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Catawba said:
Where is the lie when Obama says we should eliminate the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and the majority of America agrees???
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The lie is that the rich do not pay their fair share.
 
Misterveritis said:
satnightpoly said:
We could solve this by opening up the entire nation to oil drilling. We could streamline the process for starting fup new nuclear power plants. We do not need to regulate what goes into each house.
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That defeats the whole purpose of trying to do less impact to the environment. And don't forget that we (the human race) are running out of oil and if you don't believe that there is plenty of evidence to support that.

I agree with you on streamlining the nuclear process, we do need to embrace that tech further, but unfortunately the raw materials needed for the plants are very difficult to process and extremely rare. Nuclear is not a silver bullet, particularly compared to the nations ever increasing demand!
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satnightpoly said:
Misterveritis said:
That defeats the whole purpose of trying to do less impact to the environment. And don't forget that we (the human race) are running out of oil and if you don't believe that there is plenty of evidence to support that.

I agree with you on streamlining the nuclear process, we do need to embrace that tech further, but unfortunately the raw materials needed for the plants are very difficult to process and extremely rare. Nuclear is not a silver bullet, particularly compared to the nations ever increasing demand!
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I am not trying to have less impact on the environment. That is a silly idea. The environment doesn't need our help other than what we already do, clean as we go.

I do not believe we are running out of oil. Every projection has been wrong. We always find more as it becomes profitable to go get it.

We make it hard to license nuclear power for political, not technical reasons. We ought to be using nuclear energy to power things that stands still, and petroleum for things that move. Easy peasy.
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Karl said:
An acceptable replacement has already been developed. That you don't like it does not make it unacceptable.
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I would have to say that the degree to which consumers willingly buy a particular product is the very definition of how “acceptable” that product is.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I would have to say that the degree to which consumers willingly buy a particular product is the very definition of how “acceptable” that product is.
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In that case drugs and prostitution should be legal, hmm?
 
Misterveritis said:
I cannot speak to why a majority do.
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Well there's your sign that your perspective is skewed too far to the right of your fellow Americans.

Given that about half of the nation has its hands out looking for government to fill them it is no real surprise that a government promising to take more of one person's property to give to others has traction with the takers. If the percentage is 47% we can still turn this around. If it is 51% which has been reported recently on a local radio station, then we are doomed.
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You still dragging out that Fox News farce that was discredited long ago:

"According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,
The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired."
It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes
Buy arms and ammunition.
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LOL! For What? Is the 1% going to rise up against the 99%?
 
Misterveritis said:
In other words if you don't do what we want you to we will create a powerful government bureaucracy that will slowly eat up your wealth and destroy you, the nation and (oops) us.

You have the heart of a tyrant.
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Your ridiculous strawman has the heart of a tyrant. because that is not even close to what I said.
 
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Misterveritis said:
satnightpoly said:
I do not believe we are running out of oil. Every projection has been wrong. We always find more as it becomes profitable to go get it.
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I don't understand how you can say that. The projections have been correct time and time again. Look at hubbert's research, he accurately predicted the decline of oil production in the US! When you adjust Hubbert's theory for the decrease in demand during the oil embargo years, global peak production is coming up soon.

Hubbert peak theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Catawba said:
Well there's your sign that your perspective is skewed too far to the right of your fellow Americans.

You still dragging out that Fox News farce that was discredited long ago:

"According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,
The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired."
It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes


LOL! For What? Is the 1% going to rise up against the 99%?
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Discredited? Hardly. Somewhere between 47 and 51% of workers are not paying federal income taxes. Many of those got money from the Feds. Your story highlights the truth of it.

When the storm comes, as it surely must, you can choose to be prepared or you can be washed away. I choose to be prepared.
 
satnightpoly said:
Misterveritis said:
I don't understand how you can say that. The projections have been correct time and time again. Look at hubbert's research, he accurately predicted the decline of oil production in the US! When you adjust Hubbert's theory for the decrease in demand during the oil embargo years, global peak production is coming up soon.

Hubbert peak theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You may believe what you wish. The decline in oil production is more political than technical.

Don't you wonder why all of the projected catastrophes are just around the corner?
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Misterveritis said:
satnightpoly said:
You may believe what you wish. The decline in oil production is more political than technical.

