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United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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Polotick said:
Immelts appointment pissed me right off. I am not a liberal, for the 100th time. I am demonizing no one. Good corporate citizens? By sending jobs to China? By paying $0 in taxes?

Blaming Obama alone for the credit downgrade is just foolish. Both parties are equally responsible and you well know it. Partisan crap like that is sickening and a large part of what is wrong with this country.
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I blame Obama for the lack of leadership and all the broken promises. Obama loves being President but doesn't understand the responsibilities of the job. These are the Obama economic results that liberals want to ignore and these have been generated THIS YEAR, over 2 1/2 years after takin goffice.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
Conservative said:
Do you think that 47% of income earners not paying any FIT are paying their fair share? Why demonize others who are paying the most in taxes while ignoring those that pay zero?
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What's the reason they pay no FIT? Wasn't it your hero, President Bush, who knocked millions of taxpayers off the tax rolls? Back then conservatives heralded this, now all they can do is bitch about it - like you.
 
Polotick said:
Please. Are you really going to compare people living at or below the poverty line with wealthy corporations? What are they supposed to pay taxes with, forced labor, it's all most of them have.
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The poverty line in this country is much higher than the poverty line in other countries and to believe that people cannot afford something in the form of income taxes is ridiculous. That is the point, almost 70 million Americans are paying NOTHING in FIT yet those rich that liberals love to demonize are paying 38% of the taxes. That isn't their fair share according to liberals. You don't see a problem here?
 
pbrauer said:
What's the reason they pay no FIT? Wasn't it your hero, President Bush, who knocked millions of taxpayers off the tax rolls? Back then conservatives heralded this, now all they can do is bitch about it - like you.
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Again, you miss the point entirely although I doubt that is the case as you simply won't admit it. I don't think we have a revenue problem, you do. I don't care that 47% don't pay any FIT but you are showing the hypocrisy of a liberal. If you want revenue go after those not paying any FIT instead of those who pay 38% and then claim they aren't paying their fair share? And please don't confuse FIT with Corporate taxes which is another liberal strawman and misstatement.
 
Conservative said:
I blame Obama for the lack of leadership and all the broken promises. Obama loves being President but doesn't understand the responsibilities of the job. These are the Obama economic results that liberals want to ignore and these have been generated THIS YEAR, over 2 1/2 years after takin goffice.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
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And pray tell who stepped up with the great promise of leadership? There are no innocents in this.

I know most Americans are politically ignorant, but history will lay wide open that the credit downgrade was indeed a joint effort, the single bi-partisan thing that was actually completed. As it currently stands there is not one single person on the horizon that would get my vote for president. Not one.

The economy has been headed to hell for decades and nothing has been done about it. It is finally heading for the only logical conclusion there is, failure.

I am not pronouncing this American experiment DOA just yet, but life support is in order here. We spend trillions overseas trying to make the rest of the world just like us. Think about that. As an outsider watching recent events, where is any incentive to be just like us? That includes lip service in order to get our cash.
 
Conservative said:
The poverty line in this country is much higher than the poverty line in other countries and to believe that people cannot afford something in the form of income taxes is ridiculous. That is the point, almost 70 million Americans are paying NOTHING in FIT yet those rich that liberals love to demonize are paying 38% of the taxes. That isn't their fair share according to liberals. You don't see a problem here?
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I am disabled. My wife makes in excess of $40K and we are filing bankruptcy because of medical bills and we will surely be paying taxes this year. Your figures are misleading.
 
Polotick said:
And pray tell who stepped up with the great promise of leadership? There are no innocents in this.

I know most Americans are politically ignorant, but history will lay wide open that the credit downgrade was indeed a joint effort, the single bi-partisan thing that was actually completed. As it currently stands there is not one single person on the horizon that would get my vote for president. Not one.

The economy has been headed to hell for decades and nothing has been done about it. It is finally heading for the only logical conclusion there is, failure.

