150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs

[BmanMcfly]

150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years
By DANIEL MARTIN and SIMON CALDWELL
Last updated at 8:19 AM on 25th July 2011

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Scientists have created more than 150 human-animal hybrid embryos in British laboratories.

The hybrids have been produced secretively over the past three years by researchers looking into possible cures for a wide range of diseases.

The revelation comes just a day after a committee of scientists warned of a nightmare ‘Planet of the Apes’ scenario in which work on human-animal creations goes too far.

Wow... Just wow...

Comments?? I'm personally speechless.

 

[Hicup]

Why are you speechless?


Tim-

 

[Baralis]

We would probably be surprised by all of the things done in the name of science that we are never aware of.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Why are you speechless?

Tim-

Well, to start, have you seen the studies about GMO food rodent studies?? (hint: 3 generations of eating GMO foods, in most studies, sees something like 98% sterility rates, of those that actually survive into adulthood, and most of the remainder are completely deformed, like hair growing on teeth.)

Aside from the moral objections to creating these hybrids. Let's say you make a humanzee, that is half-human half-chimp, now you've created a mixin ground for viruses that can only affect one or the other, and now new and never before seen viruses can emerge.

If we're going to do this kind of genetic testing, let's at least do it safe and do this testing in a safe location; like on the moon, or mars, maybe further out where it's not going to put at risk our society as we know it.

 

[winston53660]

Wow... Just wow...

Comments?? I'm personally speechless.

Is there a link to this story?

 

[BmanMcfly]

We would probably be surprised by all of the things done in the name of science that we are never aware of.

I don't doubt it... I've known about the spider-goats for years, but it's a big step to go from that to half-human genetic hybrids.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Is there a link to this story?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...d-humans-produced-secretively-past-years.html

My bad sorry

 

[Redress]

Link for story: Embryos involving the genes of animals mixed with humans have been produced secretively for the past three years | Mail Online

It's pretty cool with lots of potential for developing treatments otherwise unavailable. People will panic because it has the word "human" in it, but many of us knew this was happening, and there is nothing inappropriate.

 

[BmanMcfly]

It's pretty cool with lots of potential for developing treatments otherwise unavailable. People will panic because it has the word "human" in it, but many of us knew this was happening, and there is nothing inappropriate.

Nothing inappropriate?? In what sense?

I'm not really surprised that this is happening, but the fact that they already are openly discussing that this is being done probably means that they have all sorts of half-human half-animals walking around in some underground labs somewhere...

I wonder how long before some of these monstrosities "escape" into the wild.

 

[Taylor]

What's not being told is that the labs were found on a secret island, set up by a brilliant researcher. Due to his his very-questionable work, he was long ago expelled from the scientific community and hadn't been seen since - Dr. Moreau I think his name is.

 

[winston53660]

Nothing inappropriate?? In what sense?

I'm not really surprised that this is happening, but the fact that they already are openly discussing that this is being done probably means that they have all sorts of half-human half-animals walking around in some underground labs somewhere...

I wonder how long before some of these monstrosities "escape" into the wild.

You have been watching to many movies.

 

[Redress]

Nothing inappropriate?? In what sense?

I'm not really surprised that this is happening, but the fact that they already are openly discussing that this is being done probably means that they have all sorts of half-human half-animals walking around in some underground labs somewhere...

I wonder how long before some of these monstrosities "escape" into the wild.

The conspiracy theory forum is further south. That is also where the illuminati along with the freemasons and Bildeburgers, in conjunction with Bush and the other 9/11 plotters and Obama birth certificate forgers are doing their secret menagerie experiments.

 

[BmanMcfly]

You have been watching to many movies.

Excuse me??? They've already released the half-cockroach half-salmon into the wild.

The fact that this is HAPPENING and is NEWS in the first place... WE ARE LIVING in a science fiction movie world as it is.

Genetically modified salmon safe, FDA says - Health - CBC News

I don't know how advanced humans are in this discipline in these blacksites where these experiments are performed, but publicly, the extent of our genetic understanding is that the genome has been read, but I seriously doubt that we have more then the most basic understanding of how the actual "code" of genetics works... what this means is that we are MOST likely, because of a lack of real understanding, to create a situation that could put at risk the entirety of human society...

http://www.somloquesembrem.org/img_editor/file/Kilic&Akay08BtMaizeFeedingStudy.pdf - what happens to rats eating GMO foods for 3 generations.

