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U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

Funny you guys bring this stuff up.

Bread and circuses, baby.

Do you guys REALLY want a bunch of poor people sitting in their sweltering ****holes with absolutely NOTHING to do but think about their situations?

Things to do other than sitting in a sweltering ****hole thinking about their situations:

-Help out family.
-Help elderly people in the community.
-Volunteer
-Join a volunteer fire department.
-Help out at a hospital.
-Go to the library and read books.
-Go to school.
-Look for a job.
 
Things to do other than sitting in a sweltering ****hole thinking about their situations:

-Help out family.
-Help elderly people in the community.
-Volunteer
-Join a volunteer fire department.
-Help out at a hospital.
-Go to the library and read books.
-Go to school.
-Look for a job.

No one's stopping you....
 
Things to do other than sitting in a sweltering ****hole thinking about their situations:

-Help out family.
-Help elderly people in the community.
-Volunteer
-Join a volunteer fire department.
-Help out at a hospital.
-Go to the library and read books.
-Go to school.
-Look for a job.

And when they're exhausted and still don't have a job, I guess they can still read.

The point is, the quality of life stuff that keeps being referred to represents a pittance in our consumer society. Most of the stuff on these lists can be, and usually is, purchased used for under a hundred dollars TOTAL. Two hundred tops. Maybe equal to a weeks worth of food, providing YEARS of entertainment/education/communication.

Computers and cell phones? Pretty much in the realm of necessities in todays society. Few poor people have high dollar gaming pc's. The cost of a cell phone is roughly equivalent to a home phone and provides far more utility. If you buy a $300 pc and have it for five years, that's $5 a month. Doesn't seem like that would provide better utility if spent elsewhere.

And air conditioning in some areas is as critical to living as heat is in other areas.

Its just a non argument that IS class warfare, as it presents the have nots as haves because they "have" a couple hundred dollars worth of crap. In their rented house.
 
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and as technology increases - however, that does not alter the fact that we do not currently drill our west and east coasts, and have limited drilling in Alaska. We have the largest energy reserves in the world and we are stupid not to tap them.

You still don't get that no matter how much you produce, when consumption is even higher the price continues to go up. We are producing more oil than in the last decade. Has it helped the price at the pump go down? :sun
 
More nonsense with nothing to support it. What most americans think poverty is has nothing to do with what poverty is, and your link is full of lies. More than 1 in 5 children in the US are poor. These poor children cannot eat their cable or their air conditioning.

And again you claim that there's a difference in the way that the OECD calculates it's stats, but once again, you got nothing to back it up with. Repeating lies does not make the lies true

Indeed, you are correct.

"The share of residents in poverty climbed to 14.3 percent in 2009, the highest level recorded since 1994. The rise was steepest for children, with one in five affected, the bureau said.

The report provides the most detailed picture yet of the impact of the recession and unemployment on incomes, especially at the bottom of the scale. It also indicated that the temporary increases in aid provided in last year’s stimulus bill eased the burdens on millions of families.

For a single adult in 2009, the poverty line was $10,830 in pretax cash income; for a family of four, $22,050."

Recession Raises Poverty Rate to a 15-Year High - NYTimes.com

If a family of four living on $22,050 is considered having it made, what the hell do the rich people have to bitch about? They get on average, $58,000 just in tax cuts each year!!!
 
Indeed, you are correct.

"The share of residents in poverty climbed to 14.3 percent in 2009, the highest level recorded since 1994. The rise was steepest for children, with one in five affected, the bureau said.

The report provides the most detailed picture yet of the impact of the recession and unemployment on incomes, especially at the bottom of the scale. It also indicated that the temporary increases in aid provided in last year’s stimulus bill eased the burdens on millions of families.

For a single adult in 2009, the poverty line was $10,830 in pretax cash income; for a family of four, $22,050."

Recession Raises Poverty Rate to a 15-Year High - NYTimes.com

If a family of four living on $22,050 is considered having it made, what the hell do the rich people have to bitch about? They get on average, $58,000 just in tax cuts each year!!!

22k a year, hell, that's plenty to provide healthcare and an education, braces. What the hell are they complaining about.

