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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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TurtleDude said:
much bitterness I see in you. Sadly for you its the unions that are being dismissed left and right

the sooner we kill them off the better for America.

so why are your dem masters unwilling just to cut stuff?
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move along, you have been dismissed.
 
randel said:
move along, you have been dismissed.
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You can claim you are pope too and that would be just as stupid

so tell us why do the dems refuse to cut stuff unless they can wage class warfare on the smartest and the most industrious?
 
TurtleDude said:
you confuse your populist sense of fairness with economic reality. the rich pay higher taxes on every type of income than you do

so if you are so hell bent on what you call fairness how about you pay the same rates I do?
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Some of the rich who are not quite rich enough pay a lot in taxes. Once you get rich enough, you're tax rate goes down because the laws are set for the very rich to use many forms of tax loophole to not pay tax on it. As such, income is income. It should all be treated the same.
 
randel said:
and the democrats shouldnt agree to anything without the republicans coughing up major concessions
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Agreed. At this point, I'm ready to see the debt ceiling missed. As bad as that would be, it needs to be done if Republicans won't budge. Le them answer to the American people. Let them explain that they let the economy tank even further because they protected some millionaires' tax breaks.
 
TurtleDude said:
much bitterness I see in you. Sadly for you its the unions that are being dismissed left and right

the sooner we kill them off the better for America.

so why are your dem masters unwilling just to cut stuff?
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Yeah, we should switch to the Commie China model. I mean, they ain't got unions and they're doing so great. Right? Oh...
 
The Barbarian said:
5% profit margin …. price at the pump $1.75 = 8.5 cents profit
5% profit margin …. price at the pump $3.50 = 17 cents profit

yep made a bigger profit selling the same product at twice the price .. go figure …
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Know how much of that is in taxes?? Yep! a whopping 46%! in combined Federal and State taxes.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Agreed. At this point, I'm ready to see the debt ceiling missed. As bad as that would be, it needs to be done if Republicans won't budge. Le them answer to the American people. Let them explain that they let the economy tank even further because they protected some millionaires' tax breaks.
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That's what I find so outrageous. It's not like they're fighting for US. They aren't trying to make our lot better, in fact they're holding up true recovery to protect their friends in high places. I mean, who's going to give them a cushy VP spot in a company once they're done in Congress if they raise their taxes?

But in the end, this is what's going on. Saving an increase tax rate on the super rich, holding the rest of us hostage while doing so. Way to serve the People.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Agreed. At this point, I'm ready to see the debt ceiling missed. As bad as that would be, it needs to be done if Republicans won't budge. Le them answer to the American people. Let them explain that they let the economy tank even further because they protected some millionaires' tax breaks.
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agreed......sad to say, but it may need to happen....
 
randel said:
agreed......sad to say, but it may need to happen....
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Funny, I was thinking that before I even got here. Fatalist time. Okay - go for it. I'd just like to add a quick **** you. **** you very much.

Buncha ****ing ****ers who ****.

/rant
 
Bassman said:
Translation:Sell out their principles and cave in. Sorry, but that dog doesn't hunt here. The GOP needs to stand firm!
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yep, thats it, exactly...:roll: protect those donors/contributors
 
Ikari said:
Some of the rich who are not quite rich enough pay a lot in taxes. Once you get rich enough, you're tax rate goes down because the laws are set for the very rich to use many forms of tax loophole to not pay tax on it. As such, income is income. It should all be treated the same.
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well that is a generalization that is both inaccurate and often silly

1) most of those targeted for big tax hikes are not the super wealthy so many of the dems and the populists whine about

2) capital gains are taxed less for everyone if they are long term. jacking up capital gains only retards investment in US industry. You are just mad that some of the very richest people mostly have CG income which is not a just reason to jack up the rates because you are upset that some billionaires pay a lower overall rate than high salaried upper middle class professionals

3) dividend income is often taxed twice so maybe there should be no taxes whatsoever at the corporate level if you truly want dividend income taxed the same as other income

4) you have made no rational argument why different forms of income should be taxed the same other than your tacit admission you don't have much investment income and you are envious of those who do. that is not a sound basis for tax policy

5) the rich already pay far more of the tax burden even with all these claimed loopholes you whine about. in reality , the real loophole is allowing those-because they have so many more votes than the rich, to pay artificially low tax rates subsidized by the rich
 
Guess it's time to write my President and tell him he has my full support, and he best not blink.
 
