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Explosions In Norway

Oslo police have released the name of the man who did this. He is a blond haired, blue eyed, right winger, who apparently acted alone. He has no ties to any right wing hate groups, and police are puzzled because he didn't fit the profile of someone who might do something like this. But this is the definition of a home grown terrorist attack, and it appears he acted alone.

There is ongoing coverage at this time on CCTV Channel 9 (Chinese English network.)
 
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danarhea said:
Oslo police have released the name of the man who did this. He is a blond haired, blue eyed, right winger, who apparently acted alone. He has no ties to any right wing hate groups, and police are puzzled because he didn't fit the profile of someone who might do something like this. But this is the definition of a home grown terrorist attack, and it appears he acted alone.

There is ongoing coverage at this time on CCTV Channel 9 (Chinese English network.)
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He has no ties to right wing hate groups maybe... the police are looking into it, but he is a right wing Christian fundamentalist according to his own twitter and Facebook accounts.

91+ people dead, most on the island.
 
PeteEU said:
He has no ties to right wing hate groups maybe... the police are looking into it, but he is a right wing Christian fundamentalist according to his own twitter and Facebook accounts.

91+ people dead, most on the island.
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There are lots of right wing Christian fundamentalists in the United States, but someone like Timothy McVeigh is a rarity. I would suspect that the same is true in Norway.
 
PeteEU said:
He has no ties to right wing hate groups maybe... the police are looking into it, but he is a right wing Christian fundamentalist according to his own twitter and Facebook accounts.

91+ people dead, most on the island.
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I am just happy he has been captured.
 
danarhea said:
There are lots of right wing Christian fundamentalists in the United States, but someone like Timothy McVeigh is a rarity. I would suspect that the same is true in Norway.
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Of course but saying he has no connections with right wing hate groups is a bit early to say. Considering his online profiles and so on, chances are he does have some sort of link. That is of course provided the online profiles are not fake. But even the police are calling him a Christian fundamentalist and along with the fact he attacked left wing targets, then you have to add the two together and call him a right wing Christian fundamentalist. But we will know more in the coming days/weeks.
 
Or maybe he's just mentally ill, and whatever his self-descriptions re politics and religion doesn't amount to anything meaningful at all.
 
Anders Behring Breivik Identified As Suspect In Norway Shooting

This is the most recent info I have viewed. He self-identified as Christian, conservative, and nationalist. He is connected to the Oslo bombings.

Norway is in my prayers right now. The details of the events are intense... especially how he gunned down children at a camp.

All things aside, this was obviously a very disturbed individual. I can only speak for myself, but the gravity of this transcends mere politics.
 
Oberon said:
Or maybe he's just mentally ill, and whatever his self-descriptions re politics and religion doesn't amount to anything meaningful at all.
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Of course he is mentally ill on some level.. he murdered 94+ people, but all terrorists are mentally ill on some level when they think killing innocent people can be at all justified. But that does not change the fact of his motives and what drove him to it..... when that information comes out and is confirmed of course.

It is also now being reported (unconfirmed) on Sky News that he did have links to right wing extremists groups.
 
PeteEU said:
Of course he is mentally ill on some level.. he murdered 94+ people, but all terrorists are mentally ill on some level when they think killing innocent people can be at all justified. But that does not change the fact of his motives and what drove him to it..... when that information comes out and is confirmed of course.

It is also now being reported (unconfirmed) on Sky News that he did have links to right wing extremists groups.
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This is probably one of the deadliest shooting sprees in history...
 
But that does not change the fact of his motives and what drove him to it.
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If he were mentally ill, then his mental illness is what drove him to it, not religion or politics. Left wing nuts also shoot people and plant bombs.
 
Oberon said:
If he were mentally ill, then his mental illness is what drove him to it, not religion or politics. Left wing nuts also shoot people and plant bombs.
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I disagree. A mental ill person has some sort of twisted motive when they go off the rail.. it might be aliens implanting probes or it might be extreme right wing /left wing political views that said person wants to act out....
 
