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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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I believe you. Really!!

well feel free to PM captain courtesy

They don't like me telling people like you that if you don't think so feel free to bet me 10K and I will prove it and DP will be 10K richer from you
 
Care to be a little more specific?

There are various dynamics from the closure of the political system to the adoption of corporate capitalism endorsed by both sides which have led well to the decline of the middle class. But the Middle Class is not who the Republocrats are beholden to. This is best visible in the bailouts after the collapse. As soon as Wall Street and the Banks were hit, what happened? Government sprung into action, took our money, and gave it all to their buddies. This was supported on both sides of the isle. Now that their friends are out of the woods, and the rest of us are left dealing with the collapse at still over 9% unemployment; the government somehow is bogged down and can't come to an agreement which can serve the People.

The current state of affairs and status quo was not the work of just one of the main parties. Both have teeter-tottered through control enough times and they all work towards very similar goals and support the same people. It's time to put the blind partisanship behind us. The Republocrats are playing us for fools here, getting us to yell at each other and point fingers while nothing changes. Decades upon decades of Republocrat rule has led us to this place. The blinders need to come off and we need to see the system for what it is.

"I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy."
— Daniel Webster

Scary how right he was.
 
I live in upstate NY also. The economy has always sucked.

I live in NYC and know lots of folks from Rochester, Westchester, Rockland, Dutchess County, etc.

and yes, the upstate economy has been sucking for decades. Its part of the de-industrialization of the Northeast and Mid-West.
 
Oh really?? Recall the days of Jimmy Carter and double digit unemployment?? Or how about massive double digit inflation?? Or maybe the double digit interest rates?? Ahh the good old days of 1970s Democrat dominance.

Jimmy Carter didn't have double digit unemployment.
 
I don't see any proof of cause and effect

if it really existed I suspect a google guru like you would have posted it by now

Don't need to show cause and effect to refute the notion that tax cuts creates jobs, and causes economic growth. All I have to do is show that it has never happened.

Tax cuts also don't lower budget deficits or lower national debt
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well feel free to PM captain courtesy

They don't like me telling people like you that if you don't think so feel free to bet me 10K and I will prove it and DP will be 10K richer from you

how about $20. show us your degree from Yale for $20.
 
I live in NYC and know lots of folks from Rochester, Westchester, Rockland, Dutchess County, etc.

and yes, the upstate economy has been sucking for decades. Its part of the de-industrialization of the Northeast and Mid-West.

No thanks to LIBERALS and the assclown deadwood leeches that keep right on voting them in. Dale Voelker recently retored as State Senator for Cheektowaga after more than 35 years!!!
 
well feel free to PM captain courtesy

They don't like me telling people like you that if you don't think so feel free to bet me 10K and I will prove it and DP will be 10K richer from you

I believe you. And I believe the Capt. I believe everything everyone says on the internet.
 
Don't need to show cause and effect to refute the notion that tax cuts creates jobs, and causes economic growth. All I have to do is show that it has never happened.

Tax cuts also don't lower budget deficits or lower national debt
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Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg

dude, don't confuse them with the facts.
 
Don't need to show cause and effect to refute the notion that tax cuts creates jobs, and causes economic growth. All I have to do is show that it has never happened.

Tax cuts also don't lower budget deficits or lower national debt
Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg

Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg

you still don't get it

you have yet to prove your claim

you cannot prove cause and effect
 
No thanks to LIBERALS and the assclown deadwood leeches that keep right on voting them in. Dale Voelker recently retored as State Senator for Cheektowaga after more than 35 years!!!

Nope, it was Patakis' goal of destroying the economy that caused those losses
 
dude, don't confuse them with the facts.

what facts

I realize you don't understand that because two things happen at the same time it proves that one caused the other

as the rich's burden of the income tax load increases, so does the deficit so do you want to make a claim on that one

or the fact that the USA became a major debtor nation with the advent of affirmative action?
 
you still don't get it

you have yet to prove your claim

you cannot prove cause and effect

No, you don't get it.

After whinging about how tax cuts spur the economy, I have shown the rightwingers that the facts do not support THEIR claims

The rightwingers say tax cuts create jobs - the charts show they didn't
The rightwingers say tax cuts grow the economy- the charts show they didn't

If tax cuts create jobs, then where are the jobs? bush* cut taxes, and no jobs were created.
 
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what facts

I realize you don't understand that because two things happen at the same time it proves that one caused the other

as the rich's burden of the income tax load increases, so does the deficit so do you want to make a claim on that one

or the fact that the USA became a major debtor nation with the advent of affirmative action?

And you don't understand that "tax cuts create jobs" is completely refuted by the fact that jobs were not created
 
Hey Bassman, why are you ignoring my point that Jimmy Carter didn't have double digit unemployment? Didn't even reach 8% during his presidency, actually. You've mixed him up with Reagan I'm afraid.
 
..or the fact that the USA became a major debtor nation with the advent of affirmative action?

again, its fun watching Cons derail the debate.

hey Turtledude, can you show us any times in history where tax-cuts caused job-growth?

how about any times in history where lower tax-rates for the wealthy led to increased economic activity?
 
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