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Are you really Bman Mcfly??? That's his shtick. Blame everything on a worldwide conspiracy dating back decades and the solution is magic. LOL!!!

I thought conservatives were supposed to be all about personal responsibility???
conservatives take credit when things go well, but when things go wrong, they are all about blaming the liberals, the progressives, the socialists, the dreaded communists ( who have never attacked us )......
 
conservatives take credit when things go well, but when things go wrong, they are all about blaming the liberals, the progressives, the socialists, the dreaded communists ( who have never attacked us )......

Yeah, liberals never blame people like ex-President Bush for anything, right?
 
I am convinced that chaos is coming. There will be oil shortages, food shortages and possibly worse coming. I will be prepared. When the time comes I will (briefly) wonder what happened to you.
The time to prepare was 30 years ago, you are a little late. That's why I have become more energy independent over the last 30 years. To bad the more people didn't listen to Carter, eh?
I suspect Mr.V is referring to ammunition, cans of beans, and non-hybrid seeds ;)

Since the cold war nuclear holocaust didn't pan out for them, the 'preppers' have been reinvigorated by the current financial crisis and are restocking the bunkers.
 
Yeah, liberals never blame people like ex-President Bush for anything, right?
even conservatives blame Bush.....the smart ones, anyway....
 
even conservatives blame Bush.....the smart ones, anyway....

Have to agree there..........he spent almost as much money in his 8 years as Obama spent in his first 3.
 
Have to agree there..........he spent almost as much money in his 8 years as Obama spent in his first 3.
so you agree that both spend too much......but Obama inherited a mess from Bush....right? what did Bush inherit? and what did he do with it?
 
so you agree that both spend too much......but Obama inherited a mess from Bush....right? what did Bush inherit? and what did he do with it?

The financial mess was caused by Congress and those who should not have attempted to do what Congress wanted. That is what Obama inherited along with two wars. What did Bush inherit? He inherited a history of not having the Federal Government (Republican and Democrat) take on Islamic extremism even after some of our sailors were killed on the Cole and having two embassies bombed. And, he inherited a cease fire agreement that was not being followed by one of the parties. That is what each inherited. Both Bush and Obama have done poor jobs of managing the government and both spent far too much of our hard-earned tax dollars and we should have cut expenses while taking on our enemies.
 
Are you really Bman Mcfly??? That's his shtick. Blame everything on a worldwide conspiracy dating back decades and the solution is magic. LOL!!!

I thought conservatives were supposed to be all about personal responsibility???
So you cannot show me any instances of resources running out?

I can discuss one. A few hundred years ago (1600s) London ran out of wood for its glass and cannon manufacture. The wood was replaced by coal. New coal-fired ovens were created and life went on. If you want to read more you can find a good account in chapter 6, Fuel to the Flame, in James Burke's book, "Connections".

Why do you think it is a conspiracy?

And I did not understand your comment about personal responsibility. Would you please explain it to me?
 
So you cannot show me any instances of resources running out?

Its not about running out to the last drop, its about demand exceeding supply. We passed that point with oil in the US in 1971. If you doubt it, show me a single year since 1971 when we produced more oil than we consumed.

I can discuss one. A few hundred years ago (1600s) London ran out of wood for its glass and cannon manufacture. The wood was replaced by coal. New coal-fired ovens were created and life went on. If you want to read more you can find a good account in chapter 6, Fuel to the Flame, in James Burke's book, "Connections".

So your opinion is that if man uses up a natural resource faster than it can be exploited, another will always be around to take its place? That's your plan???


Why do you think it is a conspiracy?

You are the one that suggested that both parties have conspired over the last 30 years to keep production below demand, not me.

And I did not understand your comment about personal responsibility. Would you please explain it to me?

The US lags behind other countries in efficiency. In other words, we are more wasteful of the worlds resources.

An excellent example is the resistance by those who deny their responsibility to be better stewards of our resources by the simple act of using a more efficient light bulb, even with the added bonus of cost savings over the life of the bulb in reduced energy cost.

Many so called conservatives seem to forget that conservative is a root form of conservation. For many conservatives today however, personal greed seems a higher priority than personal responsibility to conserve our natural resources.
 
Its not about running out to the last drop, its about demand exceeding supply. We passed that point with oil in the US in 1971. If you doubt it, show me a single year since 1971 when we produced more oil than we consumed.
Accepted. You cannot show a single instance of a Club of Rome prediction being accurate. They predicted we would run out of many, not one, not two, but many resources. They were wrong. They always are.


So your opinion is that if man uses up a natural resource faster than it can be exploited, another will always be around to take its place? That's your plan???

Only because that is what actually happens in real life.

You are the one that suggested that both parties have conspired over the last 30 years to keep production below demand, not me.
I have suggested no conspiracy, unless you believe that all of politics is conspiracy. Hmm. That is not a bad thought over all.

The US lags behind other countries in efficiency. In other words, we are more wasteful of the worlds resources.
Yeah, I know, we are still relatively more free to live our lives than other tyrannical regimes. Got it. Understood. The Democrats are trying to "fix" that.

An excellent example is the resistance by those who deny their responsibility to be better stewards of our resources by the simple act of using a more efficient light bulb, even with the added bonus of cost savings over the life of the bulb in reduced energy cost.

