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Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

Go take a business course? Yeah right, that just means you drink from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep. Business majors are easy mode.

Another uncertain is the fact that we STILL DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. And that's the Republocrats fault.

WHAT?

The GOP PRESENTED a Budget. The Dem's held the House AND SENATE for TWO YEARS and failed to present a budget.

Go smoke some more left wing tripe Ikari, that might fly with the uninformed, but not with folks that pay any attention at all to what's going on.
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House passes GOP budget plan for 2012 - The Washington Post

By Paul Kane and Philip Rucker, Published: April 15
House Republicans approved a budget on Friday that would fundamentally alter Medicare and Medicaid, lower taxes on individuals and corporations and cut $4.4 trillion from the nation’s deficit over the next decade.

With its passing, Republicans have officially put forth their vision for reducing the nation’s debt and defining how the federal government fits into people’s lives. It’s a sharply different approach from the one outlined by President Obama on Wednesday, setting up months of clashes between the two parties over a number of critical fiscal issues.

Lies, it's all you've Got Ikari.
 
WHAT?

The GOP PRESENTED a Budget. The Dem's held the House AND SENATE for TWO YEARS and failed to present a budget.

Go smoke some more left wing tripe Ikari, that might fly with the uninformed, but not with folks that pay any attention at all to what's going on.
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House passes GOP budget plan for 2012 - The Washington Post



Lies, it's all you've Got Ikari.

Dumbass comments and arguments is all you got. Obama presented the Republicans with one of their original plans, but they too denied it. Now it's just cry cry cry on either side and nothing gets done. Thanks for nothing.
 
Dumbass comments and arguments is all you got. Obama presented the Republicans with one of their original plans, but they too denied it. Now it's just cry cry cry on either side and nothing gets done. Thanks for nothing.

Obama presented an outline with no specifics, didn't that go down 97-0 in the Senate? Yeah, yeah it did. Try again Ikari.
 
We can. The question should be why? I may be ok with raising taxes if the additional revenue went entirely to pay down the debt. The feds like many States cannot continue to spend at the level they are doing it. Don't you think the Feds should have a balanced budget? Part of that budget should be the debt payment. This is no different than many citizens that have to balance the home budget which includes loan obligations (home,car,etc). The govt., like people should not live beyond their means.

My husband and I talked about this last night and wondered about it. If President Obama and the congress came out and said....we are raising taxes by such and such amount, these taxes (by law) can only be spent to pay down the deficit... how many of people would be ok with that???
 
Go take a business course? Yeah right, that just means you drink from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep. Business majors are easy mode.

Another uncertain is the fact that we STILL DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. And that's the Republocrats fault.

They won't compromise and will blame the democrats and Obama and for some reason the people will buy it hook, line and sinker.
 
Obama presented an outline with no specifics, didn't that go down 97-0 in the Senate? Yeah, yeah it did. Try again Ikari.

Nah.

Obama presented a budget earlier in the year. An actual budget.

Then, after Ryan's budget, Obama offered a counter-proposal...an outline, as you call it, not yet formed into legislation.

The GOP wanted a vote on the first budget, although Obama's second counter-proposal basically invalidated it. Political theater to offer a talking point to people like you. The vote went down, and obviously no one voted for it because it was no longer what Obama and the Dems were presenting.
 
Because the future is uncertain. Obamacare, tax hikes... you don't start hiring and spending without knowing what future costs are going to be.

Business 101, go take a course and get back to us.

The future is always uncertain.

Giving the supply side more money is no guarantee that the demand side will increase.
 
Yeah, so where are the jobs then? Businesses are sitting on record profits.



Why in writing from the Democrats? A Republican president and Congress are what UN-balanced the budget after Clinton left office.

Because the Democrats are playing rope a dope.
 
Let's go into default. I want everyone in the House, Senate, and White House to be gone and I can't think of a better way of doing it than letting them drive our country into another recession. In every crisis there is opportunity and I see this as an opportunity to do some major house cleaning. I want to see people who put ideology ahead of the welfare of our country kicked out so that we can elect a more moderate and pragmatic set of leaders.
 
I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
no dice, we need to do both
 
I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.

Ummm, you're joking, right? Since when have Reps "caved" to Dems? They've said 'no' to practically everything Dems have proposed. They've even backed away from their own proposals after Obama endorsed them. McConnell's single most important goal is to see that Obama is a one term president. He actually said that. Remember? After the health care act was passed, McCain folded his arms, stomped his feet, crapped his Depends and said that Republicans would block everything. Does that sound like a party that's into compromising?

They were defeated. Plain and simple. Partly due to their own overreach. Partly due to Obama's and his advisors' superior political skill. Republicans look like complete fools.
 
