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GE moving X-ray business to China

Yes, but at the same accord we hear the same tired montra of "punishing the rich" and if we just gave more "tax breaks" we'd get more jobs. But that didn't pan out, did it? They took our money and then when they were in the place to repay, they renigged instead. So **** them. Next time, their company can suffer the slings and arrows of the economy and if they come running again with their hands out, we should tell them "tough titties". Let the market kill them off, there will be another company to take its place. Too big to fail? We shall see.

You're another one of the folks on the Left that thinks that raising business taxes only applies to large corporations and forget about the small businesses that will be hit, too. But hey, that's what the big corporations want you think, it means less competition for them.
 
You're another one of the folks on the Left that thinks that raising business taxes only applies to large corporations and forget about the small businesses that will be hit, too. But hey, that's what the big corporations want you think, it means less competition for them.

Not sure she is or isn't the left, but you do realize you're not actually arguing with her, but the sterotype you think she is a part of?
 
not this year, not next year, not in this country

obama CAVED

enjoy your fantasies

income taxes aren't the only reason that those who are employed will pay more. for example, you'll pay health care premiums that expand much faster than the pace of inflation to cover those who can't pay at all. and you'll pay in the form of devalued currency because the government had to borrow more (and print money) to keep displaced workers afloat. and if money isn't printed, the employed will have to pay more taxes.

all in all, it's better to have people working, even if it means goods and services cost more.
 
The pennis I could save would never change anything

cell phones, internet and cable don't cost pennis

not even in detroit

once again, you lack basic facts

your acquaintances with hi speed access and 100 channels via remote are not real well placed to look elsewhere as to why there's no running water

it comes down to values
 
cell phones, internet and cable don't cost pennis

not even in detroit

once again, you lack basic facts

your acquaintances with hi speed access and 100 channels via remote are not real well placed to look elsewhere as to why there's no running water

it comes down to values

Not hard to get. No. Pennies.
 
it's better to have people working, even if it means good and services cost more.

this is what comes when that rant to link ratio gets outta whack, empty word balloons

back to reality: Daily Kos: One Million Apply for McDonald's Jobs

did you hear about the gdp today---1.3%

not even close to keep up with population

and q1 was revised downward to POINT FOUR PERCENT

that's closing in on DOUBLE DIP, dantons

you want the link?
 
did you hear about the gdp today---1.3%

not even close to keep up with population

Dare I ask what you mean by GDP growth not "keep up with population"?
 
this is what comes when that rant to link ratio gets outta whack, empty word balloons

back to reality: Daily Kos: One Million Apply for McDonald's Jobs

did you hear about the gdp today---1.3%

not even close to keep up with population

and q1 was revised downward to POINT FOUR PERCENT

that's closing in on DOUBLE DIP, dantons

you want the link?

the GDP sucks because wages have stagnated, many are out of work, and energy prices have soared. on top of that, the printing of money has forced the value of existing dollars down.

all in all, the imported energy / outsourced labor model has failed. our GDP is fueled by consumer spending. consumers without jobs or disposable income don't purchase as many discretionary goods and services.

we need to hire people in the US. that's the only way out of this. anything else is a bandaid that won't stick. if we have to pay more for retail goods, that's better than paying a lot more in taxes and entitlements.
 
I didn't think that was the only thing I said. I think I said in some cases there really isn't a good choice, and other times it really isn't about choice, and then added the role model as part of it all. I could have mentioned the entire study on the pyschology of the poor as well, but I didn't want to go looking for links. ;)

It's tough to counter vague generalizations. "in some cases". Like what?
 
Agan, competitng with countries that have real low wages and UHC. I think I see a pattern, and it really isn't all about taxes.

No, it's not all about taxes but it is indeed about taxes.
 
You're another one of the folks on the Left that thinks that raising business taxes only applies to large corporations and forget about the small businesses that will be hit, too. But hey, that's what the big corporations want you think, it means less competition for them.

I never believed that. I beleive that small and I say SMALL, not multi-trillion dollar corps and oil companies should pay their share.
 
