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United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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Boo Radley said:
j, we've been down this road before, the vote was to let Bush decide. That's all it was.



They did abdicate their responsibility, pure and simple. You know you're in trouble when Bird is the only one standing up for the constitution. They did not vote to go to war, war was not declared after their vote. They left it up to Bush to decide.



Of course. I write the dems as much as I write the republicans. We should not be happy with either.



Where possible, I'll vote against them. You can't run a tea party nutter like King in iowa and expect my vote, true. But if there is a valid alternative, I will vote agianst them. I don't expect you to vote for a 9/11 nutter either, but I would think you would act as I do. Party should not be the issue, but what each elected leader does.




Truth is not making an excuse. And while I dispute your reading, their being cowardly is not excusing them. They should have done their damn job. They didn't. None of them who passed the buck should have kept their seat.
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Joe, when was the last time an actual 'declaration of war' was voted on in congress?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Joe, when was the last time an actual 'declaration of war' was voted on in congress?

j-mac
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It doesn't matter. Wrong is wrong no matter how long we've been wrong. And facts are the facts no matter how much some don't like the facts. The vote was not to go war, which would be a declaration of war, but to pass the buck off to the president. That was a wrong and congress should be held accountable for it. But Bush, and Bush alone, made the actual decision to go to war. And he should be held accountable for that.
 
j-mac said:
:lamo:lamo Of course not!...:lamo:2wave:


j-mac
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Poor tactic. Read on and address, if you can. Otherwise, this is little more than surrender on your part.
 
Bush's action, as well as the funding for these wars were voted for by Demo's in Congress. Regardless of your spin of the actual facts.
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Hate to burst your "actual facts" bubble, j-mac, but Democrats in the House voted AGAINST the resolution. Dems in the Senate narrowly voted for it. So, if it had been up to Democrats ONLY, the resolution would NOT have become law. You know, since both houses of Congress have to agree?
 
AdamT said:
Hate to burst your "actual facts" bubble, j-mac, but Democrats in the House voted AGAINST the resolution. Dems in the Senate narrowly voted for it. So, if it had been up to Democrats ONLY, the resolution would NOT have become law. You know, since both houses of Congress have to agree?
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The vote in the Senate which was under Democrat control was 77-23 for the resolution. Amazing that we are almost a decade later and people like you still are reliving 2002. Keep diverting from the thread topic and the Obama record.
 
Conservative said:
The vote in the Senate which was under Democrat control was 77-23 for the resolution. Amazing that we are almost a decade later and people like you still are reliving 2002. Keep diverting from the thread topic and the Obama record.
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Democrats in the Senate voted 29 Aye, 21 Nay.

In the House it was 82 Aye, 126 Nay.

Unfortunately we're still paying for the war, so it ain't exactly old news.
 
AdamT said:
Democrats in the Senate voted 29 Aye, 21 Nay.

In the House it was 82 Aye, 126 Nay.

Unfortunately we're still paying for the war, so it ain't exactly old news.
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Sounds like overwhelming democratic support to me. I guess that means republicans hold no responsibility at all now.

NOT.

:coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Sounds like overwhelming democratic support to me. I guess that means republicans hold no responsibility at all now.

NOT.

:coffeepap
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29 Democrat votes in a Senate controlled by Democrats who could have prevented the vote from happening is overwhelming supprot. Why is that so important now almost 10 years later? More diversion?
 
Conservative said:
29 Democrat votes in a Senate controlled by Democrats who could have prevented the vote from happening is overwhelming supprot. Why is that so important now almost 10 years later? More diversion?
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Oh I dunna know a few trillion dollars later........
 
Conservative said:
29 Democrat votes in a Senate controlled by Democrats who could have prevented the vote from happening is overwhelming supprot. Why is that so important now almost 10 years later? More diversion?
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What it is, specifically, is 58% support in one chamber, and majority opposition in the other chamber. In other words, if only Democrats were polled, the resolution would not have passed.

You should try to be a little less obvious with your revisionist history. Otherwise it just blows up in your face.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh I dunna know a few trillion dollars later........
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Guess the Treasury Dept didn't get the memo that it was TRILLIONS later. Bush had 5 trillion added to the debt in 8 years, Obama has added 4 trillion in less than 3
 
AdamT said:
What it is, specifically, is 58% support in one chamber, and majority opposition in the other chamber. In other words, if only Democrats were polled, the resolution would not have passed.

