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Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

It isn't in scale, but it is in reaction and types of consequences to said reaction.

Reaction of consequences to said reaction is no longer a valid analogy.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Exactly. If you hate whites and make it a point to attack every white person you see, that's pre-meditated. You deserve a harsher penalty than someone who gets into a fight and accidently kills a person.

Let's say one serial rapist targets black women. Another one just targets women in general. Is one more pre-meditated than the other? Is one more guilty than the other? Should one get a harsher sentence?
Rape is rape.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

..having a "record" means conviction. :prof

oh really? the police don't keep a record of your arrests? only convictions?

hmmm......I'm gonna check on this little beauty.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Reaction of consequences to said reaction is no longer a valid analogy.
Eh. If X is attacked by Y and X taunts Y, then X is stupid. It works for both situations so the analogy is valid.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

What an utter failure of an analogy. It's nothing like that at all.

They are both examples of inappropriate bravado that resulted in more violence than would have occured otherwise.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

I don't like "Hate crime" legislation as a general rule. A crime is a crime is a crime. However, here is a case that common sense says "Yeah, race mattered here". Sad really this requires "investigation"

Yes, how sad that this is being investigated. They should just take the first group of blacks they see and string them up - no investigation, no trial.:roll:
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Yes, how sad that this is being investigated. They should just take the first group of blacks they see and string them up - no investigation, no trial.:roll:

Are you purposely being obtuse to the point being made or just felt like race baiting a cheap shot?
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

What makes this story different from countless others like it?
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

This sort of crap happens a dozen times a day, all over the country. I doubt race had anything to do with it, beyond 4 punks looking for a victim using it to intimidate 1 guy alone, looking to be victimized.

I am not a fan of hate-legislation. Murder, mayhem, rape, all are hate crimes and have nothing to do with race per se. Punishments should be based on the crime, not on some fatalistic speculation of what the criminal's motive might be. It's crazy. The motive is "I hate you because you rejected my advances, die bitch" and the guy gets a lighter sentence than if the motive is "I hate you because you're white, die bitch." That's absolutely nuts.

Got no use for hate-crimes legislation at all.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

This sort of crap happens a dozen times a day, all over the country. I doubt race had anything to do with it, beyond 4 punks looking for a victim using it to intimidate 1 guy alone, looking to be victimized.

I am not a fan of hate-legislation. Murder, mayhem, rape, all are hate crimes and have nothing to do with race per se. Punishments should be based on the crime, not on some fatalistic speculation of what the criminal's motive might be. It's crazy. The motive is "I hate you because you rejected my advances, die bitch" and the guy gets a lighter sentence than if the motive is "I hate you because you're white, die bitch." That's absolutely nuts.

Got no use for hate-crimes legislation at all.
Motive is always relevant in a crime - it's the difference between Murder 1 and Murder 2, so it's not anymore speculation than goes into any other case - the prosecution has to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. For your second point: a hate crime has more potential and actual societal effects than a non-hate crime, therefore non-hate crimes and hate crimes are hardly the same thing.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

It should be legal to beat up goth kids.

*crosses arms*
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Yes, how sad that this is being investigated. They should just take the first group of blacks they see and string them up - no investigation, no trial.:roll:

What?? Do you REALLY think that's what I posted this for??

SERIOUSLY? /boggle
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

What?? Do you REALLY think that's what I posted this for??

SERIOUSLY? /boggle

Don't even bother dude.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Are you purposely being obtuse to the point being made or just felt like race baiting a cheap shot?

Calm down, champ. I'm not race baiting. The OP thinks this shouldn't be investigated. So he must want these guys jailed without a trial. What other conclusion can I come to? Besides, this is Mr.Vicchio we're talking about.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

The guy appears to be a Goth, and was possibly dressed funny and had silly piercings. I bet that was part of the motivation for the attack.

This almost sounds like you are trying to justify it.....
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

This almost sounds like you are trying to justify it.....

Well, tolerance only goes so far you see. Some can tolerate different skin color but not different lifestyles. It doesn't mean we have to agree with them... but apparently goths are asking for it, or maybe it was because of the piercings and that was asking for it. At least that's what I read in Thunder's post.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Well, tolerance only goes so far you see. Some can tolerate different skin color but not different lifestyles. It doesn't mean we have to agree with them... but apparently goths are asking for it, or maybe it was because of the piercings and that was asking for it. At least that's what I read in Thunder's post.
No, that's what you projected onto Thunder's post.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

No, that's what you projected onto Thunder's post.

Not when I read it in English.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

No, that's what you projected onto Thunder's post.

Well then..... I guess I have to ask the obvious question... *clears throat*

WHAT THE **** DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE WAS WEARING OR WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

there... I feel better now...
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Not when I read it in English.

Thunder was saying that his "gothness" played a part in the guy getting beaten up and assaulted. At least from what I'm reading, nowhere did he imply that the dude asked for it.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Well then..... I guess I have to ask the obvious question... *clears throat*

WHAT THE **** DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE WAS WEARING OR WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

there... I feel better now...
Where does he say that it "matters"? All I saw was speculation on motive. I didn't realize speculating on motive was the same thing as "not tolerating people of different lifestyles". Oh well - better tell all the detectives and lawyers out there.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Goths look silly, draw attention to themselves based on their clothes, make-up, and piercings.

that may have had something to do with his being attacked.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Well then..... I guess I have to ask the obvious question... *clears throat*

WHAT THE **** DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE WAS WEARING OR WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

there... I feel better now...

I dunno, crazy people beat the crap out of people who are different from them? Not sayin it's right, but it happens.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Not when I read it in English.
Well the post you quoted was far shorter than your interpretation of it and it didn't include any of the arguments that you attributed to it, so it's safe to say that you were projecting.
 
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