PeteEU said:
I disagree.
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That's fine.

A mental ill person has some sort of twisted motive when they go off the rail.. it might be aliens implanting probes or it might be extreme right wing /left wing political views that said person wants to act out....
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Well, it's a chicken or egg type of issue in that context. I think the mental illness comes first in these cases, and leads to the attractiveness of extremism for these people.
 
PeteEU said:
I disagree. A mental ill person has some sort of twisted motive when they go off the rail.. it might be aliens implanting probes or it might be extreme right wing /left wing political views that said person wants to act out....
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I think he is disturbed, but I would not call him mentally ill. He had a very logical reason behind what he did and although I vehemently disagree with him, he demonstrated a structured understanding. He was even quoting philosophers on Twitter.

Call him insane is trying to bring conveniently explanations to something that maybe most of us just don't full understand.

In any case... he is obviously a danger to society and needs to be put away.
 
Temporal said:
Anders Behring Breivik Identified As Suspect In Norway Shooting

This is the most recent info I have viewed. He self-identified as Christian, conservative, and nationalist. He is connected to the Oslo bombings.

Norway is in my prayers right now. The details of the events are intense... especially how he gunned down children at a camp.

All things aside, this was obviously a very disturbed individual. I can only speak for myself, but the gravity of this transcends mere politics.
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment that it is horrific that these kids were killed I'm afraid that the gravity does not transcend politics. The dead cannot be helped now, their friends and families will be helped by the appropriate government agencies, their friends and families and the sense of unity from the grief that will grip Norway in the coming months.

What concerns me is that once again people will distance themselves from the actions of this man in order to dissociate themselves from his apparently "psychotic" actions. He is not different from us, there are and were similar people all over the World who have carried out mass murders in the name of whatever social/political nirvana they have been brainwashed into believing. These people would have been perfectly ordinary until they became "inhuman"; child soldiers in Africa, Yugoslavia during the civil war, South American "Death Squads" and on, and on.
 
Temporal said:
I think he is disturbed, but I would not call him mentally ill. He had a very logical reason behind what he did and although I vehemently disagree with him, he demonstrated a structured understanding. He was even quoting philosophers on Twitter.

Call him insane is trying to bring conveniently explanations to something that maybe most of us just don't full understand.

In any case... he is obviously a danger to society and needs to be put away.
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Calling him insane is a convenient label that especially the right uses to describe one of their own doing terror. It is nothing but an excuse. Look at the guy who shot the congresswoman... he was clearly an anti-government nut, which is a right wing policy, and yet the right have managed to label him as a lone crazy man... and I have no doubt that they will try (as we have already seen in this thread) to blame others or say he is a lone crazy while not bringing attention to the very real fact that his targets were political motivated and that his online profiles and what we know, clearly (so far) show a right wing Christian fundamentalist nationalist. The fact that he targeted the seat of government first and then went after a left wing children's retreat, clearly shows a political motive.

We should not hide the facts, regardless if it is a left wing, right wing, Islamic or martian doing the damage. It does nothing to route out the fanatics among us on both sides and that is something we must do.
 
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PeteEU said:
Calling him insane is a convenient label that especially the right uses to describe one of their own doing terror. It is nothing but an excuse. Look at the guy who shot the congresswoman... he was clearly an anti-government nut, which is a right wing policy, and yet the right have managed to label him as a lone crazy man... and I have no doubt that they will try (as we have already seen in this thread) to blame others or say he is a lone crazy while not bringing attention to the very real fact that his targets were political motivated.
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Mental illness is medically identified, it ain't something that is decided by one's actions alone. The nutjob who shot the congresswoman I believe was actually mentally ill and was identified as such by the doctors who have examined him. I don't think anyone can declare whether this Norwegian butcher is mentally ill or not just from hearing what he did and I'm sure that if he is mentally ill it will be mentioned by the Norwegian authorities eventually.
 