Ikari said:
It's time to get past the partisan bickering and work on a solution for the whole of us. And part of that is trying to get our debt back in control. Which at this point will entail both spending cuts and tax raises. We allowed the government to operate in this frivolous mode, it's time to pay the piper. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
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Well said, Ikari. Both sides are being petulant here. The Democrats, like addicts, can't give up their entitlements. The Republicans, like children, refuse to pay for the bill they've run up. It's pathetic.

And it's why I was wrong and you were right all along about the Republocrat thing. There really is no lesser of two evils.
 
randel said:
yep, thats it, exactly...:roll: protect those donors/contributors
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Pot Meet Kettle...Kettle, Pot.
The Demwads do the same with their union thugs and the *cough* George Soros, et al. *cough* other idiots, so don't even go there. We are wasting way too much money on domestic spending.
 
BDBoop said:
Guess it's time to write my President and tell him he has my full support, and he best not blink.
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I'd rather that he blink, frankly. It's much too dire to play games. If the Republicans want to hold United States' credit rating hostage to get their way, so be it. It's too important to mess around.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Well said, Ikari. Both sides are being petulant here. The Democrats, like addicts, can't give up their entitlements. The Republicans, like children, refuse to pay for the bill they've run up. It's pathetic.

And it's why I was wrong and you were right all along about the Republocrat thing. There really is no lesser of two evils.
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1.4 TRILLION on the table. If the Republicans want entitlements, then they can blink. Other than that, they can just eat **** and die.

No respect left. None.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I'd rather that he blink, frankly. It's much too dire to play games. If the Republicans want to hold United States' credit rating hostage to get their way, so be it. It's too important to mess around.
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I already wrote him. I feel much better.
 
BDBoop said:
1.4 TRILLION on the table. If the Republicans want entitlements, then they can blink. Other than that, they can just eat **** and die.

No respect left. None.
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But it's too important for pride on either side.

The USA has the best economy in the world, despite the best efforts of our politicians to the contrary. The dollar is still a reserve currency and treasury bonds are still-- miraculously-- seen as a good investment.

I, for one, would like to keep it that way.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Well said, Ikari. Both sides are being petulant here. The Democrats, like addicts, can't give up their entitlements. The Republicans, like children, refuse to pay for the bill they've run up. It's pathetic.

And it's why I was wrong and you were right all along about the Republocrat thing. There really is no lesser of two evils.
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And the Republic suffers because of it. I wish people could get past their blind alligence to their political party and start thinking about actions, consequence, and service to the People. Things are broken and both sides are so caught up at pointing fingers at the other ones and backing their own foolish notions and plans that they refuse to see the forest for the trees. And the Republic suffers. Hold America hostage to protect the uber rich's tax loopholes. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense at near 10% unemployment. And the Republic suffers. It's sickening on some levels the way dumb, blind partisanship is destroying the Republic and all people can do is point their fingers at the other side.

Thanks for nothing Republocrats.
 
BDBoop said:
Guess it's time to write my President and tell him he has my full support, and he best not blink.
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believe i will do the same when i get in in the morning...push has come to shove, he needs to know that he has support.
 
Guy Incognito said:
But it's too important for pride on either side. The USA has the best economy in the world, despite the best efforts of our politicians to the contrary. The dollar is still a reserve currency and treasury bonds are still-- miraculously-- seen as a good investment.

I, for one, would like to keep it that way.
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Have you contacted your representatives about that? Funny how YOU want to keep it that way, and I want to keep it that way, but they? They could give a ****.
 
randel said:
you live in this country, he is your president
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I think he's in the State of Denial, which apparently is NOT in the USA. Therefore, none of this affects him, and we can ignore his input. :)
 
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