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sangha said:
Tax credits and deductions are used by the rich to avoid paying their fair share. Add in govt subsidies, bailouts and supports, and you've just begun to see the extent of the wealthys' plan to soak the middle class. Their problem is that they have no conscience and they are jealous of the wealth created by the middle class
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Fair share? Still waiting for your definition of fair share and I ask you do you think income earners paying zero in FIT are paying their fair share? You seem to be an expert on what the rich do with their money. Where did you develop that expertise?
 
sangha said:
They show the results of the lazy richs' jealousy of the hardworking middle class. It's time to make the rich take some personal responsibility for destroying our economy with their greed
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Hard to have an honest discussion with someone using this forum for attention and someone putting on an act
 
Conservative said:
Do you always think only with your heart? How many Americans do you believe truly need taxpayer help and cannot make it on their own or with the help of family? What sacrifice are you taking to help the poor?
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The wealthy and their rightwing supporters can't defend their govt welfare with facts, so they engage in the politics of personal destruction, calling anyone who points out how they are ripping off the middle class a lengthy list of childish names (ex jealous, envious, parasites, etc)
 
sangha said:
The wealthy and their rightwing supporters can't defend their govt welfare with facts, so they engage in the politics of personal destruction, calling anyone who points out how they are ripping off the middle class a lengthy list of childish names (ex jealous, envious, parasites, etc)
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You have made a lot of claims but no proof that the rich are ripping anyone off or hurting the poor. that is what you do as part of your act. How did any rich person hurt you or your family by what they earned? Life is about making choices. You don't like what some rich person does, don't buy from them
 
Conservative said:
Fair share? Still waiting for your definition of fair share and I ask you do you think income earners paying zero in FIT are paying their fair share? You seem to be an expert on what the rich do with their money. Where did you develop that expertise?
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And I'm still waiting for you to provide any factual support for the rich who pay no income tax at all instead of engaging in the politics of personal destruction

A fair share is when everyone pay taxes in proportion to their disposable income (including all the govt welfare they receive)
 
Conservative said:
You have made a lot of claims but no proof that the rich are ripping anyone off or hurting the poor. that is what you do as part of your act. How did any rich person hurt you or your family by what they earned? Life is about making choices. You don't like what some rich person does, don't buy from them
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I have posted charts which show the results of the wealthys decade long plan to soak the middle class. The rightwingers refuse to respond or even consider the reality portrayed by those facts.
 
sangha said:
And I'm still waiting for you to provide any factual support for the rich who pay no income tax at all instead of engaging in the politics of personal destruction

A fair share is when everyone pay taxes in proportion to their disposable income (including all the govt welfare they receive)
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Unlike you I don't care what the rich or anyone else pays in FIT including you. I gave you the percentage of FIT that each class makes. You use buzz words and vague terms to promote your act. Define fair share as a percentage of income? Tell me that people making 50,000 or less cannot pay something in FIT? What is their fair share?
 
sangha said:
I have posted charts which show the results of the wealthys decade long plan to soak the middle class. The rightwingers refuse to respond or even consider the reality portrayed by those facts.
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Your charts show nothing of value because you don't know how much the rich give to the poor and charities
 
Conservative said:
Unlike you I don't care what the rich or anyone else pays in FIT including you. I gave you the percentage of FIT that each class makes. You use buzz words and vague terms to promote your act. Define fair share as a percentage of income? Tell me that people making 50,000 or less cannot pay something in FIT? What is their fair share?
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And I gave you the results of our tax system and system of subsidies for the rich, which clearly show how the rich have looted the middle class. It's time to make the rich take some personal responsibility and pay their fair share
 
Conservative said:
Your charts show nothing of value because you don't know how much the rich give to the poor and charities
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I know that the rich don't pay their fair share of charity. Their sense of compassion is so lacking that even the poor give a larger portion of their income to charity

Who are the most generous givers?

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sangha said:
And I gave you the results of our tax system and system of subsidies for the rich, which clearly show how the rich have looted the middle class. It's time to make the rich take some personal responsibility and pay their fair share
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Not once have you talked about Govt. spending nor have you ever addressed the 47% of INCOME earners paying zero in FIT. Why is that? You just keep posting and moving the goalposts never addressing any issue. This is a joke and it has worn thin with me. Keep playing your game but I cannot keep up with your one line simple responses that never address the issues and simply promotes jealousy and capitalizes on someone else's ignorance. Using the term fair share doesn't make your case because you never define it.
 
sangha said:
I know that the rich don't pay their fair share of charity. Their sense of compassion is so lacking that even the poor give a larger portion of their income to charity

Who are the most generous givers?

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Oh, good Lord, another percentage change argument. Since those evil rich people are already paying 38% of the FIT they already start at a disadvantage of spendable income over people who pay zero. Nice try but irrelevant.
 
sangha said:
I know that the rich don't pay their fair share of charity. Their sense of compassion is so lacking that even the poor give a larger portion of their income to charity

Who are the most generous givers?

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And not to mention that the less one has, the more the act of them giving from it actually constitutes a sacrifice.
 