I am not pronouncing this American experiment DOA just yet, but life support is in order here. We spend trillions overseas trying to make the rest of the world just like us. Think about that. As an outsider watching recent events, where is any incentive to be just like us? That includes lip service in order to get our cash.
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You makes a few good points here especially with our foreign aid and getting nothing for it. I will still take this free enterprise, capitalistic economy over anything else in the world. The results speak for themselves. Liberalism is a cancer that cannot be allowed to destroy what made this country great. We need leadership now not class warfare and demonization of anyone who creates wealth. The pie isn't a specific size as it continues to grow when given the opportunity to do that. Liberals don't accept that and believe it is a zero sum game and one size. That is false.

The problem seems to be that liberals want equal outcome instead of equal opportunity. Our constitution doesn't guarantee equal outcome. In a free enterprise, capitalistic system some people will fail due to their own failure to accept responsibility. Those are the poster people for the liberals with an agenda to destroy this economy. Until liberals acccept the concept of personal responsibilty and consequences for failure they will continue this country on a downward trend. The entitlement mentality today is a disaster
 
Conservative said:
Again, you miss the point entirely although I doubt that is the case as you simply won't admit it. I don't think we have a revenue problem, you do. I don't care that 47% don't pay any FIT but you are showing the hypocrisy of a liberal. If you want revenue go after those not paying any FIT instead of those who pay 38% and then claim they aren't paying their fair share? And please don't confuse FIT with Corporate taxes which is another liberal strawman and misstatement.
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What's the reason they pay no FIT?
 
Polotick said:
I am disabled. My wife makes in excess of $40K and we are filing bankruptcy because of medical bills and we will surely be paying taxes this year. Your figures are misleading.
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This mnth I got about 3k in medical bils.
 
Polotick said:
I am disabled. My wife makes in excess of $40K and we are filing bankruptcy because of medical bills and we will surely be paying taxes this year. Your figures are misleading.
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So whose responsibilty is it for your failures? Sorry about your problem but why should the Federal govt. pay for your mistakes and failure to plan ahead? Have you tried local charities and your local community? What makes you think that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve your personal problem and do it effeciently? You seem to put faith in bureaucrats that generated the 14.5 trillion debt.
 
winston53660 said:
This mnth I got about 3k in medical bils.
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And of course none of those could have been prepared for years ago, right? Live for today and the hell with tomorrow is what far too many do. Planning for retirement and for unexpected healthcare expenses isn't on many agenda today. I employed thousands and offered healthcare for every employee, part or full time. It was a contributory program and picked up 80% of the cost. Participation rate was 50% because younger employees felt they were invincible. Sound familar to you?
 
Conservative said:
So whose responsibilty is it for your failures? Sorry about your problem but why should the Federal govt. pay for your mistakes and failure to plan ahead? Have you tried local charities and your local community? What makes you think that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve your personal problem and do it effeciently? You seem to put faith in bureaucrats that generated the 14.5 trillion debt.
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Life stomped the **** out of my savings. **** happens and for you to call them failures is insulting to a degree that I doubt you can comprehend. How is 3 incurable diseases a failure? How is a year and a half to jump through disability hoops that ate every dime I had a failure?

Oh, I tried the local route, I was told they had no funding, imagine that. Or did you mean the type of charities that require me to move to a homeless shelter? What I have put faith in is SS, which I have paid into for 46 years.

One more insult like the failure one and we will never converse again.
 
Conservative said:
And of course none of those could have been prepared for years ago, right? Live for today and the hell with tomorrow is what far too many do. Planning for retirement and for unexpected healthcare expenses isn't on many agenda today. I employed thousands and offered healthcare for every employee, part or full time. It was a contributory program and picked up 80% of the cost. Participation rate was 50% because younger employees felt they were invincible. Sound familar to you?
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Honestly I really don't know how one prepares for a debilitating congenital heart defect like isolated left ventricular non-compaction where the "cure" is a heart transplant. Even the very expensive high risk pool private insurance I have doesn't cover everything.
 
winston53660 said:
This mnth I got about 3k in medical bils.
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But according to some it is our fault that we don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in reserve to pay for that. Face it, we should just roll off of the travois into a snowbank and die.
 
