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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Grant said:
The Democrats had the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress for TWO years and failed to pass a budget. Obama proposed his own goofy budget and it was defeated 97-0.

You want Republicans to pass a budget? Vote for them in the next election.
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The republicans had the presiduncy, the house, the senate and spending exploded, along with a doubling of the national debt.
 
coincidence and correlation are different things and inertia and momentum are factors the left often ignore
 
Grant said:
They'll do it for a number of reasons. If companies can make more money elsewhere, given the right opportunities and incentives, they'll move. That's just what people do as well.
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They do it to get cheap labor. Elitist rightwingers love cheap labor because they hate the working class
 
sangha said:
They do it to get cheap labor. Elitist rightwingers love cheap labor because they hate the working class
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more stupidity. where has anyone of the right stated they hated the working class. If anyone is despised by the right its those who are the non-working class who expect others to fund their existence.
 
sangha said:
Umm, when the US was formed, 100% of the voters paid no federal income taxes.
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and no one was sucking up the wealth of others as redistributed by the government. That you missed that fact is not surprising. the point was America was not based on a society where almost half of the population was sucking on the public tit
 
TurtleDude said:
you are not being honest many of those who are not paying federal income taxes have disposable income.
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Yes, those would be the ones that extra expenditures would throw into welfare. I prefer people working and paying all their other taxes than placing them on welfare, but that's just me.

And those with high incomes are paying a smaller effective tax than the working class. What is your point.
 
TurtleDude said:
the problem with this rant is that you make idiotic assumptions--I don't know any wealthy people who are against paying a fair share based on any OBJECTIVE assessment. right now the richest 1-5% of the population pay far more than their fair share based on any OBJECTIVE assessment

if you use share of income the top 1 percent pay almost 40% of the income tax burden (and almost all the death tax burden) yet make 22% of the income and certainly do not have 100% of the "estate" wealth

if its based on use of government services no one can honestly claim that 40% of what the income tax funds is directed to the top one percent

so the problem is your definition of "fair share" is a punitive amount that is neither honest nor realistic

so you Joe Hillesque psychobabble might resonate with those who are mad that they aren't rich but it has no objective reality
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the problem with rightwing rants is that they make idiotic assumptions--I don't know any wealthy rightwingers who are for paying a fair share based on any assessment. right now the richest 1-5% of the population pay far less than their fair share based on any OBJECTIVE assessment

Because they're so deluded by their corporate masters, the rightwing thinks that income taxes are the only taxes that exist. The rest of the population realizes that there are also capital gains, sales taxes, and corporate taxes, which the right never wants to talk about because they know how these taxes are slanted towards their corporate masters

if its based on use of government services no rightwinger can explain how to do this, even if they obsessively promote it at every opportunity. There's even a thread that invites the rightwingers to explain how this would work, and none of the wingnuts would stand up and support their own proposal.

so the problem is your definition of "fair share" is an apologia for the rich elitists who love to suck on the public teat

so your unhinged psychobabble might resonate with those who are mad that they dont own everything but it has no objective reality
 
TurtleDude said:
so you believe that none or even a few of the 47% who pay no income taxes or the 60% or so who are getting back more from the federal government than they pay in have no disposable income?
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I believe a few do. But i believe the vast majority do not...



I realize you are in Kansas
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I dont live in a farm or rural area i live in the City areas.

but you must have some depressed urban areas like we do in Cincinnati and Dayton
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Yes. Wichita, Hutchinson, KC/Wynadotte, and much rural areas as well...

and I have spent enough time in section 8 housing interviewing witnesses to see lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
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I agree crime and whatnot is a problem with are ****ed up tax system but do i agree but we can argue this all along about how we got here but that is a whole different story but i would say that the vast majority are struggling families who would much rather get out of here. And i always wonder about if 47% didnt pay any income tax there has to be at least one person on here that didnt pay an income tax, you should please share how you "broke the system" if that is the problem...

PS TurtleDude im still waiting on your reply about the estate ("death":scared: ) tax on here http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...ent-equals-more-freedom-5.html#post1059661440

Just interested ya dig?
 
Catawba said:
Yes, those would be the ones that extra expenditures would throw into welfare. I prefer people working and paying all their other taxes than placing them on welfare, but that's just me.