Apocalypse said:
Mental illness is medically identified, it ain't something that is decided by one's actions alone. The nutjob who shot the congresswoman I believe was actually mentally ill and was identified as such by the doctors who have examined him. I don't think anyone can declare whether this Norwegian butcher is mentally ill or not just from hearing what he did and I'm sure that if he is mentally ill it will be mentioned by the Norwegian authorities eventually.
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It is nothing but a convenient excuse. Were the 9/11 hijakers, McVeigh and co, the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building also mentally ill and not motivated by politics?
 
this is just horrible.

thoughts are with all those affected.
 
PeteEU said:
It is nothing but a convenient excuse. Were the 9/11 hijakers, McVeigh and co, the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building also mentally ill and not motivated by politics?
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Mentally ill and driven by hate (so called politics). Mutual exclusivity, in this regard, is unreasonable. One must take politics (read: ideology) down to a mentally ill level to engage in such organized activity. When it comes to terrorist expression we must separate the practical necessity to act from the philosophical necessity to understand, and act first.
 
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ecofarm said:
Mentally ill and driven by hate (so called politics). Mutual exclusivity, in this regard, is unreasonable. One must take politics (read: ideology) down to a mentally ill level to engage in such organized activity. When it comes to terrorist expression we must separate the practical necessity to act from the philosophical necessity to understand, and act first.
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Severe mental illness tends toward disorganisation, which rather undermines your case.
 
PerfectStorm said:
Police: At least 2 killed in Oslo bombing - On Deadline - USATODAY.com
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The crazy Breivik is not a Conservative or Christian Right - Wing, but a Freemason!It is a Provocation against all Christians or Conservatives because Right - Wings need only Political Way, not Terrorism!

The alleged offender is a member of the John lodge St. Olaus TD Three pillars of the Norwegian Masonic Order. He has 3 degree status, where the peak is ten degrees. – We have no way to express an opinion on individuals or incidents related to any members, said spokesman of the Norwegian Freemasons order Helge Qvigstad told Dagbladet. On a Facebook profile appears to be 32-year-old Christian and politically conservative. As favorite books provide the man behind the profile including George Orwell’s “1984″ and Kafka’s “process”.
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The full story:

Illuminati-Freemason Mind Controled Slave Anders Behring Breivik Identified As Suspect In Norway Shooting*|*Truth Frequency News
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Severe mental illness tends toward disorganisation, which rather undermines your case.
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Oh sure, because terrorists are so organized. In 20 years, they've managed to crash a few planes and some bombs in public places. Wooo, they must be masterminds of concerted action to have organized as a scattered string of sacred tents across the heart of darkness. And they are all but impotent in the west, ask anyone who sees a problem with TSA or the Patriot Act. Real wizards of getting things done, those terrorists are. They've got us right where they want us. I heard IKW (International Kill Westie) was gonna be a party in the UK's next election.




Oberon said:
Or maybe he's just mentally ill, and whatever his self-descriptions re politics and religion doesn't amount to anything meaningful at all.
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This.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Mental illness is medically identified, it ain't something that is decided by one's actions alone. The nutjob who shot the congresswoman I believe was actually mentally ill and was identified as such by the doctors who have examined him. I don't think anyone can declare whether this Norwegian butcher is mentally ill or not just from hearing what he did and I'm sure that if he is mentally ill it will be mentioned by the Norwegian authorities eventually.
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Mental illness is rarely detected unless specifically sought by medical personel. In any case, stalking and shooting down teenagers is certainly indicative of sociopathic and/or pyschopathic pathology. At what stage, and what caused the tip over the edge into loss of restraint is only a matter of curiosity and later statistical significance at this point.
 
Last report this morning has the death toll of at 84. Yes, no psychotic anger issues here ...
 
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