 

[tessaesque]

I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall when Plato and others were discussing planetary positions...
Or when Darwin initially proposed adaptive evolution...
Or when they announced they had successfully cloned a sheep...

I'm sure the "EVERYBODY PANIC" button was flashing then, too. I guess since we're all still here, the world didn't end.

 

[BmanMcfly]

The conspiracy theory forum is further south. That is also where the illuminati along with the freemasons and Bildeburgers, in conjunction with Bush and the other 9/11 plotters and Obama birth certificate forgers are doing their secret menagerie experiments.

In what sense is there nothing inappropriate with creating half-human chimeras??

To which you respond "conspiracy theory"?!?!?!

I remember when spider-goats was a conspiracy theory, and now : BBC News | SCI/TECH | GM goat spins web based future

So, can you first address the original question? Then can you explain why you are trying to throw the label of "conspiracy" because of concerns... and beyond that, your statement is quite naive to suggest that this news story covers ALL that is going on... the article itself alludes to similar labs working under less regulation.

So your label is baseless here...

 

[tessaesque]

In what sense is there nothing inappropriate with creating half-human chimeras??

To which you respond "conspiracy theory"?!?!?!

I remember when spider-goats was a conspiracy theory, and now : BBC News | SCI/TECH | GM goat spins web based future

So, can you first address the original question? Then can you explain why you are trying to throw the label of "conspiracy" because of concerns... and beyond that, your statement is quite naive to suggest that this news story covers ALL that is going on... the article itself alludes to similar labs working under less regulation.

So your label is baseless here...

I think the conspiracy implication lies in your blatant over-reaction to the creation of hybrid embryos, particularly when the purpose of the studies is not clear. Kind of like those who would wear tinfoil hats because they believe the government deployed satellites and uses microwaves to read and control our thoughts.

 

[Redress]

Excuse me??? They've already released the half-cockroach half-salmon into the wild.

The fact that this is HAPPENING and is NEWS in the first place... WE ARE LIVING in a science fiction movie world as it is.

Genetically modified salmon safe, FDA says - Health - CBC News

Ummm..that is not half salmon half cockroach. More like 99.999% salmon, .001 % cockroach, and according to your source they have not been released in the wild.

I don't know how advanced humans are in this discipline in these blacksites where these experiments are performed, but publicly, the extent of our genetic understanding is that the genome has been read, but I seriously doubt that we have more then the most basic understanding of how the actual "code" of genetics works... what this means is that we are MOST likely, because of a lack of real understanding, to create a situation that could put at risk the entirety of human society...

http://www.somloquesembrem.org/img_editor/file/Kilic&Akay08BtMaizeFeedingStudy.pdf - what happens to rats eating GMO foods for 3 generations.

That is what happens to rats eating one variety of GMO corn. Much more narrow than you are presenting it.

Blacksites...:rofl

 

[Redress]

In what sense is there nothing inappropriate with creating half-human chimeras??

To which you respond "conspiracy theory"?!?!?!

I remember when spider-goats was a conspiracy theory, and now : BBC News | SCI/TECH | GM goat spins web based future

So, can you first address the original question? Then can you explain why you are trying to throw the label of "conspiracy" because of concerns... and beyond that, your statement is quite naive to suggest that this news story covers ALL that is going on... the article itself alludes to similar labs working under less regulation.

So your label is baseless here...

There is a difference between a goat with a few genes from spiders, and human being "chimera's", which are limited to embryo stage.

 

[BmanMcfly]

I think the conspiracy implication lies in your blatant over-reaction to the creation of hybrid embryos, particularly when the purpose of the studies is not clear. Kind of like those who would wear tinfoil hats because they believe the government deployed satellites and uses microwaves to read and control our thoughts.

Hang on a second, there are very real potential consequences to genetic testing... especially to the extent that this genetic experimentation is being done in the open environment. There are NUMEROUS studies of the impact on GMO foods alone, nevermind what COULD potentially happen with actual chimera's and human-animal hybrids, that we don't even fully understand.

This is not much different then the concerns that those scientists had at exploding the first nuclear bombs, they felt that there was a potential to ignite the atmosphere of the planet... or while using the large hadron super-collider, there were discussions about how this could create a black hole, or a list of earth ending potential (but the risk was deemed "low" so they pushed that button).

The fact is that our understanding of genetics is still in it's relative infancy, and I seriously doubt that we understand enough about generational genetic replication to be able to say that what is viable THIS generation might remain genetically viable into future generations.