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mike2810 said:
If the Bush rates are so bad. Why did the likes of Pelosi take advantage of them instead of contributing what they consider their fair share?

How does the latter disprove the former, exactly? Or are you just mudslinging and obfuscating?

Ockam said:
Because the Democrats are playing rope a dope.

So are the Republicans. It's a game of political chicken, and we're in the passengers' seats.

Personally, I haven't seen a single legitimate argument against raising taxes by conservatives. All I've seen from them is "We have a budget deficit, ergo we have a spending problem." Guess what? A balanced budget means that one balances one's income with one's expenditures. That means that the deficit could be reduced by either spending cuts, tax increases or a combination of both. This, obviously, then, is not an argument at all. Yet they keep on repeating it as if it has meaning (see Vicchio's idiotic posts in this thread for example).

I have a feeling that once we get closer to the date we'll see the pressure from lobbyists and the economy take effect and these good old boys will pass a budget.
 
How does the latter disprove the former, exactly? Or are you just mudslinging and obfuscating?



So are the Republicans. It's a game of political chicken, and we're in the passengers' seats.

Personally, I haven't seen a single legitimate argument against raising taxes by conservatives. All I've seen from them is "We have a budget deficit, ergo we have a spending problem." Guess what? A balanced budget means that one balances one's income with one's expenditures. That means that the deficit could be reduced by either spending cuts, tax increases or a combination of both. This, obviously, then, is not an argument at all. Yet they keep on repeating it as if it has meaning (see Vicchio's idiotic posts in this thread for example).

I have a feeling that once we get closer to the date we'll see the pressure from lobbyists and the economy take effect and these good old boys will pass a budget.

I agree. I believe it will come down to the last minute. What a great summer, don't ya think?
 
How does the latter disprove the former, exactly? Or are you just mudslinging and obfuscating?



So are the Republicans. It's a game of political chicken, and we're in the passengers' seats.

Personally, I haven't seen a single legitimate argument against raising taxes by conservatives. All I've seen from them is "We have a budget deficit, ergo we have a spending problem." Guess what? A balanced budget means that one balances one's income with one's expenditures. That means that the deficit could be reduced by either spending cuts, tax increases or a combination of both. This, obviously, then, is not an argument at all. Yet they keep on repeating it as if it has meaning (see Vicchio's idiotic posts in this thread for example).

I have a feeling that once we get closer to the date we'll see the pressure from lobbyists and the economy take effect and these good old boys will pass a budget.

Here's one reason for not raising taxes. Tax increases in this economy will cause unemployment to rise. In the oil industry, instead of raising taxes, offshore drilling would boost revenue. Drilling would produce new jobs and generate billions in economic growth.

If taxes are raised congress will only spend it. How much do you think would go toward debt reduction? It's like feeding a giant, out of control, spending spree with your money.

I personally want to see Obama stop payment on several social security payments like he has stated. Think that will bode well for the incumbent in an upcoming election year?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059649980 said:
Here's one reason for not raising taxes. Tax increases in this economy will cause unemployment to rise. In the oil industry, instead of raising taxes, offshore drilling would boost revenue. Drilling would produce new jobs and generate billions in economic growth.

If taxes are raised congress will only spend it. How much do you think would go toward debt reduction? It's like feeding a giant, out of control, spending spree with your money.

I personally want to see Obama stop payment on several social security payments like he has stated. Think that will bode well for the incumbent in an upcoming election year?

No. But nor do I wish to see seniors crashing and burning to make a point.
 
Since when have Reps "caved" to Dems?

According to the Tea Partiers, compromise = "caving." To the most strident, having a civil conversation with a Democrat or saying anything nice about one makes someone a "RINO."
 
no dice, we need to do both

The federal government takes in a whole lot of money each year and yet can't even manage a budget.

Wouldn't it be prudent to ask why they need more money, where they intend to spend it, and why they didn't plan ahead?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059649997 said:
Neither do I but Obama threatened it, not me.

He wasn't threatening. He was stating facts.
 
According to the Tea Partiers, compromise = "caving." To the most strident, having a civil conversation with a Democrat or saying anything nice about one makes someone a "RINO."

Maybe they feel they've already compromised their country into many trillions of dollars of debt.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059649997 said:
Neither do I but Obama threatened it, not me.

That wasn't a threat.
 
That wasn't a threat.

So if the government shuts down, there's money to pay other budget items, and he doesn't pay SS recipients, I'm sure you will be in the minority thinking his statement wasn't a threat.
 
No doubt. A threat has a possibility of actually happening.

Not necessarily...

Threat: a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course (dictionary.com).
 
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