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1) Nobody is saying that corporations should pay less, only that it wouldn't be a good idea to make them pay more.

2) American businesses have been and will be making plenty of sacrifices, due to government intervention for decades, now.

3) Maybe the stealfromus money would have been better spent, had it gone to something like this vice funding research trips to China to look dinosaur eggs. Or, maybe we could have done without a few unicorn milk programs?


I do agree with you on # 3. Cut this crap, that should be privately funded. I don't want Corps to pay more that they are supposed, but when I pay 33% of my income on Federal Tax, and they pay 17%, something is wrong. We are talking now, sacrifices now. If I have to go without something, so do they. They are are going to push my retirement to 70, then they need to let go of the deductions for corporate jets.
 
Plenty of rightwingers are saying that corps should pay less. Many are arguing that the wealthy are paying too much.

There may be a few, but in general Conservatives are in favor of leaving things as they are.



Business profits are at record highs right now. Some sacrifice :roll:

Not overall corporate profits. Stop with the propaganda.



You mean the stimulus bill that was laden with tax credits? I thought the rightwingers loved tax credits!

Well, time to throw another rightwing idea under the bus

The stealfromus bill had tax breaks for certain businesses, but nothing across the board. I would ask for you to show us, specifically, what those breaks are, but I already know you can't, so I won't waste time with it.
 
I do agree with you on # 3. Cut this crap, that should be privately funded. I don't want Corps to pay more that they are supposed, but when I pay 33% of my income on Federal Tax, and they pay 17%, something is wrong. We are talking now, sacrifices now. If I have to go without something, so do they. They are are going to push my retirement to 70, then they need to let go of the deductions for corporate jets.

Large corporations don't pay 17%. You're buying into the propaganda. And, if you paid 33%, you make a ****load of money.
 
I would certainly hope so. If you have paid any attention to my post history you would know that governmental fiscal inefficiency is a big problem in my book. That having been said, their are some things that I have no problem allotting my tax dollars to. This is one of those things.

My point, is that perhaps the stealfromus package could have been better spent.
 
There may be a few, but in general Conservatives are in favor of leaving things as they are.

Plenty are pushing for cuts. Why do you think the stimulus was laden with tax cuts and credits?

Not overall corporate profits. Stop with the propaganda.

Yes, corporate profits are at record highs

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Ezra Klein - The real story on corporate profits -- plus a chart

The stealfromus bill had tax breaks for certain businesses, but nothing across the board. I would ask for you to show us, specifically, what those breaks are, but I already know you can't, so I won't waste time with it.

Funny how you demand proof while making claims you never back up

- The New York Times
 
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When you're discussing the real world, the last person you should listen to is a wet-behind-the-ears blogger.



Funny how you demand proof while making claims you never back up

- The New York Times

From your article:

The Stimulus Package: Tax Cuts for Individuals

Now, show us the corporate tax cuts contained in the stealfromus package.
 
When you're discussing the real world, the last person you should listen to is a wet-behind-the-ears blogger.


From your article:

Now, show us the corporate tax cuts contained in the stealfromus package.

The chart I posted is based on #'s from the IRS. Since you reject facts, I see no point in posting links for you.

I'll wait for you to post something factual instead
 
Because you haven't substantiated it

It should be common knowledge that corporations reporting more less than $50,000 of taxable income pay 15%. Large corporations report a helluva lot more than $50K in taxable income. Maybe you're not as informed as I thought.
 
The chart I posted is based on #'s from the IRS. Since you reject facts, I see no point in posting links for you.

I'll wait for you to post something factual instead

IOW, there are no actual corporate tax breaks in the stealformus package and you were just throwing a strawman in everyone's face in an attempt to defend the stealfromus package. Yes?
 
It should be common knowledge that corporations reporting more less than $50,000 of taxable income pay 15%. Large corporations report a helluva lot more than $50K in taxable income. Maybe you're not as informed as I thought.

You said that corporate profits were down. I proved that they are at record highs.

