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Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

I don't get why people are selling this time - I got it (but thought it was ill advised) in 2008. But now?

You know - in 2008, if people who sold just kep their stocks and bits - they'd be fine right now.
 
Let's see, I can think of a few liberal successes. Ending slavery, repeal of Jim Crow, desegration, 40 hour work week, weekends, end of child labor, the minimum wage, equal rights for women, suffrage for women, near universal health care, cutting the poverty rate in half due to Great Society programs, WPA programs like the Hoover Dam, the clean air and water acts ... and that's off the top of my head.

What I really can't come up with are any conservative accomplishments.

There you go again, a lot of misinformation in your posts. Do some research for a change. Civil rights was passed by Republicans, not Democrats. Those so called liberal success stories contributed greatly to the 14.5 trillion dollar debt today that your parents are paying for.

By the way, thought Lincoln ended slavery with the civil war and Lincoln was a Republican. Aw, that liberal education system today
 
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The public option couldn't be passed by Democrats, not a Republican filibuster.

Nonsense. A majority of Democrats supported the public option. They ditched it because it was going to prevent them from getting the few Republicans they needed to pass the overall bill.

The stimulus received very little Republican support so Obama got what he wanted and the Bush tax cuts were extended by a lame duck Congress controlled by Democrats. Stop embarrrassing yourself.

Again, you are fundamentally dishonest. Democrats could not pass the stimulus bill without Republican support in the Senate, because of course Republicans filibuster everything. Accordingly, those measly three votes they needed wielded a tremendous amount of power to shape the bill.
 
Nonsense. A majority of Democrats supported the public option. They ditched it because it was going to prevent them from getting the few Republicans they needed to pass the overall bill.



Again, you are fundamentally dishonest. Democrats could not pass the stimulus bill without Republican support in the Senate, because of course Republicans filibuster everything. Accordingly, those measly three votes they needed wielded a tremendous amount of power to shape the bill.

Nice revisionist history which you do often. Your opinions are hardly fact. GW Bush never had even close to the numbers of Republicans that Obama had Democrats and he has been blamed for everything. Obama had a filibuster proof Congress for almost a year and overwhelming control from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011. He implemented terrible legislation that wasn't leftwing enough for you, not because of Republicans but because of Democrats. Get over the partisan bs and get the facts.
 
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Nonsense. A majority of Democrats supported the public option. They ditched it because it was going to prevent them from getting the few Republicans they needed to pass the overall bill.



Again, you are fundamentally dishonest. Democrats could not pass the stimulus bill without Republican support in the Senate, because of course Republicans filibuster everything. Accordingly, those measly three votes they needed wielded a tremendous amount of power to shape the bill.

Well don't say it as if Democrats never filibuster ****
 
There you go again, a lot of misinformation in your posts. Do some research for a change. Civil rights was passed by Republicans, not Democrats. Those so called liberal success stories contributed greatly to the 14.5 trillion dollar debt today that your parents are paying for.

By the way, thought Lincoln ended slavery with the civil war and Lincoln was a Republican. Aw, that liberal education system today

Oh Lord, again with the dishonesty. We weren't talking about Democratic and Republican successes -- we were talkinga about liberal versus conservative successes. Conservatives, vocally represented by Barry Goldwater, aggressively opposed the Civil Rights Act. Republicans were not always such knee-jerk conservatives.
 
Well don't say it as if Democrats never filibuster ****

Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.
 
Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.

Its embarassing that anyone does it - I'd prefer they do away with it completely.
 
Its embarassing that anyone does it - I'd prefer they do away with it completely.

It served a function, historically. It prevented a minority party from getting running over when it's most cherished priorities were threatened. But it's completely unworkable if the minority insists on filibustering absolutely everything in lieu of negotiating to get some of what they want. I think what they should do is limit the minority party to maybe five or 10 filibusters per calendar year, which is about how often they were used before the Civil Rights Act (when their use jumped about 10 fold).
 
Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.

I would like to know exactly what ratio is acceptable for filibusters Republican : Democrat and please state why the 1950's and 1960's filibuster COMBINED sum is to be considered for a baseline ...
 
I would like to know exactly what ratio is acceptable for filibusters Republican : Democrat and please state why the 1950's and 1960's filibuster COMBINED sum is to be considered for a baseline ...

There shouldn't be any distinction between Democrat/Republican. The limit should apply to whichever party is in the minority. I think the 50s and 60s is a good baseline because that was a time before the filibuster started to be abused. You could instead use the 70-90s and pick a limit in the 20-40 range, which was about average before the republicans started filibustering well over 100 bills every year.
 
There shouldn't be any distinction between Democrat/Republican. The limit should apply to whichever party is in the minority. I think the 50s and 60s is a good baseline because that was a time before the filibuster started to be abused. You could instead use the 70-90s and pick a limit in the 20-40 range, which was about average before the republicans started filibustering well over 100 bills every year.

OK so what is acceptable to you as a ratio of filibuster minority : majority ? Exactly how many filibusters happened between January 1, 1950 and December 31, 1969 ? Could you also provide a ratio of both Dem/Rep and minority/majority so as to be able to correctly assess your baseline?
 
