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Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

Oh. Maybe some sunlight on the proposals would prove enlightening. I guess when they are secret, the Democrats can lie about what really happened yesterday. Pshaw!

The reason they're secret is because once they're made public, idiot ideologues from both sides of the aisle start ruining the negotiations. Left-wing Dems go "entitlement reforms, we can't have that! Kill the talks now!" Far-right conservatives go "OMG tax increases! Scuttle this deal now!" Then we're back to square one. Like now.
 
It wasn't Obama who created all that debt, but his budget has to include spending to service that debt. Obama didnt pass Medicare D, but his budget has to fund it. And on and on, TARP, HAS, TSA, and bloated pork laden Farm, Energy, and Transportation bills. He didn't create these massive spending programs, but his budget has to pay for them.
Yes, same as every other president.

And just FYI, bush* and the republicans doubled the national debt
The difference being that GDP was growing at the time, and debt remained around 60% of GDP for most of his presidency.

It's about 100% of GDP right now, a level we haven't seen (or even come close to) since WWII.
 
His best proposal.

Which one did he support the most and which one did you find most appealing?
I think you scared him away.
 
The rightwingers can't justify their obstinancy, so they have to pretend that Obama told them he would cheat to rationalize their walking away from a deal that would cut spending dramatically.

Obama has cut taxes, and the rightwingers beleive that he increased taxes. Facts have no relation to the propoganda spewing from the right. They blame Obama for walking away from a deal, and praise republicans for walking away from a deal

Actually, CNN is reporting Boehner asked to roll back a bunch of provisions in healthcare reform and the Whitehouse said "Fine, but we want to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the richest Americans."
 
This is what i get from this whole fiasco: "We are republicans, and its our way or the highway democrats." Obama comes up and says "hey how bout this we you know try to work something out ill include more than $1 trillion in cuts to domestic and defense discretionary spending, as well as $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs like SS, Medicare, Medicaid and other social lifenets, but can we have some tax increases and you know close some tax loopholes and corporate loopholes please?" Republicans come back and say "NO! YOUR A BIG SPENDER! AND YOUR GONNA TAX US TO DEATH." Obama comes back and says "What the flying ****, this is bull****" and then Republicans then walk out cuz they think they are the shizznit.
 
Actually, CNN is reporting Boehner asked to roll back a bunch of provisions in healthcare reform and the Whitehouse said "Fine, but we want to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the richest Americans."

The White House offered a “ceiling” of $800 billion in new revenue over 10 years that would be achieved through comprehensive tax reform (e.g., eliminating loopholes, credits and deductions) in a way that would stimulate economic growth. This would not constitute a tax increase.

Following the release of the Gang of Six proposal, however, the White House then insisted on an additional $400 billion in actual tax increases, for a total of $1.2 trillion in revenue that would become the new “floor” for revenues. Additionally, the administration backed away from several aspects of the tax reform package they had already agreed to, including a protection against tax hikes on small businesses and a guarantee that they would only be three tiers of tax rates, the highest of which would be below 35 percent.

In regard to Social Security, the two sides had agreed on a change in the way the government calculates inflation (the so-called “chain CPI”) that would extend the program’s solvency. However, the White House reneged on a previously agreed-upon solvency target and offered a weaker target that would yield 25 percent less in savings....
 
I doubt Obama has the balls to do that. If it comes down to it, he'll fold and give the Republicans what they want, just like every other time.

He didn't. I'm proud of him. I could ****ing castrate Boner. - nevermind. That's been done.
 
This is what i get from this whole fiasco: "We are republicans, and its our way or the highway democrats." Obama comes up and says "hey how bout this we you know try to work something out ill include more than $1 trillion in cuts to domestic and defense discretionary spending, as well as $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs like SS, Medicare, Medicaid and other social lifenets, but can we have some tax increases and you know close some tax loopholes and corporate loopholes please?" Republicans come back and say "NO! YOUR A BIG SPENDER! AND YOUR GONNA TAX US TO DEATH." Obama comes back and says "What the flying ****, this is bull****" and then Republicans then walk out cuz they think they are the shizznit.

That is pretty much it. He was giving cuts that his own base was panicked about. Don't believe me, hit the news pages in the past 48 hours. The Democrats were petrified. Pelosi was furious. HE TRIED. He gave them the keys, and they stuck their little noses in the air and said "**** you very much."
 
That is pretty much it. He was giving cuts that his own base was panicked about. Don't believe me, hit the news pages in the past 48 hours. The Democrats were petrified. Pelosi was furious. HE TRIED. He gave them the keys, and they stuck their little noses in the air and said "**** you very much."

I've been getting frantic emails from progressive groups for like a week now. Moveon.org is in full panic mode over the cuts to SS and medicare.
 
He didn't. I'm proud of him. I could ****ing castrate Boner. - nevermind. That's been done.

Well, we'll see. It'll come down to the final hours, just like the budget. Someone is gonna flinch. My money's still on Obama.
 
He didn't. I'm proud of him. I could ****ing castrate Boner. - nevermind. That's been done.

he has the balls to let Senate Democrats force him to change his deal at the last moment, scuttling it?

wow, now that's leadership.
 
Today was a really sad day for America. Once again, Both sides, im not blaming anybody here, are willing to come to the table like adults, not worry about their extremeist party members, and make a deal. This is all about re-elections people. Does anyone find it odd this happened on a Friday night, when EVERYONE is at home watching the news? Its politics. This is how its always been, and always will. Right after these extreme downfalls, a deal is usually reached 3 days later.