Don't you wonder why all of the projected catastrophes are just around the corner?
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There is nothing political to it, it's simply science. You claim that science is wrong time and time again, well here is a theory that has been right time and time again, but that isn't enough?
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Misterveritis said:
When the storm comes, as it surely must, you can choose to be prepared or you can be washed away. I choose to be prepared.
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Back your theme of revolution by the 1% against the 99%??? LOL!
 
satnightpoly said:
Misterveritis said:
There is nothing political to it, it's simply science. You claim that science is wrong time and time again, well here is a theory that has been right time and time again, but that isn't enough?
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Can you show me, say from a book like "Limits to Growth" that essentially predicted we were running out of everything, a half dozen examples of them being right?

Or will you only show me self-fulfilling prophecy? If you claim we are going to run out of oil then politically obstruct every effort to find and exploit the oil so that oil production plateaus does that mean you are right? I don't think so.
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Catawba said:
Back your theme of revolution by the 1% against the 99%??? LOL!
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There is no 1% against the 99% just as there is no 99% against the 1%.
 
LesGovt said:
There is no 1% against the 99% just as there is no 99% against the 1%.
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Misterveritis said:
You may be stupid and unprepared. I choose not to be.
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Mister V is convinced we are heading for a revolution between the 1% and the 99%, he's preparing for the worst. So you two work it out and get back to us.
 
It is laughable that some of you found a few halogen bulbs that are as cheap or cheaper than incandescent bulbs. I had some personal experience on that matter last weekend. One of our bulbs in a recessed fixture blew out in the living room. I had put led bulbs in them, but my wife continually complained that she couldn't read anything, so we switched them back.

We went to the store to buy some replacements. We got a 4 pack of bulbs for just under $12. A package of one comparable halogen bulb was almost $9.

I believe the stores are putting some halogen bulbs in free to draw in customers, but if you need anything other than a vanilla bulb, they stick it to you for the halogens.
 
Misterveritis said:
Can you show me, say from a book like "Limits to Growth" that essentially predicted we were running out of everything, a half dozen examples of them being right?

Or will you only show me self-fulfilling prophecy? If you claim we are going to run out of oil then politically obstruct every effort to find and exploit the oil so that oil production plateaus does that mean you are right? I don't think so.
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So your opinion is there has been a conspiracy of both political parties for the last 30 some years to reduce production below the demand???? Because the fact is there hasn't been a single year since 1971 when we produced as much oil as we consumed, under either political party.

Do you expect that finite fossil fuel supplies should magically grow as does the population???
 
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Catawba said:
Mister V is convinced we are heading for a revolution between the 1% and the 99%, he's preparing for the worst. So you two work it out and get back to us.
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I have nothing to work out as there is nothing to work out. He may believe what he believes and we know that you are a tad askew anyway. :roll:
 
Catawba said:
Mister V is convinced we are heading for a revolution between the 1% and the 99%, he's preparing for the worst. So you two work it out and get back to us.
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I am convinced that chaos is coming. There will be oil shortages, food shortages and possibly worse coming.

I will be prepared. When the time comes I will (briefly) wonder what happened to you.
 
Catawba said:
So your opinion is there has been a conspiracy of both political parties for the last 30 some years to reduce production below the demand???? Because the fact is there hasn't been a single year since 1971 when we produced as much oil as we consumed, under either political party.

Do you expect that finite fossil fuel supplies should magically grow as does the population???
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Can we try this once again. Can you show me five or six examples of he things the Club of Rome predicted we would be out of by now in the book, Limits to Growth? I have that book around here somewhere, I think. Have we run out of anything?

When we come close to running out in a few hundreds of years there will be something else to take its place.
 
Misterveritis said:
I am convinced that chaos is coming. There will be oil shortages, food shortages and possibly worse coming.

I will be prepared. When the time comes I will (briefly) wonder what happened to you.
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The time to prepare was 30 years ago, you are a little late. That's why I have become more energy independent over the last 30 years. To bad the more people didn't listen to Carter, eh?
 
Misterveritis said:
Can we try this once again. Can you show me five or six examples of he things the Club of Rome predicted we would be out of by now in the book, Limits to Growth? I have that book around here somewhere, I think. Have we run out of anything?

When we come close to running out in a few hundreds of years there will be something else to take its place.
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Are you really Bman Mcfly??? That's his shtick. Blame everything on a worldwide conspiracy dating back decades and the solution is magic. LOL!!!

I thought conservatives were supposed to be all about personal responsibility???
 
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