OK so what is acceptable to you as a ratio of filibuster minority : majority ? Exactly how many filibusters happened between January 1, 1950 and December 31, 1969 ? Could you also provide a ratio of both Dem/Rep and minority/majority so as to be able to correctly assess your baseline?

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. The majority party doesn't filibuster.
 
It served a function, historically. It prevented a minority party from getting running over when it's most cherished priorities were threatened. But it's completely unworkable if the minority insists on filibustering absolutely everything in lieu of negotiating to get some of what they want. I think what they should do is limit the minority party to maybe five or 10 filibusters per calendar year, which is about how often they were used before the Civil Rights Act (when their use jumped about 10 fold).

Well - in my view that's what voting is for, to determined if things pass or not.

I don't support stall tactics - I think it's immature. I also don't support bribery and festooned christmas trees as bills, either.

I guess I don't approve of much that's a staple of congressional action.
 
I would like to know exactly what ratio is acceptable for filibusters Republican : Democrat and please state why the 1950's and 1960's filibuster COMBINED sum is to be considered for a baseline ...

Baseline??? :lamo
 
Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.

Maybe Democrats should win more elections.
 
we should be having an honest discussion about what can be done, what the options are, and what has worked in the past

the honest discussion in new york:

"we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

"the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

"the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

"an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

"not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

"the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

"new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

"what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

"this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

"the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

"we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

"what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

"and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

"at the heart of this state is business"

"we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

"we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

"westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

"it has to end, it has to end this year"

"we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

"put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

"we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

any honest person would expect their government to do the same instead engage in partisan politics and drag us all down

is the gub engaging in partisanship and dragging folks down?

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

Andrew Cuomo approval sky-high, new poll suggests - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com
 
the honest discussion in new york:

"we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

"the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

"the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

"an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

"not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

"the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

"new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

"what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

"this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

"the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

"we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

"what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

"and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

"at the heart of this state is business"

"we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

"we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

"westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

"it has to end, it has to end this year"

"we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

"put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

"we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo



is the gub engaging in partisanship and dragging folks down?

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

Andrew Cuomo approval sky-high, new poll suggests - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

Great post, bet Adam ignores it along with the rest of the Obama followers
 
Personally I think the more filibusters the better. The less Congress does the better off we are.
 
There shouldn't be any distinction between Democrat/Republican. The limit should apply to whichever party is in the minority. I think the 50s and 60s is a good baseline because that was a time before the filibuster started to be abused. You could instead use the 70-90s and pick a limit in the 20-40 range, which was about average before the republicans started filibustering well over 100 bills every year.

I wonder if you understand what this means and why the Tea Party elected so many in the 2010 elections.

U.S. loses AAA credit rating from S&P - Yahoo! News
 
It's hardly irrelevant, particularly when the minority party in the Senate is filibustering everything

and reaping massive rewards for so doing---most house seats since 1938, most state reps and chambers in history, 11 gubs, 6 senators...

instead of whining ineffectually about how he's being filibustered, a REAL president MAKES THE OTHER SIDE PAY

hello

The GOP has been successful in killing the public option

you don't know what you're talking about

Update: List of Dem Senators Who Don't Support the Public Option | CarlBentham's Blog

the budget chair killed it

preventing the repeal of Bush's top tax cuts

44 dem senators voted for the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for the rich and everyone else

Senate passes package extending Bush tax cuts - politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

downstairs, it was 143 to 112, house leadership split

preventing the extension of unemployment benefits

no, 36 of 41 republicans in the senate and 143 of 179 in pelosi's place are the majority of the reason the benefits were in fact extended

and preventing a real debate about what we should do about the deficit and tax reform

LOL!

where ya been?
 
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and reaping massive rewards for so doing---most house seats since 1938, most state reps and chambers in history, 11 gubs, 6 senators...

instead of whining ineffectually about how he's being filibustered, a REAL president MAKES THE OTHER SIDE PAY

hello



you don't know what you're talking about

Update: List of Dem Senators Who Don't Support the Public Option | CarlBentham's Blog

the budget chair killed it



44 dem senators voted for the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for the rich and everyone else

Senate passes package extending Bush tax cuts - politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

downstairs, it was 143 to 112, house leadership split



no, 36 of 41 republicans in the senate and 143 of 179 in pelosi's place are the majority of the reason the benefits were in fact extended



LOL!

where ya been?

Now there you go confusing Adam with actual links and facts. Wonder if he will ever realize that the liberal elite are making a fool out of him and are laughing their asses off at him
 
A majority of Democrats supported the public option. They ditched it because it was going to prevent them from getting the few Republicans they needed to pass the overall bill.

the overall bill passed with zero republican votes

Democrats could not pass the stimulus bill without Republican support in the Senate

if you count benedict arlen, yes

those measly three votes they needed wielded a tremendous amount of power to shape the bill

benedict arlen specter wielded a tremendous amount of power?

LOL!

in february of 09?

do go on
 
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