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And how do you know that? you continue to buy the rhetoric from an Administration that has yet to tell the truth but they do bs a lot. What is it about this liberal ideology that creates such loyalty? The numbers refute everything you say yet you keep falling back on the Obama rhetoric. As has been proven over time you cannot spend rhetoric, you spead real numbers. there is no proof whatsoever that things would have been worse especially the way they spent the money.

Unemployment Plus Discouraged workers by month

2011 14856 14693 14463 14736 14736 15069 15050

Total U-6 unemployment 16.1% or over 24.6 million Americans

This isn't about one party vs the other. This is about a recession affecting all Americans. Instead of debating party principle vs party principle, we should be having an honest discussion about what can be done, what the options are, and what has worked in the past. We should judge results honestly... and any honest person would expect their government to do the same instead engage in partisan politics and drag us all down.
 
This isn't about one party vs the other. This is about a recession affecting all Americans. Instead of debating party principle vs party principle, we should be having an honest discussion about what can be done, what the options are, and what has worked in the past. We should judge results honestly... and any honest person would expect their government to do the same instead engage in partisan politics and drag us all down.

Don't be ridiculous. ;)
 
This isn't about one party vs the other. This is about a recession affecting all Americans. Instead of debating party principle vs party principle, we should be having an honest discussion about what can be done, what the options are, and what has worked in the past. We should judge results honestly... and any honest person would expect their government to do the same instead engage in partisan politics and drag us all down.

Hard to do when you have a arrogant President in the WH implementing or trying to implement a far left agenda into a private sector economy. I expect honesty from my govt. and am getting none from this govt. Obama has been a disaster and the results show it. Obama has done his best to destroy the private sector and the private sector is paying him back by holding their case. The way out of this is 16 months from now and getting this incompetent President out of office.
 
Hard to do when you have a arrogant President in the WH implementing or trying to implement a far left agenda into a private sector economy. I expect honesty from my govt. and am getting none from this govt. Obama has been a disaster and the results show it. Obama has done his best to destroy the private sector and the private sector is paying him back by holding their case. The way out of this is 16 months from now and getting this incompetent President out of office.

In one ear and out the other...

You are a conservative. You are so conservative, you call yourself Conservative. I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge a liberal or democrat for doing anything successful except offending you and destroying the country.... That's your own bias, and that kind of bias is destroying this country. Why can't you think for yourself?
 
In one ear and out the other...

You are a conservative. You are so conservative, you call yourself Conservative. I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge a liberal or democrat for doing anything successful except offending you and destroying the country.... That's your own bias, and that kind of bias is destroying this country. Why can't you think for yourself?

I will acknowledge it when I see it. I grew up a liberal and a Democrat but working changed that. So show me those liberal successes that I seem to be missing
 
I will acknowledge it when I see it. I grew up a liberal and a Democrat but working changed that. So show me those liberal successes that I seem to be missing

lol... like I said, you're so biased you can't see the other side has good points too. I wouldn't consider you to think independently because of that.
 
lol... like I said, you're so biased you can't see the other side has good points too. I wouldn't consider you to think independently because of that.

If there are successful results you shouldn't have any problems pointing them out. You cannot spend rhetoric and right now this country is in worse shape than when Obama took office. Fewer people working, higher unemployment, greater debt, and very weak economic growth. Sorry, but those are the facts
 
If there are successful results you shouldn't have any problems pointing them out. You cannot spend rhetoric and right now this country is in worse shape than when Obama took office. Fewer people working, higher unemployment, greater debt, and very weak economic growth. Sorry, but those are the facts

A lot of times the parties do great things when they work together... it's difficult to give any one party full credit for anything that goes great or horrible, because the three branches are not usually controlled by one party. As long as you keep pretending one party is all good and the other is all bad, nothing will get done. Your side will just clamor to claim responsibility for the good stuff, and pin all the bad stuff on dems. I am smarter than that. It doesn't always work that way... You aren't smart enough or independent minded enough to know that yourself.
 
