dumps responsibility for the debt on Obama as of January 20th, 2009, which is absurd on its face; and b) ignores the portion of that increase to the debt which is directly attributable to George Bush, like his $1.2 trillion contribution to the FY2009 budget deficit. But g'head, keep lying. It only serves to undermine your own position.

winston53660 · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
I hope you will join me in celebrating the Obama accomplishments

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

So you are not going to actually address what I posted are you?

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

AdamT said:
I was in my 20s in the 80s. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress for most of Reagan's presidency, but he was able to get through most of his agenda. If he had faced an opposition party like Obama is facing he would have accomplished absolutely nothing that he wanted to do. You simply can't deny that with a straight face.

Republicans controlled the Senate for Reagan's first 6 years in office.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I excect honesty. Regrettably, that's not what you deliver. What you fail to understand is that by constantly lying, you prove your position is not as sound as you believe it is.

Well let's start with this one ... "4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years." That is a flat out lie since it a) dumps responsibility for the debt on Obama as of January 20th, 2009, which is absurd on its face; and b) ignores the portion of that increase to the debt which is directly attributable to George Bush, like his $1.2 trillion contribution to the FY2009 budget deficit. But g'head, keep lying. It only serves to undermine your own position.

You are right, 4 trillion wasn't added to the debt in three years even though that is what the Treasury Dept shows. We all should believe Obama and his supporters vs. the checkbook of the United States. You see, Bush is responsible for everything that happened in 2001 whereas Obama isn't responsible for anything that happened even now 2 1/2 years later. I love being a liberal. These results are outstanding

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

pbrauer · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
Different thread same old bull****. Do all taxpayers pay those tax increases that Reagan implemented? Do you know what FICA funds? Instead of looking at FICA as a tax increase, why aren't you looking at it as a retirement contribution. Are you going to draw SS when you turn 65? On the other hand the American taxpayer got an income tax reduction during the Reagan years and that benefited the taxpayer but drives liberals like you crazy. You want a bigger American Govt. whereas the majority don't. Amazing that Obama has a 39% approval rating with such incredible economic results or maybe his rating is justified

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

One thing that sticks in my mind about Reagan, he was so worried that restaurant workers wouldn't pay taxes on their tips, he had put in the code that they would need to report a figure based upon the gross of the restaurant. Reagan was all about letting the rich off the hook and screwing the little guy or woman.

winston53660 · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
You are right, 4 trillion wasn't added to the debt in three years even though that is what the Treasury Dept shows. We all should believe Obama and his supporters vs. the checkbook of the United States. You see, Bush is responsible for everything that happened in 2001 whereas Obama isn't responsible for anything that happened even now 2 1/2 years later. I love being a liberal. These results are outstanding

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Would you advise some one when buying a used car to look under the hood to see what kind of problems they are inheriting?

AdamT · Aug 16, 2011

Here are some gems from Reagan's first OMB director, David Stockman:

"Republicans used to believe that prosperity depended upon the regular balancing of accounts — in government, in international trade, on the ledgers of central banks and in the financial affairs of private households and businesses, too. But the new catechism, as practiced by Republican policymakers for decades now, has amounted to little more than money printing and deficit finance — vulgar Keynesianism robed in the ideological vestments of the prosperous classes."

Mr. Stockman took care to lay blame at the foot of the man he described in the Lloyd Grove interview as an “evil genius” – Milton Friedman – who convinced President Nixon in 1971 to “to unleash on the world paper dollars no longer redeemable in gold or other fixed monetary reserves.”

Despite the fact that tax cuts are considered by many as the ultimate panacea for all of America’s economic problems, David Stockman set the record straight about how the religion of taxcut-ology began:

"Through the 1984 election, the old guard earnestly tried to control the deficit, rolling back about 40 percent of the original Reagan tax cuts. But when, in the following years, the Federal Reserve chairman, Paul Volcker, finally crushed inflation, enabling a solid economic rebound, the new tax-cutters not only claimed victory for their supply-side strategy but hooked Republicans for good on the delusion that the economy will outgrow the deficit if plied with enough tax cuts.

By fiscal year 2009, the tax-cutters had reduced federal revenues to 15 percent of gross domestic product, lower than they had been since the 1940s."

sangha · Aug 16, 2011

winston53660 said:
So you are not going to actually address what I posted are you?

Rightwingers never do. That's how I know that even they know that they're wrong. They just want to "win" an internet debate. They are addicted to "winning"

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
You are right, 4 trillion wasn't added to the debt in three years even though that is what the Treasury Dept shows.

Seriously, Con, can you debate without lying?

I never said the debt didn't increase $4 trillion in 3 years. For you to infer that I did say that is nothing short of lying.

What I did say, which you lied in regurgitating with the hope you could somehow deflect from reality, is that Obama is not responsible for all $4 trillion.