All they need to do is get one of those millions of high paying jobs businesses are unable to fill and they can be rich too! Everybody can be rich, if they just work hard. Just look. Nobody who works hard is poor. All poor people are lazy, by definition. If they weren't, they'd be rich too!

Just look at all those people working 14 hours a day 7 days a week in Chinese factories. Every one a millionaire! Rolling in luxury.
 
If you buy a $300 pc and have it for five years, that's $5 a month.

LOL!

how many of the 16.7 million americans below the poverty line who own a personal computer went that route?

And air conditioning in some areas is as critical to living as heat is in other areas.

absolutely true, a certain number of days per year

but even in arizona, there are far more days when air conditioning is more a matter of comfort than survival
 
22k a year, hell, that's plenty to provide healthcare and an education, braces. What the hell are they complaining about.

All they need to do is get one of those millions of high paying jobs businesses are unable to fill and they can be rich too! Everybody can be rich, if they just work hard. Just look. Nobody who works hard is poor. All poor people are lazy, by definition. If they weren't, they'd be rich too!

Just look at all those people working 14 hours a day 7 days a week in Chinese factories. Every one a millionaire! Rolling in luxury.



Do people even realize this is what they sound like?
 
Do people even realize this is what they sound like?

Yes, they just don't care. What they care about is winning an argument on the internet. The desire to "win" no matter the cost is a form of pschopathy. Just look at Charlie Sheen
 
Yes, they just don't care. What they care about is winning an argument on the internet. The desire to "win" no matter the cost is a form of pschopathy. Just look at Charlie Sheen


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The Amygdala Strain: Right-Wing Teabaggery as Psychological Pandemic « beeryblog

Have you ever heard a teabagger talk and wondered what kind of infection could cause the human brain to suffer so much reason-bleed?

When the debate was raging about whether the feds should rescue the auto industry, afflicted teabagger types argued that President Obama wanted to “bail out” car makers because he wanted to take over Detroit’s decision-making and run the car companies himself.

At the time, I asked myself what kind of grassy knoller could think that Barack Obama ran for President of the United States so he could run car companies. Who would run for an office the attainment of which would render him the most powerful human being on the planet and then, with the world’s most potent military and a globe full of fans behind him, decide that he’d like to spend his time on Pennsylvania Avenue picking colors for the Ford Focus? This notion is insane.

More recently I was wondering how much differently my brain would have to be wired for me to believe that climate change is a progressive conspiracy the aim of which is to establish global socialist hegemony. The number of implausible clandestine folds in that galactic accordion of intrigue would be staggering—and yet there are tens of millions of stooges who believe it.

Around the time that George W. Bush was appointed president, I began to change my view of Republicanism. Whereas I have never agreed with overarching Republican policy objectives, there was a time when I at least regarded conservatives as serious people with serious arguments they brought to bear.

But it began to occur to me with the ascendency of a barefaced buffoon to the apex of right-wing politics that maybe conservatism was not just a political disposition. And as George W. Bush’s corporate-Jesus coalition evolved into a throng that could call Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann its own, Republicanism completed its transition from political ideology into psychological disorder.

Symptoms of Amygdala Syndrome
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LOL!

how many of the 16.7 million americans below the poverty line who own a personal computer went that route?l

Yes you can believe that computers are a luxury product. On the other hand you can see poverty in the developed as lack of social, intellectual, proffessional and political opportunities compared to the rest of the population.

Take for example lack of a computer. Then you miss out socially because much social interaction is through internet both keeping in contact with friends and gaining new. Also political anything from voicing your opinion in new forums like debatepolitics to get information on upcoming old style forums like political rallies. Internet is also very usefuell proffessionally that for finding new jobs internet can be a very vital source, also if you want to do extra job from home or for kids do their homework. Intellatcual both from getting a better understanding of the world, gaining free acsess to news but also gain vital knowledge for your existing or new job.

Same goes with lack of a car. Escpecially in the places lacking a functional public transport system. Anything from not able to gain a job because their is no way to commute to the work without a car to not be able to let kids to particapate in the pewee baseball team.

The list goes on with "luxury products" that is more or less vital both then it comes to particapate and have a place in society. But also if you want to improve your carrier and position in society.
 
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