A lot of times the parties do great things when they work together... it's difficult to give any one party full credit for anything that goes great or horrible, because the three branches are not usually controlled by one party. As long as you keep pretending one party is all good and the other is all bad, nothing will get done. Your side will just clamor to claim responsibility for the good stuff, and pin all the bad stuff on dems. I am smarter than that. It doesn't always work that way... You aren't smart enough or independent minded enough to know that yourself.

We are smart enough to see that what has been put out there for the past three years is not working....Things are getting worse.

If the US is to be a powerhouse again, we need real leadership, we have none of that now in either party.

j-mac
 
This country has massive problems that need addressed. I simply want those issues addressed and addressed practically... addressed at all. If any party has the ****ing guts to end the partisan squabble and take action for me, I'll stand with that party. I am an American before I am a republican, a democrat, or anything else.
 
A lot of times the parties do great things when they work together... it's difficult to give any one party full credit for anything that goes great or horrible, because the three branches are not usually controlled by one party. As long as you keep pretending one party is all good and the other is all bad, nothing will get done. Your side will just clamor to claim responsibility for the good stuff, and pin all the bad stuff on dems. I am smarter than that. It doesn't always work that way... You aren't smart enough or independent minded enough to know that yourself.

The problem is most of the results we are seeing today were generated by one party rule. Democrats controlled the legislative process and purse strings since January 2007. Now they control two parts of the govt. and has rejected GOP budgets and legislation. I am still waiting for those good results from you that you claim I should give liberals credit for.
 
This country has massive problems that need addressed. I simply want those issues addressed and addressed practically... addressed at all. If any party has the ****ing guts to end the partisan squabble and take action for me, I'll stand with that party. I am an American before I am a republican, a democrat, or anything else.

How does the country get better by promoting class warfare in demonizing individual wealth creation?
 
The problem is most of the results we are seeing today were generated by one party rule. Democrats controlled the legislative process and purse strings since January 2007. Now they control two parts of the govt. and has rejected GOP budgets and legislation. I am still waiting for those good results from you that you claim I should give liberals credit for.

And the GOP had full control of this country for much longer.... The GOP still has a lot of weight to throw around with Boehner and the TP. Don't try to pretend otherwise.
 
And the GOP had full control of this country for much longer.... The GOP still has a lot of weight to throw around with Boehner and the TP. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

Not nearly enough...One half of one third of government is really irrelevant. The current crop of demo's see to that everyday with their allies in the MSM.

j-mac
 
And the GOP had full control of this country for much longer.... The GOP still has a lot of weight to throw around with Boehner and the TP. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

That simply isn't true, we had a divided govt. from 2001-2001 and again in 2007-2008 and even when the GOP had control it was never by the numbers that Democrats had from 2007-2010. GOP is exercising the control of the House it was given in the 2010 elections when it was charged with cutting spending.

How do you justify spending 3.7 trillion dollars a year and generating the results we are seeing today. The last Bush budget not influenced by TARP or the Stimulus was 3 trillion dollars. 3.7 Trillion dollars a year is outrageous.
 
The problem is most of the results we are seeing today were generated by one party rule. Democrats controlled the legislative process and purse strings since January 2007. Now they control two parts of the govt. and has rejected GOP budgets and legislation. I am still waiting for those good results from you that you claim I should give liberals credit for.

No, the problems have been created in a very bi-partisan manner.
 
If Romeny gets elected and a second recession is in full swing, he will probably do another stimulus and invest in infrastructure... ya know, all that **** Obama proposed doing before. If it has to be done, he will do it. He knows more about economics than most people in the TP do right now, and I doubt he would waste time. The only difference will be when Romney does, the GOP won't throw as big of a fit cause that's how DC works. Obama isn't an effective leader in many ways. IDK if Romney is, but the GOP has shown in the past that they'll throw away their hardline stances, even give somebody a pass on saying the constitution is just a piece of paper, if it's fellow GOPer in the White House.
 