And those with high incomes are paying a smaller effective tax than the working class. What is your point.
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another lie-an article you posted several weeks ago from a woman in the NYT mentioned those making between 1-5 million a year paid the highest effective federal income tax rate
 
TurtleDude said:
what is silly is the context. for example in a trade meeting involving manufacturers of paper products "Kleenex" has a specific meaning relating to a specific brand. In a hotel room asking the maid to take a box of kleenex to a guest's room means something else. If you sell office equipment telling your orders clerk to get four xerox machines is very different than me telling my secretary to xerox an extra copy of the plaintiff's motion before I go to court. we use a different brand copier (I cannot recall) but everyone knows what it means to "xerox" something
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You've become so befuddled, you think we're talking about Kleenex? :roll:

No wonder the rightwingers can't balance a budget
 
TurtleDude said:
so you believe that none or even a few of the 47% who pay no income taxes or the 60% or so who are getting back more from the federal government than they pay in have no disposable income? I realize you are in Kansas but you must have some depressed urban areas like we do in Cincinnati and Dayton and I have spent enough time in section 8 housing interviewing witnesses to see lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
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They don't have enough disposable income to pay taxes. And anyone who thinks the poor have multiple cars and designer clothes is either delusional, or thinks that any black person with those things don't pay taxes.
 
sangha said:
You've become so befuddled, you think we're talking about Kleenex? :roll:

No wonder the rightwingers can't balance a budget
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another stupid post that ignores a point anyone with a room temperature IQ understands
 
TurtleDude said:
more stupidity. where has anyone of the right stated they hated the working class. If anyone is despised by the right its those who are the non-working class who expect others to fund their existence.
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You should re-read your own posts. Your post are larded with derogations of the working class
 
sangha said:
They don't have enough disposable income to pay taxes. And anyone who thinks the poor have multiple cars and designer clothes is either delusional, or thinks that any black person with those things don't pay taxes.
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if you can buy a cell phone a tv set or a car you have enough disposable income to pay at least some FIT

the funny bit is you are put in the position of claiming 47% of the population has no disposable income which is a bald faced lie
 
TurtleDude said:
and no one was sucking up the wealth of others as redistributed by the government. That you missed that fact is not surprising. the point was America was not based on a society where almost half of the population was sucking on the public tit
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And we had slaves too. And they were not on the public tit. I just visited Monticello. It would be so neat to live back then if I was T. Jefferson. I bet you think so too.
 
sangha said:
you are not being factual. many of those who are not paying federal income taxes have no disposable income
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Really?

What's the stats on this?

It seems there are a great many people disposing of their income quite regularly. Check out the fast food outlets, the bars and where the druggies operate.
 
TurtleDude said:
and no one was sucking up the wealth of others as redistributed by the government. That you missed that fact is not surprising. the point was America was not based on a society where almost half of the population was sucking on the public tit
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The wealthy are the biggest beneficiary of rightwing income redistribution. The point is that America was based on progressive values, and our economy was financed by a progressive tax system.
 
sangha said:
You should re-read your own posts. Your post are larded with derogations of the working class
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nah I tend to bash the people who whine about the rich and pander to the poor. most of those who whine about the rich on this board are not the poor (computers cost money) or the unfortunate but rather those who fancy themselves as intellectuals, well educated and "valuable" yet the market or their employer does not treat them as such. Hence their anger and spite
 
sangha said:
The wealthy are the biggest beneficiary of rightwing income redistribution. The point is that America was based on progressive values, and our economy was financed by a progressive tax system.
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Yet the lies keep on coming. "Progressive" as meaning opposed to the crown or a dictatorial centralized monarchy is very different than the perverted meaning which is a fancy way of dressing up the turd known as welfare socialism. our economy was the strongest in the world before the New Deal nonsense came along and "rightwing" income redistribution is a silly way of talking about mainly a somewhat free market.

rightwing income redistribution bothers the untalented and unproductive-and most of all those who pretend they are valuable and talented but not rewarded for their "skills" by "benighted" managers or corporations or the labor market.
 
TurtleDude said:
if you can buy a cell phone a tv set or a car you have enough disposable income to pay at least some FIT

the funny bit is you are put in the position of claiming 47% of the population has no disposable income which is a bald faced lie
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They do pay taxes. Do you really expect anyone to believe that you know who is paying taxes and who is not?
 
TurtleDude said:
nah I tend to bash the people who whine about the rich and pander to the poor. most of those who whine about the rich on this board are not the poor (computers cost money) or the unfortunate but rather those who fancy themselves as intellectuals, well educated and "valuable" yet the market or their employer does not treat them as such. Hence their anger and spite
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First off not all working class people are "poor"
Second off ever heard of internet cafes? Ever heard of a library? Ever heard of donated computers? Or i know a a couple of "poor" (impoverished) people that own computers...
 
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