Conservative said:
I love being a liberal. These results are outstanding

Well you seem to love the 12 million additional underemployed under Bush. Does that make you a Liberal?

pbrauer · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Fitch Ratings backs US ‘AAA’ credit rating

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...fitch-ratings-backs-us-aaa-credit-rating.html

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

winston53660 said:
Would you advise some one when buying a used car to look under the hood to see what kind of problems they are inheriting?

No because that isn't the responsibility of a sitting Senator to know what is going on in the economy. Obama cannot be held responsible for the Congressional activities while he was in office. After all he was too busy working on his next job while collecting a paycheck for his job as Senator. I think we all should vote for Obama for another four years of these kind of economic results.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Seriously, Con, can you debate without lying?

I never said the debt didn't increase $4 trillion in 3 years. For you to infer that I did say that is nothing short of lying.

What I did say, which you lied in regurgitating with the hope you could somehow deflect from reality, is that Obama is not responsible for all $4 trillion.

Well you seem to love the 12 million additional underemployed under Bush. Does that make you a Liberal?

Totally agree, the additional unemployed under Bush were so great that Obama did the right thing and increased them. Since you accuse me of lying so much I guess that does make me a liberal.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
Fitch Ratings backs US ‘AAA’ credit rating

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...fitch-ratings-backs-us-aaa-credit-rating.html

Outstanding!! Now Obama has an increased credit card limit, just think what he could do with that increase. We all should rejoice as we can now expect more govt. spending and more outstanding results like the following

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Those results sure warrant my vote in 2012

winston53660 · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
No because that isn't the responsibility of a sitting Senator to know what is going on in the economy. Obama cannot be held responsible for the Congressional activities while he was in office. After all he was too busy working on his next job while collecting a paycheck for his job as Senator. I think we all should vote for Obama for another four years of these kind of economic results.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume this was a lame attempt at sarcasm instead of assuming worse about your statement.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Seriously, Con, can you debate without lying?

I never said the debt didn't increase $4 trillion in 3 years. For you to infer that I did say that is nothing short of lying.

What I did say, which you lied in regurgitating with the hope you could somehow deflect from reality, is that Obama is not responsible for all $4 trillion.

Well you seem to love the 12 million additional underemployed under Bush. Does that make you a Liberal?

Right, Obama isn't responsible for anything that happened on his watch, I totally agree. It is great being a liberal because you can manipulate the numbers any way you want. I love being a liberal. These results actually didn't happen and are all Bush's fault

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

pbrauer · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Seriously, Con, can you debate without lying?

I never said the debt didn't increase $4 trillion in 3 years. For you to infer that I did say that is nothing short of lying.

What I did say, which you lied in regurgitating with the hope you could somehow deflect from reality, is that Obama is not responsible for all $4 trillion.

Well you seem to love the 12 million additional underemployed under Bush. Does that make you a Liberal?

The Great Bush Recession meant that over a trillion dollars income tax revenue was lost.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

winston53660 said:
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume this was a lame attempt at sarcasm instead of assuming worse about your statement.

Now why would that be sarcasm as we know that Bush was a king without Congressional oversight and Obama had no way of knowing what was going on. It is hard knowing what is going on while on the campaign trail. Everything on day one was inherited from Bush as for the two years that Democrats were in control of Congress, Bush had the powers of a king. Now of course Obama is saving us from the mess because he is in the oval office instead of being in Congress where he obviously didn't know what Bush was doing.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
The Great Bush Recession meant that over a trillion dollars income tax revenue was lost.

Exactly and the Bush recession continues today with lost revenue to the Treasury and Obama is saving us with the following results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

winston53660 · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
Now why would that be sarcasm as we know that Bush was a king without Congressional oversight and Obama had no way of knowing what was going on. It is hard knowing what is going on while on the campaign trail. Everything on day one was inherited from Bush as for the two years that Democrats were in control of Congress, Bush had the powers of a king. Now of course Obama is saving us from the mess because he is in the oval office instead of being in Congress where he obviously didn't know what Bush was doing.

Wow you are getting really desperate now.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
Totally agree, the additional unemployed under Bush were so great that Obama did the right thing and increased them.

Bush: 12 million additional underemployed to 22 million
Obama: 3 million additional underemployed to 25 million

And Conservative is happier with Bush's results than with Obama's. :roll:

pbrauer · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
Exactly and the Bush recession continues today with lost revenue to the Treasury and Obama is saving us with the following results

Wrong, the economy has cancer and it was caught on Bush's watch. The same thing happened in '29 when another Republican was in charge. It takes time for the cure, con.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Bush: 12 million additional underemployed to 22 million
Obama: 3 million additional underemployed to 25 million

And Conservative is happier with Bush's results than with Obama's. :roll:

You are right, I should be happy that Obama spent trillions and generated the following results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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