From what your own site seems to show is at best a flat line....You think that is good?

j-mac

I didn't say it was good or bad. He asked when the recession started, implying, I guess, that there was never a recession because of the unadjusted GDP numbers.
 
If Romeny gets elected and a second recession is in full swing, he will probably do another stimulus and invest in infrastructure... ya know, all that **** Obama proposed doing before. If it has to be done, he will do it. He knows more about economics than most people in the TP do right now, and I doubt he would waste time. The only difference will be when Romney does, the GOP won't throw as big of a fit cause that's how DC works. Obama isn't an effective leader in many ways. IDK if Romney is, but the GOP has shown in the past that they'll throw away their hardline stances, even give somebody a pass on saying the constitution is just a piece of paper, if it's fellow GOPer in the White House.

Look, there was no problem with implementing a stimulus program to get us out of recession but the Obama stimulus didn't stimulate anything except higher debt and greater unemployment. Please provide me with any successes generated by liberal economics? Romney will eliminate needless red tape regulations from the NLRB, OSHA, and the EPA, grant waivers to every state for Obama care, and initiate greater incentives for the private sector. That is what is needed for a private sector economy, not Obamanomics
 
Not nearly enough...One half of one third of government is really irrelevant. The current crop of demo's see to that everyday with their allies in the MSM.

j-mac

It's hardly irrelevant, particularly when the minority party in the Senate is filibustering everything. The GOP has been successful in killing the public option, scaling back stimulus, preventing the repeal of Bush's top tax cuts, preventing the elimination of tax loopholes, preventing the extension of unemployment benefits, and preventing a real debate about what we should do about the deficit and tax reform.
 
Look, there was no problem with implementing a stimulus program to get us out of recession but the Obama stimulus didn't stimulate anything except higher debt and greater unemployment. Please provide me with any successes generated by liberal economics? Romney will eliminate needless red tape regulations from the NLRB, OSHA, and the EPA, grant waivers to every state for Obama care, and initiate greater incentives for the private sector. That is what is needed for a private sector economy, not Obamanomics

Let's see, I can think of a few liberal successes. Ending slavery, repeal of Jim Crow, desegration, 40 hour work week, weekends, end of child labor, the minimum wage, equal rights for women, suffrage for women, near universal health care, cutting the poverty rate in half due to Great Society programs, WPA programs like the Hoover Dam, the clean air and water acts ... and that's off the top of my head.

What I really can't come up with are any conservative accomplishments.
 
We should have instituted a massive government jobs program that got people working improving our infrastructure 2 years ago, and the stimulus should have been more spending and less tax cuts. The deficit is a problem, but solving this recession quickly is going to cost us money. People need to realize that.

They already collect enough in user taxes to pay for infrastructure, the problem is that the spend it on "pie in the sky" high speed rail and other green energy road projects, instead of maintaining current infrastructure.

The worst offenders of this are large cities, which tend to spend a large percentage (sometimes as much as 50%) of highway/road funds on mass transit systems, which serve less than 10% of the city's population.

Having them spend more money won't solve a thing, if they can't spend their highway/road money correctly now.
 
It's hardly irrelevant, particularly when the minority party in the Senate is filibustering everything. The GOP has been successful in killing the public option, scaling back stimulus, preventing the repeal of Bush's top tax cuts, preventing the elimination of tax loopholes, preventing the extension of unemployment benefits, and preventing a real debate about what we should do about the deficit and tax reform.

There you go again, misinformation if not a downright lie. The public option couldn't be passed by Democrats, not a Republican filibuster. The stimulus received very little Republican support so Obama got what he wanted and the Bush tax cuts were extended by a lame duck Congress controlled by Democrats. Stop embarrrassing yourself.
 
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