Conservative said:
Not once have you talked about Govt. spending nor have you ever addressed the 47% of INCOME earners paying zero in FIT. Why is that? You just keep posting and moving the goalposts never addressing any issue. This is a joke and it has worn thin with me. Keep playing your game but I cannot keep up with your one line simple responses that never address the issues and simply promotes jealousy and capitalizes on someone else's ignorance. Using the term fair share doesn't make your case because you never define it.
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Actually, I have spoken of how govt spending flows to the rich through bailouts, subsidies, price supports, etc. I will express my opinion without regard for the opinions of the rich and their rightwing supporters who want me to focus on taxes paid by the poor in order to avoid discussing how the rich are soaking the middle class. When the rightwingers start discussing how the rich have destroyed our economy and been rewarded for it, maybe then we can have a "balanced" discussion.

And there aren't enough words in the dictionary to explain what "fair" means to the rightwing. The concept is beyond their comprehension.
 
Conservative said:
Oh, good Lord, another percentage change argument. Since those evil rich people are already paying 38% of the FIT they already start at a disadvantage of spendable income over people who pay zero. Nice try but irrelevant.
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lmao....yes, the poor disadvantaged rich. truly a sad, sad, tale.

how ridiculous can you be? what "spendable income" is left for poor people after they pay rent and buy food, gas and necessities? MORE than rich people? uh-huh.
 
Conservative said:
Oh, good Lord, another percentage change argument. Since those evil rich people are already paying 38% of the FIT they already start at a disadvantage of spendable income over people who pay zero. Nice try but irrelevant.
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The rich are devoid of compassion that they think simply paying their small portion of the total tax burden is "charity"
 
sangha said:
I have posted charts which show the results of the wealthys decade long plan to soak the middle class. The rightwingers refuse to respond or even consider the reality portrayed by those facts.
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What you haven't proven is the bolded. You keep spewing this crap about the wealthy being lazy welfare recipients (funny...really, really funny) but other than a few charts which do not show causation you haven't provided anything to back up an annoyingly repetitive claim.
 
liblady said:
lmao....yes, the poor disadvantaged rich. truly a sad, sad, tale.

how ridiculous can you be? what "spendable income" is left for poor people after they pay rent and buy food, gas and necessities? MORE than rich people? uh-huh.
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The wealthy and their supporters will not answer such questions. They have cherry picked the stats and found one that makes them look good. They focus on their one argument to the exclusion of any other fact.
 
sangha said:
The rich are devoid of compassion that they think simply paying their small portion of the total tax burden is "charity"
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Care to define rich. Obama has two definitions, first any couple earning more than $250K annually or second "Millionaires and Billionaires". Do you have a third definition. Is it every person that has assets in excess of $1 million or something different.
 
Conservative said:
Oh, good Lord, another percentage change argument. Since those evil rich people are already paying 38% of the FIT they already start at a disadvantage of spendable income over people who pay zero. Nice try but irrelevant.
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Oh good lord. It's not percent change, it is percent of income. It is clearly labeled as that in fact.

The reason some people no Federal Income tax is because their income is so low. If you are wealthy, you in fact have more income, even when it is taxed. Paying 0 % of 30k means you have 30k income, paying 38 % of 250 k means you have 155k income. Who has more spendable income?
 
tessaesque said:
What you haven't proven is the bolded. You keep spewing this crap about the wealthy being lazy welfare recipients (funny...really, really funny) but other than a few charts which do not show causation you haven't provided anything to back up an annoyingly repetitive claim.
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I have posted about all the govt welfare the rich recieve. They get bailouts while the middle class gets screwed because those "hard workers" in the top 1% couldn't make dime one without the middle class bailing them out.
 
liblady said:
lmao....yes, the poor disadvantaged rich. truly a sad, sad, tale.

how ridiculous can you be? what "spendable income" is left for poor people after they pay rent and buy food, gas and necessities? MORE than rich people? uh-huh.
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How much more of your money are you sending to the govt. so they can take care of those people you claim you care about? What is ridiculous is a belief that the govt. can solve social problems. That is the role of the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. How much are you spending in food, gasoline, and other necessities for the poor?
 
sangha said:
The wealthy and their supporters will not answer such questions. They have cherry picked the stats and found one that makes them look good. They focus on their one argument to the exclusion of any other fact.
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this whole argument is ridiculous. EVERYONE wants to pay less in taxes. some of us just realize that reality is smacking us in the face.
 
sangha said:
I have posted about all the govt welfare the rich recieve. They get bailouts while the middle class gets screwed because those "hard workers" in the top 1% couldn't make dime one without the middle class bailing them out.
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You saying it happens doesn't make it actually happen. I could say I poop jelly beans, but that doesn't make it true. Neither does saying it in every single thread, multiple times, without cause or correllation.
 
Conservative said:
How much more of your money are you sending to the govt. so they can take care of those people you claim you care about? What is ridiculous is a belief that the govt. can solve social problems. That is the role of the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. How much are you spending in food, gasoline, and other necessities for the poor?
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The middle class is paying more than their fair share of all taxes, so the rich can get a free ride on the back of the middle class. The middle class also gives a higher portion of the income to charity. By all measures, the rich have shown that they are devoid of compassion and conscience.
 
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