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'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

6 senators push bipartisan plan to cut deficit - The Denver Post

The tax reform outline would set up three income tax rates—a bottom rate of 8-12 percent; a middle rate of 14-22 percent; and a top rate of 23-29 percent—to replace the current system that has a bottom rate of 10 percent with five additional rates, topping out at 35 percent.

It would reduce but not eliminate tax breaks on mortgage interest, higher-cost health plans, charitable deductions, retirement savings like individual retirement accounts and tax-free savings accounts known as 401(k)s and tax credits for families with children.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059666978 said:
Didn't the democrats reject Obama's budget proposal?
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No, it was replaced with Obama's proposal to cut $3 of spending for every $1 increase in revenues.
 
ptif219 said:
Obama has been doing that. You can not blame the GOP because Obama will not compromise
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"Obama will not compromise"!!!!!

I do not know what news you watch but........... oh wait ...... never mind.
 
ptif219 said:
Obama has been doing that. You can not blame the GOP because Obama will not compromise
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The Democrats & Obama offered $4 trillion in spending cuts & tax-increases. GOP said "no".

The GOP says "no" to any tax-increases OR closing tax-loopholes.

who exactly, isn't willing to compromise?
 
haymarket said:
"Obama will not compromise"!!!!!

I do not know what news you watch but........... oh wait ...... never mind.
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Show me an Obama plan or where he is willing to compromise. It must have specific figures.
 
Thunder said:
The Democrats & Obama offered $4 trillion in spending cuts & tax-increases. GOP said "no".

The GOP says "no" to any tax-increases OR closing tax-loopholes.

who exactly, isn't willing to compromise?
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Show me that plan and the specific of the cuts
 
ptif219 said:
Show me an Obama plan or where he is willing to compromise. It must have specific figures.
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Obama offered a plan that cuts trillions in spending, and adds $1 trillion in new taxes.

the GOP said no.

the GOP says no..to everything with Obama's name on it.
 
Thunder said:
Obama offered a plan that cuts trillions in spending, and adds $1 trillion in new taxes.

the GOP said no.

the GOP says no..to everything with Obama's name on it.
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Show me that plan and the specific numbers that create those projections
 
Thunder said:
Obama offered a plan that cuts trillions in spending, and adds $1 trillion in new taxes.

the GOP said no.

the GOP says no..to everything with Obama's name on it.
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Maybe he should change his name. :mrgreen:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/us/politics/14obama.html

President Obama made the case Wednesday for slowing the rapid growth of the national debt while retaining core Democratic values, proposing a mix of long-term spending cuts, tax increases and changes to social welfare programs as his opening position in a fierce partisan budget battle over the nation’s fiscal challenges.

Mr. Obama said he would meet his $4 trillion deficit-reduction target by cutting spending across a range of government programs, from farm subsidies to federal pension insurance.
 
Thunder said:
Obama, GOP trade debt plan demands - Yahoo! News

The White House says Obama has agreed to roughly $1.7 trillion in spending cuts and wants tax increases to fill out the rest of a plan to increase the debt ceiling long enough to get the country through 2012, when Obama and most lawmakers are up for re-election.
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Another words Obama wants this issue gone for the election. So Obama is playing politics
 
Thunder said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/us/politics/14obama.html

President Obama made the case Wednesday for slowing the rapid growth of the national debt while retaining core Democratic values, proposing a mix of long-term spending cuts, tax increases and changes to social welfare programs as his opening position in a fierce partisan budget battle over the nation’s fiscal challenges.

Mr. Obama said he would meet his $4 trillion deficit-reduction target by cutting spending across a range of government programs, from farm subsidies to federal pension insurance.
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Still no specifics of where the cuts are and how much or where he is raising taxes and how much. This is a speech not a plan
 
ptif219 said:
Still no specifics of where the cuts are and how much or where he is raising taxes and how much. This is a speech not a plan
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Since you have not bothered to look at Obama's deficit reduction plan, you naturally assume it does not exist?

Policy Highlights.

The policy highlights in the President’s framework build on the down-payment included in his FY 2012 Budget. They include:

* Non-security discretionary spending: The President is proposing to build on the savings from the FY 2011 budget agreement, while investing in key drivers of economic growth like energy innovation, education, and infrastructure. This would entail cutting non-security discretionary spending to levels consistent with the Fiscal Commission, saving $770 billion by 2023.
* Security spending: The President’s framework will go beyond the Fiscal Year 2012 Budget to achieve deeper reductions in security spending. It sets a goal of holding the growth in base security spending below inflation, while ensuring our capacity to meet our national security responsibilities, which would save $400 billion by 2023.
* Health care: The President’s framework builds on the Affordable Care Act by including new reforms aimed at further reducing the growth of health care spending – a major driver of long-term deficits. The President opposes any plan that would simply shift costs to seniors and the vulnerable by undermining Medicare and Medicaid. Building on the foundation of the historic deficit reduction achieved through the Affordable Care Act, the framework would save an additional $340 billion by 2021, $480 billion by 2023, and at least an additional $1 trillion in the subsequent decade. These savings complement the new patient safety initiative that could lower Medicare costs by another $50 billion over the next decade by providing better care. The President’s framework includes initiatives that will:
* Bend the long-term cost curve by setting a more ambitious target of holding Medicare cost growth per beneficiary to GDP per capita plus 0.5 percent beginning in 2018, through strengthening the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB).
* Make Medicaid more flexible, efficient and accountable without resorting to block granting the program, ending our partnership with States or reducing health care coverage for seniors in nursing homes, the most economically vulnerable and people with disabilities. Combined Medicaid savings of at least $100 billion over 10 years.
* Reduce Medicare’s excessive spending on prescription drugs and lower drug premiums for beneficiaries without shifting costs to seniors or privatizing Medicare. Combined Medicare savings of at least $200 billion over 10 years.
* Other mandatory spending: Outside of health care, comprehensive deficit reduction must include savings in other mandatory programs, including agricultural subsidies, the federal pension insurance system, and anti-fraud measures, while protecting and strengthening programs that serve low-income families and other vulnerable Americans. The President’s framework includes a target of $360 billion in savings from other mandatory programs by 2023.
* Tax reform: the President is calling for individual tax reform that closes loopholes and produces a system which is simpler, fairer and not rigged in favor of those who can afford lawyers and accountants to game it. The President supports the Fiscal Commission’s goal of reducing tax expenditures enough to both lower rates and lower the deficit.
* Social Security: The President does not believe that Social Security is in crisis nor is a driver of our near-term deficit problems. But, in the context of an aging population and a Social Security wage base that is declining as a share of overall earnings, Social Security faces long-term challenges that are better addressed sooner than later to ensure that the program remains for future generations the rock-solid benefit for older Americans that it has been for past generations. That is why the President supports bipartisan efforts to strengthen Social Security for the long haul. These efforts should be guided by several principles, including strengthening the program and not privatizing it, improving retirement security for the vulnerable while protecting people with disabilities and current beneficiaries, and not slashing benefits for future generations."

See further details at website:
FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility | The White House
 
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ptif219 said:
Still no specifics of where the cuts are and how much or where he is raising taxes and how much. This is a speech not a plan
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ah, so you totally deny that Obama is willing to cut spending....trillions of it?

wow.

:lol:
 
Catawba said:
Since you have not bothered to look at Obama's deficit reduction plan, you naturally assume it does not exist?

Policy Highlights.

The policy highlights in the President’s framework build on the down-payment included in his FY 2012 Budget. They include:

* Non-security discretionary spending: The President is proposing to build on the savings from the FY 2011 budget agreement, while investing in key drivers of economic growth like energy innovation, education, and infrastructure. This would entail cutting non-security discretionary spending to levels consistent with the Fiscal Commission, saving $770 billion by 2023.
* Security spending: The President’s framework will go beyond the Fiscal Year 2012 Budget to achieve deeper reductions in security spending. It sets a goal of holding the growth in base security spending below inflation, while ensuring our capacity to meet our national security responsibilities, which would save $400 billion by 2023.
* Health care: The President’s framework builds on the Affordable Care Act by including new reforms aimed at further reducing the growth of health care spending – a major driver of long-term deficits. The President opposes any plan that would simply shift costs to seniors and the vulnerable by undermining Medicare and Medicaid. Building on the foundation of the historic deficit reduction achieved through the Affordable Care Act, the framework would save an additional $340 billion by 2021, $480 billion by 2023, and at least an additional $1 trillion in the subsequent decade. These savings complement the new patient safety initiative that could lower Medicare costs by another $50 billion over the next decade by providing better care. The President’s framework includes initiatives that will:
* Bend the long-term cost curve by setting a more ambitious target of holding Medicare cost growth per beneficiary to GDP per capita plus 0.5 percent beginning in 2018, through strengthening the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB).
* Make Medicaid more flexible, efficient and accountable without resorting to block granting the program, ending our partnership with States or reducing health care coverage for seniors in nursing homes, the most economically vulnerable and people with disabilities. Combined Medicaid savings of at least $100 billion over 10 years.
* Reduce Medicare’s excessive spending on prescription drugs and lower drug premiums for beneficiaries without shifting costs to seniors or privatizing Medicare. Combined Medicare savings of at least $200 billion over 10 years.
* Other mandatory spending: Outside of health care, comprehensive deficit reduction must include savings in other mandatory programs, including agricultural subsidies, the federal pension insurance system, and anti-fraud measures, while protecting and strengthening programs that serve low-income families and other vulnerable Americans. The President’s framework includes a target of $360 billion in savings from other mandatory programs by 2023.
* Tax reform: the President is calling for individual tax reform that closes loopholes and produces a system which is simpler, fairer and not rigged in favor of those who can afford lawyers and accountants to game it. The President supports the Fiscal Commission’s goal of reducing tax expenditures enough to both lower rates and lower the deficit.
* Social Security: The President does not believe that Social Security is in crisis nor is a driver of our near-term deficit problems. But, in the context of an aging population and a Social Security wage base that is declining as a share of overall earnings, Social Security faces long-term challenges that are better addressed sooner than later to ensure that the program remains for future generations the rock-solid benefit for older Americans that it has been for past generations. That is why the President supports bipartisan efforts to strengthen Social Security for the long haul. These efforts should be guided by several principles, including strengthening the program and not privatizing it, improving retirement security for the vulnerable while protecting people with disabilities and current beneficiaries, and not slashing benefits for future generations."

See further details at website:
FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility | The White House
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Is this the budget that got no votes?
 
Thunder said:
ah, so you totally deny that Obama is willing to cut spending....trillions of it?

wow.

:lol:
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No I said where are the specifics? That was not a proposal that was a speech
 
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Thunder said:
the speech included his debt-relief proposal.

deny it if you like.
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More Obama bull**** speeches... I don't deny that at all.
 
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