Many so called conservatives seem to forget that conservative is a root form of conservation. For many conservatives today however, personal greed seems a higher priority than personal responsibility to conserve our natural resources.
You really don't get it do you? You can be free or you can be a slave to the state. You are choosing tyranny over freedom. As I ponder tht I think it is actually pretty sad on the one hand and frightening on the other. How did we become a nation of sheep?
 
Accepted. You cannot show a single instance of a Club of Rome prediction being accurate. They predicted we would run out of many, not one, not two, but many resources. They were wrong. They always are.

Back to your Club of Rome conspiracy theory again? Conspiracy forum is third hall down, and take hard right.

Just facts ma'am! And the facts are there has not been a single year, since 1971 our production could keep up with demand. You have yet to show a single year that were actually able to do that, have you?


Only because that is what actually happens in real life.

Then why are we allowing the price of oil to cripple our economy? Where is your magic replacement???


I have suggested no conspiracy, unless you believe that all of politics is conspiracy. Hmm. That is not a bad thought over all.

You weren't the one that said it was because of government regulations that we are not once again magically oil independent?


Yeah, I know, we are still relatively more free to live our lives than other tyrannical regimes. Got it. Understood. The Democrats are trying to "fix" that.


You really don't get it do you? You can be free or you can be a slave to the state. You are choosing tyranny over freedom. As I ponder tht I think it is actually pretty sad on the one hand and frightening on the other. How did we become a nation of sheep?

Great you are free to be fat, lazy and wasteful! The new conservatism! Congratulations!!!!!!!!
 
Right wing pundits and blogs.

I have yet to see anyone that tells someone they do not believe in science support such a claim.



Democracy is and always been minority follows the wishes and desires of the majority. What people portray it as is a society that respects the rights and liberties of all people while representing the people will. However, to do that you can't follow the will of the majority as the their will usually runs in opposition to the rights and liberties of all people. Therefore, these people will usually use this power they have been given over those people for their own benefit or a idea that a liberty is harmful to the great good of the whole. In truth a republic is a society that respects the rights and liberties of all people, while a democracy on the other hand is just a society that respects the desires of the people that have the most power.
 
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Then why are we allowing the price of oil to cripple our economy? Where is your magic replacement???

Why are we allowing arguments it is the oil companies fault to have real feet in political and economic debate is a better question.


Great you are free to be fat, lazy and wasteful! The new conservatism! Congratulations!!!!!!!!

We are free to be fat, lazy and wasteful. Telling people that is bad to be wasteful because of society as a whole is of course ignoring that it does not violate your rights in the process. Its also ignoring that the wasteful nature of society generally has effects on market place as a whole in time and considering that movements would occur away from those actions as the resources become hard to come by being pushed on business by the consumers and the supply in the ground its not even understandable to restrict liberty to ensure natural resources. The only argument you could come by is to ensure the market can function as desired as quickly as possible.
 
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so you agree that both spend too much......but Obama inherited a mess from Bush....right? what did Bush inherit? and what did he do with it?

It's very simple........

Bush inherited a minor recession, but the major issue was the worse attack on American soil in our history. The attack crippled the financial and travel industry in the country, not to mention killing almost 3,000 innocent people.

It was immediately followed by the necessary attack on Afghanistan to root out the Taliban.

Then we had the worst natural disaster in modern American history, Hurricane Katrina. This cost hundreds of millions of dollars more.

Bush spent a lot of money foolishly, just like every president though.
 
It's very simple........

Bush inherited a minor recession, but the major issue was the worse attack on American soil in our history. The attack crippled the financial and travel industry in the country, not to mention killing almost 3,000 innocent people.

It was immediately followed by the necessary attack on Afghanistan to root out the Taliban.

Then we had the worst natural disaster in modern American history, Hurricane Katrina. This cost hundreds of millions of dollars more.

Bush spent a lot of money foolishly, just like every president though.

I won't quibble with that, but you somehow forgot to mention that Bush also inherited a nearly balanced budget. 911 was both a blessing and a curse for Bush. It did stunt the economy, but it also rallied the American people behind their President, sending his previously low approval ratings into the stratosphere. That, together with a Republican-controlled Congress, gave him a huge mandate to do whatever he wanted to do. And the result was an epic fail.
 
I won't quibble with that, but you somehow forgot to mention that Bush also inherited a nearly balanced budget. 911 was both a blessing and a curse for Bush. It did stunt the economy, but it also rallied the American people behind their President, sending his previously low approval ratings into the stratosphere. That, together with a Republican-controlled Congress, gave him a huge mandate to do whatever he wanted to do. And the result was an epic fail.


Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.


j-mac
 
Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.


j-mac

What a useless comment. :roll:
 
Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.
Since the need for a 'Pearl Harbor type event' was cited by a think tank featuring signatories such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby -- over a year before 9/11 -- as necessary to convince the public that our military should be used to dominate the world, you might want to thank them instead.

Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Since the need for a 'Pearl Harbor type event' was cited by a think tank featuring signatories such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby -- over a year before 9/11 -- as necessary to convince the public that our military should be used to dominate the world, you might want to thank them instead.

I think that there is an excellent chance that you will find the information at this link to be very useful.
 
Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.

j-mac

Somebody is desperate. Very desperate.
 
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