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Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

You don't understand compromise, do you?

To be willing to compromise doesn't mean that everything is on the table. Obama offered a good compromise, the Republicans are the ones who refused.
Is this the same President who told them they could sit in the back seat while he and his party passed the most expensive stim-u-less bill in history (ineffective), a massive jobs bill (ineffective), the largest entitlement since medicare, and a massive tax increase to pay for some of it?

Now that we have trillion dollar deficits and a debt crisis, he thinks Republicans are being unreasonable in wanting to pare down spending, blames the debt on greedy rich folks, and has the gall to demand comprimise?
 
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I can't condemn Obama for threatening old people, so I'll just ignore it.

So it's a fear tactic to suggest that not raising the debt ceiling might cause us to default, it's a fear tactic to suggest that it might cause us to not pay our soldiers, and it's a fear tactic to suggest that it might jeopardize the entitlements of the elderly. So let's try it this way: Where do YOU suggest we find 43% of our budget to eliminate in the next three weeks? (Hint: cutting NPR funding doesn't quite get you there.)
 
I just counted all my pills to make sure I have enough to get threw next month.
 
So it's a fear tactic to suggest that not raising the debt ceiling might cause us to default, it's a fear tactic to suggest that it might cause us to not pay our soldiers, and it's a fear tactic to suggest that it might jeopardize the entitlements of the elderly. So let's try it this way: Where do YOU suggest we find 43% of our budget to eliminate in the next three weeks? (Hint: cutting NPR funding doesn't quite get you there.)

Is it actually a fear tactic if he's actually speaking the truth?
 
Never mind. You're clueless and hopeless. I'd be better off talking to a dining room table.
Wait.. wait... you REALLY think that:

The GOP isn't willing to back off of a position - so they're resuding to comprimise..
...but...
The Dems aren't willing to back off a position - but they're WILLING to comprimise?

Better not have a go at that dining room table - it might argue you into a corner...
 
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You don't understand compromise, do you?
To be willing to compromise doesn't mean that everything is on the table.
So.... according to the above, how is the GOP unwilling to comprimise?
 
Is it actually a fear tactic if he's actually speaking the truth?

Nope. Obama is absolutely correct that he can't pay all of our bills. If certain conservatives (who are ostensibly in favor of gutting entitlements anyway...at least when it's politically convenient) view that as a "scare tactic," then they need to put up or shut up. They need to figure out which 43% of the budget they think we can eliminate in the next three weeks. Because so far, I've heard every possible solution labeled as a "scare tactic," as though they think we can just suddenly cut 43% of the budget without any programs actually being affected.

Here is what we spend our money on. It is mathematically impossible for us to balance that budget in the next three weeks without deep cuts into one or more programs that some people are condemning as "scare tactics" to even contemplate cutting.

Defense: 25%
Health care: 23%
Social security: 21%
Debt interest: 5%
Everything else: 26%

Amount we would need to cut if the debt ceiling isn't raised: 43%


It's definitely scary, but it doesn't qualify as "scare tactics" since what Obama is saying is absolutely true. We can't simultaneously pay the debt interest, pay our soldiers, fund our entitlements, and balance the budget in the next three weeks. If certain posters cannot grasp that, it's because they're either uninformed or dishonest. This isn't even a matter of opinion, it's a matter of mathematical fact.
 
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Nope. Obama is absolutely correct that he can't pay all of our bills. If certain conservatives (who are ostensibly in favor of gutting entitlements anyway...at least when it's politically convenient) view that as a "scare tactic," then they need to put up or shut up. They need to figure out which 43% of the budget they think we can eliminate in the next two weeks.
Reduce the spending on everything by 43%.
SocSec - cut benefits 43%
Medicare - cut benefits 43%
Etc and so on.

After the debt service is paid, we still have >$2T in revenue. It's not like there isn't ANY money.
 
Reduce the spending on everything by 43%.
SocSec - cut benefits 43%
Medicare - cut benefits 43%
Etc and so on.

After the debt service is paid, we still have >$2T in revenue. It's not like there isn't ANY money.

I suspect that if Obama announced that we were going to do exactly that, in the absence of a debt ceiling hike, many conservatives here and elsewhere would fall all over themselves to condemn him for "scare tactics" again. We'll see how well 43% cuts on everything sit with the American people and if they actually have the stomach for that. My guess: It would be less than 24 hours into such a standoff before the Republicans caved.
 
As I understand it he will have the economic version of the line item veto pen if the ceiling isn't raised. So I'm not expecting any conservative favored debts to be priority.
 
Obama decides who gets paid and who doesn’t, if worse comes to worse it wouldn’t surprise me if he threw seniors under the bus to get reelected, after all, he threw his own granny under the bus to get elected.
 
The choice is not raise the debt limit or cut everything 43% someone is falling for the hype.

The President will not be in control of the cuts - that will still remain with the Congress.
 
So if seniors don't get a check on the 3rd does that mean that we can blame Obama? After all, Obama decides who gets paid and who doesn't....right?

I'm going to blame the Republicans, period. Forever and always. The Party of No.
 
Thank you. I was just going to say that. I can't believe our government is doing this. I'm rather sickened right now at everyone involved but mainly the Tea Party, the Republican party and anyone who believes its okay to have companies like GE not paying income taxes and instead feel its ok that elderly who paid into the system can't have their ss checks.

GE doesn't pay income taxes? Do you have any clue about corporate tax issues?
 
I'm going to blame the Republicans, period. Forever and always. The Party of No.

Oh what a surprise that statement is ... I can't recall seeing a post where you didn't blame Republicans

They aren't the party of no ... why I remember when the democrats voted to extend the tax cuts ... the republicans agreed with them ..
 
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So Democrats hold absolutely no blame what so ever?

They showed up with deep cuts, $3 for every $1 they were asking so actually? In this instance? No. I do not blame them.

That does not render them blameless. I'm talking about this specific issue we've been dealing with for the past many weeks.
 
They showed up with deep cuts, $3 for every $1 they were asking so actually? In this instance? No. I do not blame them.

That does not render them blameless. I'm talking about this specific issue we've been dealing with for the past many weeks.

And after the elections and before the temp debt ceiling raise Republicans wanted over 2 trillion in cuts. What happened then?
 
They showed up with deep cuts, $3 for every $1 they were asking so actually? In this instance? No. I do not blame them.

That does not render them blameless. I'm talking about this specific issue we've been dealing with for the past many weeks.

Lets see them......

......the list of those (D)eep cuts.
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I suspect that if Obama announced that we were going to do exactly that, in the absence of a debt ceiling hike, many conservatives here and elsewhere would fall all over themselves to condemn him for "scare tactics" again. We'll see how well 43% cuts on everything sit with the American people and if they actually have the stomach for that. My guess: It would be less than 24 hours into such a standoff before the Republicans caved.
You noted that I did figure out how to eliminate 43% of the spending, as you asked - right?
 
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