I never believed that. I beleive that small and I say SMALL, not multi-trillion dollar corps and oil companies should pay their share.

They already do. Lowering their bottom line even farther, when accounts receivable are down, with the potential going lower, is just bad business.
 
I never believed that. I beleive that small and I say SMALL, not multi-trillion dollar corps and oil companies should pay their share.

what a feel good slogan, "pay their share". What does that mean?
 
the GDP sucks because wages have stagnated, many are out of work, and energy prices have soared. on top of that, the printing of money has forced the value of existing dollars down.

all in all, the imported energy / outsourced labor model has failed. our GDP is fueled by consumer spending. consumers without jobs or disposable income don't purchase as many discretionary goods and services.

we need to hire people in the US. that's the only way out of this. anything else is a bandaid that won't stick. if we have to pay more for retail goods, that's better than paying a lot more in taxes and entitlements.

with all due respect, absent links your words distinguish themselves not from millions of others

today: Boston Scientific to lay off 1,200-plus - Boston.com

boston scientific announced it's moving a thousand jobs to china

the medical device maker, subject to new obamacare taxes, "has been under intense regulatory scrutiny in recent years because of defects in a pair of its best-selling cardiac products," a stent and an implantable defibrillator

fyi
 
you believe that the jobs are moving to China mostly because of new taxes and not because of the Chinese model of extremely low wages, minimal worker protection, and almost no pollution controls?

if so, i believe that you are incorrect.

i should clarify my position, also. i'm not for soaking corporations with new taxes. i'm for a competitive rate; possibly two tiered : one low rate for those corporations which hire a large percentage of their workforce here in the states, and a second rate for those who outsource / re-import. and i would close some loopholes at the same time.

but i would not support a return to the Sinclairian state of Chinese factories in order to remain competitive.

still, you'll either be paying workers to work, or you'll be paying them to not work. if you like cheap goods, high taxes, and entitlements, that's a legitimate position. i prefer goods that are a little more expensive in order to have near full employment. however, claiming that Chinese made goods are cheap is incorrect. they are quite expensive; the cost is societal. we all pay more to support displaced workers, and this cost will grow with the population.
 
I posted this thread and as i read through it...there are two things glaringly clear....TAX CUTS and LESS REGULATION has nothing to do with JOB CREATION and the second and probably more important...is that the teaparty GREEDSTERS refuse to be honest enough to admit that....but thats ok normal americans know tax cuts just put lots more cash in already overfilled pockets of those that took it off everyone that has alot less....
 
what a feel good slogan, "pay their share". What does that mean?

fair question. I have to pay 33% of my income on taxes, I could lie and pay less, Corporations don't pay that. Don't count SSI or medicare, etc. those are operating costs of a labor force. I am talking profits. Stop giving them infrastructure. I build a house in Phoenix I have to pay an extra amount for infrastructure. 10K (guess) but I have to pay for it.

Oil companies pay less than their share. Taken from the Washington Post, from an article titled: How much do oil companies really pay in taxes? - The Washington Post

Just how much do big oil companies pay in taxes?

Exxon Mobil says it pays plenty — more in U.S. taxes than it earned in the United States last year.

How much do oil companies really pay in taxes?

It all depends on how you count.

Exxon Mobil counts everything — not just federal income taxes, but also local property taxes, state taxes, gasoline taxes and payroll taxes. The Center for American Progress (CAP) and other analysts count only the company’s federal corporate income taxes.

“We pay our fair share of taxes,” said Kenneth Cohen, Exxon Mobil’s vice president for public affairs, who in a conference call recently lumped more than $6 of sales, state and local taxes together with every $1 of federal income tax paid in 2010.

But Exxon Mobil’s tax rate is “lower than the average American’s,” Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at CAP, countered in an analysis that put the company’s U.S. federal income tax rate in 2010 at just 17.2 percent.

The tax debate may turn into the most combustible issue when top executives from five oil giants appear before a congressional committee on Thursday.

Most congressional Democrats and the Obama administration want to end or limit tax benefits — or tax breaks — for oil companies.

