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Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

AdamT said:
Good news for Romney, as neither Bachman nor Dean has a chance in hell of getting the nomination. Pawlenty might have pulled it off he had won, but now he's probably toast.
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Just sayin'.... :D
 
Where did Herman Cain and Gingrich finish, and does it really matter at this point?
 
rocket88 said:
Where did Herman Cain and Gingrich finish, and does it really matter at this point?
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It's a straw poll, they basically buy votes. None of it mattered in the first place.
 
rocket88 said:
Where did Herman Cain and Gingrich finish, and does it really matter at this point?
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Michele Bachmann: 4823

Ron Paul: 4671

Tim Pawlenty: 2293

Rick Santorum: 1657

Herman Cain: 1456

Mitt Romney: 567

Newt Gingrich: 385

Jon Huntsman: 69

Thad McCotter: 35
 
rocket88 said:
Where did Herman Cain and Gingrich finish, and does it really matter at this point?
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Cain finished fifth and Newt barely registered. Cain previously said that he thought he had to finish in the top three. He's now mulling his options.
 
Redress said:
For liberals like me, this is all great news. The top two in the poll where the two most fringe element loonies in the republican party.
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For assholes like me, it's even better news -- the Republican with the second-highest entertainment rating gained some ground. :D
 
Redress said:
Michele Bachmann: 4823

Ron Paul: 4671

Tim Pawlenty: 2293

Rick Santorum: 1657

Herman Cain: 1456

Mitt Romney: 567

Newt Gingrich: 385

Jon Huntsman: 69

Thad McCotter: 35
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Who's Thad McCotter?
 
Redress said:
Let me clarify for you. Paul always does well in informal polls. He took 5th with 9 % last time despite having only been to Iowa 3 or 4 times. He placed second in the Utah GOP convention poll. He also placed second in the Cobb county poll and the NTU. Third in the Illinois straw poll. And do on and so on. He then went on and won a total of 14 delegates in the primaries. His placing second today was pretty much expected and actually a disappointment in that he did not win. He did not exceed expectations.
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I get it, you refuse to believe that your precious media would tell you someone doesn't stand a chance unless that person was actually doomed to failure. Unfortunately, the media is not quite as altruistic as you assume.

What makes the Iowa Straw poll significant is the extent to which candidates vest resources in it, something that cannot be said for other such straw polls. Bachmann is at the top of the polls in Iowa and won the straw poll. Ron Paul most recently placed a close third in the polls and just barely lost the straw poll. This is a testament to something I noted when this began, Ron Paul's organization and fundraising is starting out from a much better position than the last time around.

Four years ago the campaign didn't know what to do with the large following it had amassed, but now Paul's campaign is putting that grassroots support to work early on and pushing hard. This also did beat expectations in the sense that some were saying a high turnout would be bad for Ron Paul, but now we see that high turnout was not actually that much of a threat because his organization was just able to get that much support.

It is a whole different ball-game this time around. Being able to get that many people turned out for a heavily-contested straw poll suggests Ron Paul is going to be able to rally far more people than he did before when the actual caucus takes place.
 
Demon of Light said:
I get it, you refuse to believe that your precious media would tell you someone doesn't stand a chance unless that person was actually doomed to failure. Unfortunately, the media is not quite as altruistic as you assume.

What makes the Iowa Straw poll significant is the extent to which candidates vest resources in it, something that cannot be said for other such straw polls. Bachmann is at the top of the polls in Iowa and won the straw poll. Ron Paul most recently placed a close third in the polls and just barely lost the straw poll. This is a testament to something I noted when this began, Ron Paul's organization and fundraising is starting out from a much better position than the last time around.

Four years ago the campaign didn't know what to do with the large following it had amassed, but now Paul's campaign is putting that grassroots support to work early on and pushing hard. This also did beat expectations in the sense that some were saying a high turnout would be bad for Ron Paul, but now we see that high turnout was not actually that much of a threat because his organization was just able to get that much support.

It is a whole different ball-game this time around. Being able to get that many people turned out for a heavily-contested straw poll suggests Ron Paul is going to be able to rally far more people than he did before when the actual caucus takes place.
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Yeah...the media told me that. That's it.....

Look: Paul is a fringe element lunatic who has zero chance, but keep telling yourself otherwise. It will be fun to watch.
 
Redress said:
Yeah...the media told me that. That's it.....

Look: Paul is a fringe element lunatic who has zero chance, but keep telling yourself otherwise. It will be fun to watch.
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Think Ron Paul does have pleasant common sense ideas and can appreciate why he has a following. But enough of his ideas are "out of the mainstream" that he isn't going to get the nomination.

That and the fact that every time I see/hear Ron Paul, the picture in my head is of the crotchety old man down the street hollering: "Hey you kids, get off of my lawn...!!!".




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Demon of Light said:
Source: USA Today

What is really impressive is that Paul was a mere 150 votes from winning himself. Unfortunately the fact he did not win gives the media an excuse to focus on the big win for Bachmann and the big loss for Pawlenty while completely glossing over the runner-up and the polls putting him third at 16% in Iowa.
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A lot of young folk seem to like Paul here, but I think some conservatives may want to help Obama by pushing Bachmann. I don't think Paul can win the general election either, but at least he has a few decent thoughts.
 
lpast said:
Her winning shows just how screwed up the republican party is....When obama ran and I did not vote for him...it was all about how unqualified he is...and now Bachman is qualified to be president? you gotta be kidding me....
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Do Republicans actually believe this nutbag can beat Obama? Really?
 
Boo Radley said:
A lot of young folk seem to like Paul here, but I think some conservatives may want to help Obama by pushing Bachmann. I don't think Paul can win the general election either, but at least he has a few decent thoughts.
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My opinion is neither will Bachmann. She won't get past the primary, let alone the general election....
 
It absolutely blows me away at the lack of a viable candidate from the republicans. I don't see any one of them that can beat Obama. And that's pretty amazing condidering how vulnerable he is.
 
Top Cat said:
It absolutely blows me away at the lack of a viable candidate from the republicans. I don't see any one of them that can beat Obama. And that's pretty amazing condidering how vulnerable he is.
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A pile of sand can beat Obama.
 
Ockham said:
A pile of sand can beat Obama.
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It may be comforting for you to think that, but it isn't likely true. Republicans will have to feild a reasonable candidate. Those who vote who are not so partisan will be leery of someone like Bachmann.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
And a pile of sand would likely beat Bachmann as well. I would personally vote for the sand as I feel it would do less damage than she would.
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Perhaps... and I feel the same about sand and Obama.
 
Boo Radley said:
Perhaps we should hope for better than sand or Bachmann? :coffeepap
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I was hoping that way 2 years and 9 months ago, alas I was disappointed.
 
Ockham said:
I was hoping that way 2 years and 9 months ago, alas I was disappointed.
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So was I. Obama was simply the best chocie we had. I would hope we would learn from this and work hard to get better choices for both parties. It isn't about agreeing on every issue, but in having mature, competent leadership. No nutters.
 
Boo Radley said:
It isn't about agreeing on every issue, but in having mature, competent leadership.
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you are absolutely (and syntactically) correct

obama has to go
 
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