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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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haymarket said:
every time a libertarian uses that excuse it translates into. They prefer the old days when they could hold their county convention in a phone booth and some people thought they did not like meat. Today, we know them very very well thanks to their adoption of internet message boards as a main recruiting and proselytizing tool.
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Libertariaism =/= isolationism unless by isolationism you mean not policing the world.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
It is sad, but I do believe you actually believe this.
Thank you making it abundantly clear that I need not seriously consider anything you might post, nor waste any time in responding to it.
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Before you leave you might want to stop at the nearest emergency room and have something reattached to your backside. It seems to have become unattached.:2wave:
 
Something to think about, liberals. Currently 47% of the American Income earners pay zero in Federal Income Taxes and we have a President who thinks the top 1% who pay over 38% of the Income taxes aren't paying their fair share. Could this be true?

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
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Conservative said:
Something to think about, liberals. Currently 47% of the American Income earners pay zero in Federal Income Taxes and we have a President who thinks the top 1% who pay over 38% of the Income taxes aren't paying their fair share. Could this be true?
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quote conservative in post #1121

What does that question have to do with the thread topic?
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Hhmmm...:roll:
 
Conservative said:
Something to think about, liberals. Currently 47% of the American Income earners pay zero in Federal Income Taxe and we have a President who thinks the top 1% who pay over 38% of the Income taxes aren't paying their fair share. Could this be true?
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Obviously, those who pay no income taxes have enough deductions so they don't have any taxable income.
 
pbrauer said:
Obviously, those who pay no income taxes have enough deductions so they don't have any taxable income.
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You're the one who says that the govt. has a revenue problem so that is where to go to get it after putting 25 million Americans unemployed or under employed back to work paying full taxes. That could have something to do with the economic results and the poor Obama ratings.
 
Conservative said:
You're the one who says that the govt. has a revenue problem so that is where to go to get it after putting 25 million Americans unemployed or under employed back to work paying full taxes. That could have something to do with the economic results and the poor Obama ratings.
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How is that relevant to what I posted?

Obviously, those who pay no income taxes have enough deductions so they don't have any taxable income.
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pbrauer said:
How is that relevant to what I posted?
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Get someone to explain it to you. If there is a revenue problem as you claim, where do you go to get more money? Certainly not those who aren't paying any taxes because that keeps you popular and you get their support thus keep your job
 
Conservative said:
If there is a revenue problem as you claim, where do you go to get more money?
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Obviously, you get the money from those who can afford it the most, not from those whocan afford it the least.
 
pbrauer said:
Obviously, you get the money from those who can afford it the most, not from those whocan afford it the least.
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Obviously you are an expert on what people can afford or not afford. You telling me that income earners cannot pay something to the Federal Govt. for the services they use?
 
Conservative said:
Obviously you are an expert on what people can afford or not afford. You telling me that income earners cannot pay something to the Federal Govt. for the services they use?
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Conservative that depends...if you have a family of 4 living off of two minimum wage jobs...14.00 an hour out of that comes other taxs....Social Security, unemployment and state tax, they still have to pay any all fees for license, etc...they still pay Sales taxs.....if you took any more off of them in Fed tax...we would just have to give it right back in another way.....theres an old saying that still applies...you cant get blood from a stone..
I do agree that everyone that can afford to pay should....but there really is those that have squat and cant...and they arent lazy scum either..
 
lpast said:
Conservative that depends...if you have a family of 4 living off of two minimum wage jobs...14.00 an hour out of that comes other taxs....Social Security, unemployment and state tax, they still have to pay any all fees for license, etc...they still pay Sales taxs.....if you took any more off of them in Fed tax...we would just have to give it right back in another way.....theres an old saying that still applies...you cant get blood from a stone..
I do agree that everyone that can afford to pay should....but there really is those that have squat and cant...and they arent lazy scum either..
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How many family of four are living off two minimum wage jobs? How do you determine who should pay and how much? Right now 47% of the current 139million labor force pay NOTHING which is over 65 MILLION Americans. think about what $100 a year would generate in revenue? Why is it that liberals always claim they know what someone else's expenses are and thus what they can afford. Sometimes the things people want get in the way of the things they need. Think about it
 
Conservative said:
Something to think about, liberals. Currently 47% of the American Income earners pay zero in Federal Income Taxes and we have a President who thinks the top 1% who pay over 38% of the Income taxes aren't paying their fair share. Could this be true?
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And half of that number is represented by people who are jobless for various reasons (disability, bad economy, etc) , and lets roughly another 10% of people who don't even earn enough money to support themselves by working. Something to think about "conservatives"
 
xpiher said:
And half of that number is represented by people who are jobless for various reasons (disability, bad economy, etc) , and lets roughly another 10% of people who don't even earn enough money to support themselves by working. Something to think about "conservatives"
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That simply isn't true, those are income earning Americans that are part of the current 139 million EMPLOYED. Again, you have no clue as to what someone else can afford as you think with your heart and not your brain.
 
xpiher said:
And half of that number is represented by people who are jobless for various reasons (disability, bad economy, etc) , and lets roughly another 10% of people who don't even earn enough money to support themselves by working. Something to think about "conservatives"
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That simply isn't true, those are income earning Americans that are part of the current 139 million EMPLOYED. Again, you have no clue as to what someone else can afford as you think with your heart and not your brain.
 
Conservative said:
That simply isn't true, those are income earning Americans that are part of the current 139 million EMPLOYED. Again, you have no clue as to what someone else can afford as you think with your heart and not your brain.
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You honestly think I let emotions dictate my reason? You honestly have no clue. I want a national sales tax with the exceptions on food, rent, and investments (land, housing, etc) and a lower tax on necessary utility services (electricity, water [not bottled], heating).

Even if your numbers only includes the employed then at least half of it is still made up of people who make poverty (or below) wages. Those people shouldn't pay taxes as they use nearly all their income on life necessities. The remaining half is probably because of **** that shouldn't exist such as earned income credits for having children, mortgage deductions, school loan deductions, charity deduction, etc
 
xpiher said:
And half of that number is represented by people who are jobless for various reasons (disability, bad economy, etc) , and lets roughly another 10% of people who don't even earn enough money to support themselves by working. Something to think about "conservatives"
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I don't know about half, but a lot of them are unemployed. A lot of others are full-time students or retired people living on fixed incomes.
 
xpiher said:
You honestly think I let emotions dictate my reason? You honestly have no clue. I want a national sales tax with the exceptions on food, rent, and investments (land, housing, etc) and a lower tax on necessary utility services (electricity, water [not bottled], heating).

Even if your numbers only includes the employed then at least half of it is still made up of people who make poverty (or below) wages. Those people shouldn't pay taxes as they use nearly all their income on life necessities. The remaining half is probably because of **** that shouldn't exist such as earned income credits for having children, mortgage deductions, school loan deductions, charity deduction, etc
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That isn't what you stated but instead

And half of that number is represented by people who are jobless for various reasons
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Half of what? The labor force in this country is 153 million with the rest retired, elderly, and children. Suggest you define life's necessities, computers, cell phones, flat screen TV's, IPods? How do you know what expenses people have but you have no problem buying the liberal rhetoric. Don't you think you should find out before making statements like the one above? How much revenue could be going to the govt. if those who earned income paid nothing more than $100 a year or $2 per week? Think instead of feeling.
 
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