The provisions targeted include the industry’s use of a tax break that since 2004 has trimmed the corporate tax rate for manufacturers; oil-depletion allowances that all but the biggest firms use to recover drilling costs, sometimes more than 100 percent of those costs; and the expensing of “intangible” drilling costs at a rate higher than that used by most non-oil companies to recover investment costs.
 
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fair question. I have to pay 33% of my income on taxes, I could lie and pay less, Corporations don't pay that. Don't count SSI or medicare, etc. those are operating costs of a labor force. I am talking profits. Stop giving them infrastructure. I build a house in Phoenix I have to pay an extra amount for infrastructure. 10K (guess) but I have to pay for it.

Oil companies pay less than their share. Taken from the Washington Post, from an article titled:

Do you think we will ever see an administration that actually believes they should pay more? Not just say they should, actually make them?

Then, do you understand that it won't be the oil companies paying more, it will be you?
 
but thats ok normal americans know tax cuts just put lots more cash in already overfilled pockets of those that took it off everyone that has alot less

44 dem senators voted to extend the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for all americans even the greedheads

versus 14 dem senators who stood up for shared sacrifice

Senate Overwhelmingly Passes Tax-Cut Package, 81-19

it happened during the duck, a pathetic performance

in the house, it was 143 to 112

not a lot of normal americans there

if you forced yourself to link more you wouldn't say such silly things
 
It's tough to counter vague generalizations. "in some cases". Like what?

I think I gave examples earlier. But let me try again. Here's a real life example. There's a wife and mother who is ill, mental illness, husband has to take her and the kid to work with him, for everyone's safety. He could quit work, go on welfare, but not his way, not how he was brought up. He loses the car. He has to use the company truck. He has too few dollars, no health insurance, and the wife is running up bills. He needs a diversion for the child, gets a TV. He needs a way to call for help when he needs it. He gets a cell phone, even though his house form has been shut off due to lack of payment. He has a computer his brother in law gave him. So he has those things, but food is hard to come by, so he eats a the home of family memebrs and friends too often, takes a lot of gruff about bad decisions, but he doesn't know what else he can do, and the good conservative family memebers aren't actually jumping in to help. You know, your bootstraps and all.

The pay check comes and he has to manage medications, bills, and the situation he is in. Anything he does, he loses something. And sometimes, he says **** it, and has a moment. He feels guilty later, but there is little support out side of a few good friends he later says saved his life.

Now, I was one of the friends, one of the few, and this person is not the only one I know like this. Work in the business for a awhile helping peopleand hearing their stories, and you'll learn a lot, or just hate everyone. Depends on your temperment and world view I think. I don't know how to link this type of thing. But what I know is everyone has a story. And I have enough education to know there is a blindness when your in the fight, a blindness that obstructs your view and doesn't allow you to see the chocies. I know that from being there. I was kicked out of my house at 16, lived on the streets awhile, and could not see my options until I was well past thirty. Good people, good liberals, taught me how to fish. I came to it late, so I have a lot of bad habits still, but I would not be here without them. Not saying I didn't work. But I know how easy it is to be lost. Don't know how to say it any clearer. But people can't be reached with platitudes and easy answers. You have to get dirty.

And you have to understand the human condition, which is messy and anything but logical.
 
he doesn't know what else he can do

tell him to lose the cable, the dvd and the flat screen tv

Modern Poverty Includes A.C. and an Xbox

I don't know how to link this type of thing

LOL!

But what I know is everyone has a story

you can say that again...

i got a druggie neighbor and his welfare fraud washout wife, he killed a girl drunk driving, twisted up his legs real bad, obese, permanent disability, lifetime scam artist...

you're right, there are millions of sad stories

tens of thousands in detroit alone

And I have enough education to know there is a blindness when your in the fight

but not sufficient to distinguish "your" from "you're," which most of us were taught in fourth grade

indeed, "your" and "you're" made california's curriculum standards list of most commonly misspelled words---6th grade

you'd think dept chairs would know
 
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I would say taxes are way down the list. They matter far less than many argue.

this is dramatically incorrect. nominal corporate rates would typically make taxes the number two expense for most businesses.
 
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