You should try to be a little less obvious with your revisionist history. Otherwise it just blows up in your face.
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I want to know why it matters 10 years later when that isn't even the thread topic. "Your" President has a record that isn't selling as evidenced by his JAR. All you can do is divert from that record. Obama was handed a AAA rating by GW Bush
 
Conservative said:
Guess the Treasury Dept didn't get the memo that it was TRILLIONS later. Bush had 5 trillion added to the debt in 8 years, Obama has added 4 trillion in less than 3
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Except, as always, you allocate one of Bush's trillions to Obama. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Except, as always, you allocate one of Bush's trillions to Obama. :lol:
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No, Bush was in office from October 1 to January 20 so how did he create a trillion dollars for Obama? Obama didn't have to spend the TARP money left him or the stimulus money or for that matter anything in the budget so it is amazing the liberal belief that Bush added a trillion dollars in 4 months. Just goes to show that many don't have a clue about the fiscal year of the U.S. In spite of the many times I have shown that to you, you don't understand either.
 
Subject: Question for all of you

If you can answer this correctly, you can answer the question on what action to take on raising the Federal debt ceiling. You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup and you have sewage up to your ceilings.

What do you do……raise the ceilings, or pump out the ****?
 
Conservative said:
Subject: Question for all of you

If you can answer this correctly, you can answer the question on what action to take on raising the Federal debt ceiling. You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup and you have sewage up to your ceilings.

What do you do……raise the ceilings, or pump out the ****?
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:lamo :lamo :lamo

You're right. Tea party thought has to go!!!!!!
 
Conservative said:
No, Bush was in office from October 1 to January 20 so how did he create a trillion dollars for Obama? Obama didn't have to spend the TARP money left him or the stimulus money or for that matter anything in the budget so it is amazing the liberal belief that Bush added a trillion dollars in 4 months. Just goes to show that many don't have a clue about the fiscal year of the U.S. In spite of the many times I have shown that to you, you don't understand either.
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As you've been told about a 100 times, Presidents formulate budgets, and create spending, for the NEXT year. Thus Obama was saddled with Bush's spending from 2008.
 
Conservative said:
Subject: Question for all of you

If you can answer this correctly, you can answer the question on what action to take on raising the Federal debt ceiling. You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup and you have sewage up to your ceilings.

What do you do……raise the ceilings, or pump out the ****?
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I suggest you hold your breath.
 
Conservative said:
Subject: Question for all of you

If you can answer this correctly, you can answer the question on what action to take on raising the Federal debt ceiling. You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup and you have sewage up to your ceilings.

What do you do……raise the ceilings, or pump out the ****?
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Close the friggen door, get on my laptop and make sure my subsidized “gubmet Federal flood insurance" is current. Nine out of ten times that’s what causes a sewer to backup like you described.:mrgreen:
 
donc said:
Close the friggen door, get on my laptop and make sure my subsidized “gubmet Federal flood insurance" is current. Nine out of ten times that’s what causes a sewer to backup like you described.:mrgreen:
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Eat enough of that gumment cheese and you can also have those sorts of backups. ;)
 
AdamT said:
Eat enough of that gumment cheese and you can also have those sorts of backups. ;)
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Ten four on that Adam.:mrgreen:Do you have the boat buttoned up...seeing as Irene looks like she is going to be paying you a visit.
 
donc said:
Ten four on that Adam.:mrgreen:Do you have the boat buttoned up...seeing as Irene looks like she is going to be paying you a visit.
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I'm holding off another day or so. They've moved the track east a couple times, so it's looking better for a miss. If we're still in the cone Wed. morning I'll have to move her farther inland.
 
shintao said:
The rightwing is racist in general and you can deny deny all you want dude. No president has ever faced the resentful animosity this black man has. Prove me wrong dude, because everybody else is onto the White boy crap being played in America. Maybe you are just slow, inexperienced, or a KKK member hiding in the closet.

But Fox News has repeatedly attacked Obama's religious faith and family, promoted questions about his birthplace, called him anti-American, accused him of racism, and used the tiniest of pretenses to vilify him.

Other people agree with me. Do whatever it takes to make Obama fail, has meaning dude. Take off your racist blinders and look past your cross on the lawn. And don't you lie to me dude. Don't even try it.
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Don't type angry! LOL

This is pretty funny stuff.
 
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