Now you're changing your story to small businesses. Maybe you're not willing to defend your wild claims, as I thought you might be.
 
IOW, there are no actual corporate tax breaks in the stealformus package and you were just throwing a strawman in everyone's face in an attempt to defend the stealfromus package. Yes?

IOW, you are still unwilling to support anything you say with facts. Just more unsubstantiated BS
 
You said that corporate profits were down. I proved that they are at record highs.

Now you're changing your story to small businesses. Maybe you're not willing to defend your wild claims, as I thought you might be.

You claimed that corporate profits, as in all corporate profits--and yes, small businesses are corporations, too--are at record highs.

Your own source disproves your claim.

Well, not all corporations are pulling in near-record profits. "Pre-tax domestic nonfinancial corporate profits" -- that is to say, corporations that sell stuff here and that don't make their money from Wall Street -- are much further from their all-time high.
 
IOW, you are still unwilling to support anything you say with facts. Just more unsubstantiated BS

Well, I can't prove a negative, but you're more than welcome to prove a positive by posting all those corporate tax cuts that are in the stealfromus package. We're waiting with bated breath.
 
You claimed that corporate profits, as in all corporate profits--and yes, small businesses are corporations, too--are at record highs.

Your own source disproves your claim.

You have yet to substantiate any of your wild claims. Let me know when you're willing to defend your own words. If you won't defend them, they must be indefensible
 
Well, I can't prove a negative, but you're more than welcome to prove a positive by posting all those corporate tax cuts that are in the stealfromus package. We're waiting with bated breath.

You said businesses, as in ALL businesses, were making less money. I proved you wrong
 
Large corporations don't pay 17%. You're buying into the propaganda. And, if you paid 33%, you make a ****load of money.

Come on apdst, you are for LA. you know the oil companies are babied. See this article on where Exxon pay about 17% How much do oil companies really pay in taxes? - The Washington Post

I am fortunate I make a good income. I pay out the a$% in taxes, and it pisses me off.

I agree that I should not pay more, but because I am not big business or big oil, I don't that luxury.

I will make sacrifices to get the debt balanced, but if I have to, so do ALL Americans. If this means that granny pays a co pay on medicare, then that's what it means. If it means I don't get SSI or Medicare until I am 70, then that is what it means. But, if I am going to make these sacrifices, so should those few that the GOP are protecting by not closing loop holes and substadies (sic).

Hey, budget crisis, EVERYTHING on top of the table. NO Transparency.
 
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Just to clarify my position on this.
I think those with supposed conditions, from the fall out from the WTC, should have provisional coverage for their conditions until it is determined that it is the actual cause of their condition.

I just really hate all the emotive reasoning obscuring the actual causes for this.

There's nothing wrong with proper emotion. When someone does something wrong, it is fine to be upset about it. The thing with cancer is that there are multiple causes. We've seen in the past that those put into a situation with a carcenigent, say agent orange, cna be delyed treatment while argue about whether it is the actual cause or not. What do know is that it is possible that what they were exposed to could cause cancer. Knowing that, we should treat those who put their life at risk for us. And that is what those people did.
 
Come on apdst, you are for LA. you know the oil companies are babied. See this article on where Exxon pay about 17% How much do oil companies really pay in taxes? - The Washington Post

I am fortunate I make a good income. I pay out the a$% in taxes, and it pisses me off.

I agree that I should not pay more, but because I am not big business or big oil, I don't that luxury.

I will make sacrifices to get the debt balanced, but if I have to, so do ALL Americans. If this means that granny pays a co pay on medicare, then that's what it means. If it means I don't get SSI or Medicare until I am 70, then that is what it means. But, if I am going to make these sacrifices, so should those few that the GOP are protecting by not closing loop holes and substadies (sic).

Hey, budget crisis, EVERYTHING on top of the table. NO Transparency.

I'm on the service end of the oil and gas industry. I'm not making near as much money as I was three years ago. Ever hear of the drilling moratorium?

BTW, which loopholes and subsities do you wish to see closed?
 
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