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Study finds Corporate America avoided $60B in taxes (2010)

Boo Radley said:
I have no problem with that one way or the other. End them. Fine.

But I will say this, if there was ever a reason to have a subsidy it would be for alternative energy, mostly because this is a long term national problem. But, like I said, cut them all out.
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Do you feel that it was always the American government who encouraged and subsidized energy in the United States and without government involvement the people would have a problem finding a solution?
 
Grant said:
Do you feel that it was always the American government who encouraged and subsidized energy in the United States and without government involvement the people would have a problem finding a solution?
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Always? No, I don't think there are such absolutes. I'd no more say always as I would say never. Only that business too often thinks short term, and can deceive themselves as much as an individual can. Business, the market, may not doing something until they have to, are forced to, whic is largely ineffective and not very insightful.

The market isn't magic, and has problems of it's own. That is in part why there are few purely market driven systems in the world today.
 
Boo Radley said:
Business, the market, may not doing something until they have to, are forced to, whic is largely ineffective and not very insightful.
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incoherent

sorry
 
haymarket said:
sure thing ... and lets not get all angry and surly when some inner city gang bangers carjack some suburbanite and mess em up since its really the system that made them the way they are either.



Doesn't that sound stupid?
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Do you know the difference between legal and illegal? I don't think there are any loopholes for carjacking someone and killing them or "messing them up".
 
Boo Radley said:
Business, the market, may not doing something until they have to, are forced to, whic is largely ineffective and not very insightful.
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Who do you think has better answers for what business does in decision making? The business itself? Or government?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Who do you think has better answers for what business does in decision making? The business itself? Or government?

j-mac
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That's not as simple as it sounds. In some cases business can be driven by short-term profits and lose sight of the big picture. See financial meltdown.
 
j-mac said:
Who do you think has better answers for what business does in decision making? The business itself? Or government?

j-mac
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Depends. It isn't an either or. Both have been known to make both poor and good decisions. I would say looking at the nation as a whole, government probably does that better. Looking at their own situation regardless of the nation, likely the business does that better. However, neither is 100% sure.
 
American said:
No you learn something about pretecting the Constitution, and I don't care if you come back. There is nothing precious about the GOP, except they are one of the two parties....and the only one willing to entertain policies I believe in. But yeah, leftist, socialist...whatever generally want us to be like Europe and move away from American founding principles. The people that started this country, came here to get away from all that. Europeans were against individual liberties at that time, and to some extent still are. We don't need that or them.
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I don't defend the Tea Party's interpretation of the Constitution, because to listen to them you'd think there were only 2 Amendments (the 2nd and 10th). If that equates in your mind to "I spit on the Constitution," then I don't know what to tell you, because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Boo Radley said:
Always? No, I don't think there are such absolutes. I'd no more say always as I would say never. Only that business too often thinks short term, and can deceive themselves as much as an individual can. Business, the market, may not doing something until they have to, are forced to, whic is largely ineffective and not very insightful.

The market isn't magic, and has problems of it's own. That is in part why there are few purely market driven systems in the world today.
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no one says the market is magic. simply that it is better when it comes to tradable services and goods.
 
The Prof said:
now, how can that possibly be the case when the HEAD of the govt is so stupid?

Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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Oh oh! I am going to have to disagree with the Prof here. I don't think that the President is stupid. In fact, I think he is highly intelligent. His failure is that he came to his office unprepared for the responsibilities that it takes. He did not have the needed experience and his OJT is not working well.
 
LesGovt said:
His failure is that he came to his office unprepared for the responsibilities that it takes.
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that was a very stupid thing to do

especially in times like these
 
LesGovt said:
Oh oh! I am going to have to disagree with the Prof here. I don't think that the President is stupid. In fact, I think he is highly intelligent. His failure is that he came to his office unprepared for the responsibilities that it takes. He did not have the needed experience and his OJT is not working well.
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His problem is that he came into office at the height of the worst recession since WWII. Anyone who was in his position was going to get hammered.
 
LesGovt said:
Oh oh! I am going to have to disagree with the Prof here. I don't think that the President is stupid. In fact, I think he is highly intelligent. His failure is that he came to his office unprepared for the responsibilities that it takes. He did not have the needed experience and his OJT is not working well.
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I think it's because he is a globalist.
 
AdamT said:
His problem is that he came into office at the height of the worst recession since WWII. Anyone who was in his position was going to get hammered.
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I'm not sure that is true. If Obama had been a governor or a CEO of a large corporation for 6 or 8 years, he would have had some practical experience of running a large organization. He had not had that experience.
 
LesGovt said:
I'm not sure that is true. If Obama had been a governor or a CEO of a large corporation for 6 or 8 years, he would have had some practical experience of running a large organization. He had not had that experience.
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Govnor would be closer, but CEO not really the same at all.
 
cpwill said:
no one says the market is magic. simply that it is better when it comes to tradable services and goods.
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Better depends on the standard you are using. What is the criteria it is measured against? It's kind of like when we speak of health care, we have to define what is the standard we're measuring against. What is best? better? Worse? Without a measure, such statments become meaningless.
 
SheWolf said:
Well from what I have gathered from other posters here... they ship jobs out because of high taxes, so tax rates need to be lowered on companies. That will keep there here, even though many of them don't pay taxes and are getting refunds. So wait, the real problem is the compliance costs with tax code, so we need to make it easier and less expensive for them to get refunds... then the 60B will finally trickle down to us all. :shrug:
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I can't wait to see the Libbos poo in their pants when they figure out that Obamacare is...

wait for it...

wait for it...

Tax deductable!
 
SheWolf said:
And yet again, Apdst, you make no attempt to apologize, excuse or explain your offensive behavior... and that in itself is ****ing offensive, yet you're quick to jump up and condemn my actions and I was being sarcastic.

My respect for you... :thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown

And people wonder why our service members and public servants are being treated with little respect and honor, it's because people like you don't even wear your uniform with respect or honor..
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I've never referred to a service member as a, "parasite", simply because they were serving our country. Unlike yourself.

Of course you don't respect me: I'm a veteran.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So you would agree with monopolies? Child labor? Risky loans that ruin lives? Complete unregulation? Pure capitalism?
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Why do Liberals believe that there's no such thing as a happy medium?
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Oh I know let's ask the Founders what they think of corporations. Here is one one from Jefferson. “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” I think we lost that one.
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Jefferson was referring to public corporations, such as municipalities, not private businesses. But, don't let a little research slow down your spin. ;)
 
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