Polotick said:
Life stomped the **** out of my savings. **** happens and for you to call them failures is insulting to a degree that I doubt you can comprehend. How is 3 incurable diseases a failure? How is a year and a half to jump through disability hoops that ate every dime I had a failure?

Oh, I tried the local route, I was told they had no funding, imagine that. Or did you mean the type of charities that require me to move to a homeless shelter? What I have put faith in is SS, which I have paid into for 46 years.

One more insult like the failure one and we will never converse again.
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As I pointed out before I am sorry for your personal situation but as i pointed out the entitlement mentality is the problem today for far too many. I will be 65 this year so have had my share of problems and heartbreak. NOT ONCE did I ever expect the govt. to bail me out. I learned personal responsibility growing up. Seems the govt. has creates that entitlement mentality. You relied on SS for your retirement? Was that the intent of SS or was it supposed to be a supplement to SS? Think about it. The sooner people realize that the Federal Govt. isn't the answer the sooner we actually solve social problems because that is the role of the state and local communities.

As for trying the local route, I contributed thousands yearly to my church and no for a fact that no one has been turned down for help.
 
Conservative said:
As I pointed out before I am sorry for your personal situation but as i pointed out the entitlement mentality is the problem today for far too many. I will be 65 this year so have had my share of problems and heartbreak. NOT ONCE did I ever expect the govt. to bail me out. I learned personal responsibility growing up. Seems the govt. has creates that entitlement mentality. You relied on SS for your retirement? Was that the intent of SS or was it supposed to be a supplement to SS? Think about it. The sooner people realize that the Federal Govt. isn't the answer the sooner we actually solve social problems because that is the role of the state and local communities.

As for trying the local route, I contributed thousands yearly to my church and no for a fact that no one has been turned down for help.
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When I grow up I want to be just as special as you are. Now **** off.
 
winston53660 said:
Honestly I really don't know how one prepares for a debilitating congenital heart defect like isolated left ventricular non-compaction where the "cure" is a heart transplant. Even the very expensive high risk pool private insurance I have doesn't cover everything.
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Sorry for your problem, Winston, but to put faith in the Federal Govt. solving that problem for you is being very naive and ignoring history. Social engineering was never the role of the Federal Govt. yet today that seems to be what most people expect. That is how the Federal govt. created a 14.5 trillion dollar debt and maintained its power over people like you.
 
Polotick said:
When I grow up I want to be just as special as you are. Now **** off.
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Thanks, sorry to confuse you with facts, logic, and common sense. Not what you wanted to hear but that is reality
 
Conservative said:
Sorry for your problem, Winston, but to put faith in the Federal Govt. solving that problem for you is being very naive and ignoring history.
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I'm grateful for the research the National Institues of Health has supported over the years. Through their programs supported by TAX dollars a better understanding of how the heart works and development of drug regimes that have saved millions of lives.

I am not the one ignoring history.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm grateful for the research the National Institues of Health has supported over the years. Through their programs supported by TAX dollars a better understanding of how the heart works and development of drug regimes that have saved millions of lives.

I am not the one ignoring history.
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Apparently yes you are because results don't really matter on economic issues. Most of the healthcare enhancements have come from the private for profit businesses which is made this country great. Amazing how you dismiss the 14.5 trillion debt and blame it on the 1.4 trillion dollar war and people keeping more of their money. Amazing how much confidence you have for a Federal govt. that has created this debt and never solved a social problem
 
winston53660 said:
I'm grateful for the research the National Institues of Health has supported over the years. Through their programs supported by TAX dollars a better understanding of how the heart works and development of drug regimes that have saved millions of lives.

I am not the one ignoring history.
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You're wasting your breath. People who are interested in placing blame are in no way interested in facts, or even reality.
 
Polotick said:
You're wasting your breath. People who are interested in placing blame are in no way interested in facts, or even reality.
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The guy is a walking cliche.
 
Polotick said:
You're wasting your breath. People who are interested in placing blame are in no way interested in facts, or even reality.
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Facts? I have seen no facts from you. Refute these

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
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