Concerns != conspiracy...

and read my sig.

 

[jamesrage]

Wow... Just wow...

Comments?? I'm personally speechless.

I could be wrong but I do not think anyone ever said scientists were moral. Their attitude seems to be we do it because we can regardless of the consequences.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I must say this is pretty crazy. And i must also say this is pretty badass.

 

[Taylor]

This has apparently been going on much longer than we thought. In the latter years of WWII, England began attempts at human-pig hybrids, hoping to build an elite force of bomb-sniffing pigmen (pigs of course having even better olfactory sensitivites than dogs). Early attempts were highly unsuccessful, and the first major breakthrough wasn't realized until the '60s. Wilbur120209 was the first hybrid that lived for any amount of time outside of the womb:

A recent wikileaks dump (quickly scrubbed) indicated that the craft was eventually perfected. Perhaps even more disturbing was information confirming that the Brits sent at least one of these hybrids into the US with a mission to infiltrate the government and weaken its economy under a pretense of environmentalism:

 

[Manc Skipper]

Damn! How did you find out? We'll have to move to Plan B now.

 

[Alcibiades]

Uh, wow... Can I see one? =oD

 

[BmanMcfly]

Ummm..that is not half salmon half cockroach. More like 99.999% salmon, .001 % cockroach, and according to your source they have not been released in the wild.

Well, you are right... I misunderstood the previous articles, close to a year ago that said the FDA had approved these fish, but they've been blocked so far. Also, the article that discussed one of these fish escaping was actually discussing the POTENTIAL escape.

My bad.

Beyond that, whatever the percentages are, these fish grow twice as big, twice as fast, are super-aggressive and in closed studies found they would extinct "normal" salmon within 40 generations.
BBC News | SCI/TECH | 'Trojan gene' could wipe out fish

To quantify this, the researchers plugged their results into a computer model to find out what would happen if 60 transgenic individuals joined a wild population of 60,000 fish. The population became extinct within just 40 generations. Even a single transgenic animal could have the same effect, they found, although extinction would take longer.

That is what happens to rats eating one variety of GMO corn. Much more narrow than you are presenting it.

That's actually just 1 of, I think it must be close to 20 different studies on variety of GMO foods... and MOST all of them are either too short to draw any longer-term effects, or show some negative effects...



This would be anecdotal evidence at best, but there are DOZENS of stories about animals refusing GMO foods when they have the choice...

They are not really "news" or "science" sources though, so, I'll let you find your own sources on that matter...

Blacksites...:rofl

Blacksites is only another word for "secret sites"... Area 51 would count as a blacksite if everybody wasn't aware of it and/or whatever stories have come out about there (true or not, this is only to demonstrate)... and if there are military bases that are kept secret, then is it NOT REASONABLE to assume that there are science labs buried underground where nobody really knows about except those working there??

It's also easier to "bend the rules" if you're not worrying about any unwanted publicity.

Or are you laughing because you don't believe that there is such a thing as bases, labs, research facilities, weapons testing, etc, at locations that nobody knows exists beyond those that actually work in those facilities??

There is a difference between a goat with a few genes from spiders, and human being "chimera's", which are limited to embryo stage.

Ok, here's the big question for you :
Is there any way that you could "prove" that they are ACTUALLY being limited to embryonic development?? Or are you just taking it on faith that this is not being done??

But to go back to the original source article of the thread :

However, he called for stricter controls on another type of embryo research, in which animal embryos are implanted with a small amount of human genetic material.

Human-animal hybrids are also created in other countries, many of which have little or no regulation.

Read more: Embryos involving the genes of animals mixed with humans have been produced secretively for the past three years | Mail Online

So really, we're just taking it on faith that these scientists working in these labs are performing "ethical" genetic engineering research, and are not mad scientists trying to see all the different splices they can make of all different forms of life...

All I'm saying is that this is shocking because of the potential for things to go wrong... and it's better to nip this in the bud instead of allowing a situation like happened with GMO foods, where we were told that because the tomato still LOOKS like a tomato that it's still "SAFE" like a tomato, when pretty much all studies (longer than 90 day studies at least) show at least SOME damage from eating different varieties of GMO foods... here's the problem, these foods are already in the open, they are already contaminating even those that are trying to avoid GMO foods...

And that's not even touching the moral and ethical arguments for this....