But besides that, I was very impressed with President Obama. This is the first time I have ever seen him step up like a man, and tell the American people how it is. I am still waiting for him to bring the 14th ammendement into the picture, which I still believe is his safety net if all else fails, considering he still is the president of the United States and has powers CNN, especially fox news, are afraid to talk about.

Expect this to happen in the next few days...

1.) Reaching for a small, short term deal, which is what Republicans wanted in the first place. They need GOP campaign material, and why not about the countries debt crisis. Obama wanted a long term deal, through 2013, so this issue would not be as big in the elections, but Republicans KNOW he wants this, and are doing everything they can to just kick the can down the road.

2.) If short term agreements fail, expected Obama to call a press conference envoking his 14th ammendment rights. Bill Clinton thinks he should do it, even some GOP members thinks he should do it, and I would back him on it. Of course the GOP will come back and fuel the already crazy Tea-Party roots, saying he is attempting to kill democracy, take over the United States, A nazi... and so on. It would be a gamble with his re-election, but I think the American people would rally behind him, considering he is doing this for the better of the country, not for his own personal gains. Atleast... you would have to be an idiot to think he's doing it to kill democracy, but after what I have seen the tea-party represent over the last year, nothing would surprise me.
 
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John Boehner doesnt have a mind of his own anymore...hes a mindless puppet whos strings are being manipulated by the teaparty. This is a major gamble by both parties, if Social Security checks and other things dont get paid...which ever party gets blamed...will be done for 10 yrs
 
John Boehner doesnt have a mind of his own anymore...hes a mindless puppet whos strings are being manipulated by the teaparty. This is a major gamble by both parties, if Social Security checks and other things dont get paid...which ever party gets blamed...will be done for 10 yrs

well, given that he is pretty sure Republicans will be blamed by a compliant media - that is indeed the President's hope.
 
well, given that he is pretty sure Republicans will be blamed by a compliant media - that is indeed the President's hope.

This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.
 
This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.

It was interesting yesterday to watch Boehner's speech live and then watch CNN only an hour later play clips of the President's speech and then Boehner's. Somehow, CNN did not think it was important to show Boehner's comments on the tax revenue proposal. Hmmm. Nope, no bias there. People who did not see the speech will walk away from the CNN broadcast with a totally different view than one of reality.
 
well, given that he is pretty sure Republicans will be blamed by a compliant media - that is indeed the President's hope.

It is the republicans fault...the teaparty greedsters refuse to negotiate they just want what they want when they want it.....and wont settle for less...if the govt closes down it will most certainly be the teapartys fault period....no one needs a compliant media to see its the gop that wont bend and is not negotiating but merely DEMANDING...
 
This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.

Are you claiming that the majority of media isn't liberal?? The media themselves admit it! There is no room for debate on this subject.

The only media which has consistently fair and balanced points of view is Fox, and of course that has the liberals in a tizzy,
 
It is the republicans fault...the teaparty greedsters refuse to negotiate they just want what they want when they want it.....and wont settle for less...if the govt closes down it will most certainly be the teapartys fault period....no one needs a compliant media to see its the gop that wont bend and is not negotiating but merely DEMANDING...

I don't think the blame game is a good idea on this one... Both "teams" are completely blame worthy, and/or completely corrupt.

The tea party has for the most part, been infiltrated by people that the original tea partyers were countering.

Don't worry about this issue too much... At the last second they are going to strike a deal and make a declaration to the effect of :

"we have successfully finished a last second closed door meeting where for hours we figured out how to solve this issue in such a way that people can get their checks. In the urgency to get an agreement to work with, we found a common solution, and you aren't going to like it, but it's necessary that we now implement these crippling austerity measures." and then list the details of the agreement.... And it's going to be worse than simply a bankruptcy.
 
It was interesting yesterday to watch Boehner's speech live and then watch CNN only an hour later play clips of the President's speech and then Boehner's. Somehow, CNN did not think it was important to show Boehner's comments on the tax revenue proposal. Hmmm. Nope, no bias there. People who did not see the speech will walk away from the CNN broadcast with a totally different view than one of reality.
This is why I have walked away from watching the media news bunnies peddle their wears, all of the media that is.
 
what?

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of course, that actually hides the fact that from 2007 on Democrats controlled the congress - which is where spending bills must originate.



and Obama has added even more on since. the Stimulus alone cost more than Iraq did over a decade.

The stimulus was mostly tax cuts. The FY2009 and FY2010 spending was from legislation that was passed under bush*, and Obama has to pay for all the spending programs created by bush* and the repubs
 
It's not fighting fairly when you burden leftists with facts. Their weapon of choice is hyperbole.

I wonder if the rightwingers will ever admit that spending under Obama includes spending for things passed by republicans (ex Medicare D, TARP, TSA, HSA, 2 wars, Transportatin, Farm and Energy bills) not to mention servicing all the debt piled up by Reagan, GHWB and bush*

I doubt it.
 
Oh. Maybe some sunlight on the proposals would prove enlightening. I guess when they are secret, the Democrats can lie about what really happened yesterday. Pshaw!

It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans.
 
Yes, same as every other president.

No. It's only the republicans who rack up debt on the govts credit card. 3/4 of the debt was piled up under a repub presidents watch.


The difference being that GDP was growing at the time, and debt remained around 60% of GDP for most of his presidency.

It's about 100% of GDP right now, a level we haven't seen (or even come close to) since WWII.

Increasing GDP only makes their failure to fund their spending spree worse.
 
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