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‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

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‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules - Businessweek

July 6 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration must immediately end the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy on gays serving in the armed forces, a federal appeals court said.

The Log Cabin Republicans, a group that promotes equal rights for gays and lesbians, asked a U.S. appeals court to block further enforcement of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” while the court reviews a September lower court ruling that declared the law unconstitutional. The San Francisco-based appeals court today granted the organization’s request.

“As of today, the government is prohibited from applying or enforcing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ -- the law is over and done with,” Dan Woods, a lawyer representing the Log Cabin Republicans said in an interview. “All investigations must stop, all discharge proceedings must halt immediately,” he said.
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Too much haste will definitely cause problems.
 
apdst said:
Too much haste will definitely cause problems.
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I agree.

I think that gays serving in the military might cause a problem with unit cohesiveness in some units.

Problem with that is, thats what they were saying about YOU 60-70 years ago.

Blacks cant serve with whites, it would disrupt the unit, well you know what, it did disrupt the unit, the unit got over it, the unit changed.

There are now generals, admirals, commanders that are black, where it would have been inconceivable all those years ago.

Beat that with a stick.
 
apdst said:
Too much haste will definitely cause problems.
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Being professionals and adults shold keep problems to a minimum. Surely you believe our soldiers can be professional and adult?
 
It's about freakin' time!
 
Boo Radley said:
Being professionals and adults shold keep problems to a minimum.
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Why then, is the service training soldiers to deal with the open gay policies? I mean, if they're so ready for it, there shouldn't be any need for training. Right?

Surely you believe our soldiers can be professional and adult?
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Sure they can...as long as they have sufficient adult supervision.
 
apdst said:
Why then, is the service training soldiers to deal with the open gay policies? I mean, if they're so ready for it, there shouldn't be any need for training. Right?



Sure they can...as long as they have sufficient adult supervision.
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Adults need adult supervision? Okkkkk . . . .

Part of ebing adult and professional is being prepared. Recieving training is not a sign they can't handle it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I agree.

I think that gays serving in the military might cause a problem with unit cohesiveness in some units.

Problem with that is, thats what they were saying about YOU 60-70 years ago.

Blacks cant serve with whites, it would disrupt the unit, well you know what, it did disrupt the unit, the unit got over it, the unit changed.

There are now generals, admirals, commanders that are black, where it would have been inconceivable all those years ago.

Beat that with a stick.
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I think it is just the reverse of that. The straight people will cause the problem with unit cohesiveness. They are the ones that will cause the problems not the gays. Get rid of the bigots and there will not be a problem. It has nothing to do with the gays causing a problem. It is the action of closed minded idiots that will make the difficulties.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Gays have waited long enough. Let the straight folks deal with their bigotry on their own. Do it now.
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I support the repeal of DADT. But people largely don't oppose it because they are bigots.
 
Boo Radley said:
Adults need adult supervision? Okkkkk . . . .

Part of ebing adult and professional is being prepared. Recieving training is not a sign they can't handle it.
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Training is a major part of being prepared. You know that.
 
digsbe said:
I support the repeal of DADT. But people largely don't oppose it because they are bigots.
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Not sure it can be proven either way, but I really find it hard to believe that absent bigotry anyoen woould really see a problem. You almost have to have a view that is skewed to believe there would be a problem.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Gays have waited long enough. Let the straight folks deal with their bigotry on their own. Do it now.
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Well, when bad things happen, because this wasn't done smartly, you only have yourselves to blame.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not sure it can be proven either way, but I really find it hard to believe that absent bigotry anyoen woould really see a problem. You almost have to have a view that is skewed to believe there would be a problem.
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Was there racism in the military when you were serving?
 
apdst said:
Training is a major part of being prepared. You know that.
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yeah, that's what I'm saying. Take a deep breath and reread everything, including what you wrote and see if get to the same place.
 
digsbe said:
I support the repeal of DADT. But people largely don't oppose it because they are bigots.
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Then what would be their problem if not closed minded bigotry. There is no reason other than that would make this a problem at all. Imagine the military trying to teach people to get along because there are some gays. They haven't ever had to teach the gays to get along with the straight people we do it every day. So the problem with this change lies on the shoulders of straight people.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Then what would be their problem if not closed minded bigotry. There is no reason other than that would make this a problem at all. Imagine the military trying to teach people to get along because there are some gays. They haven't ever had to teach the gays to get along with the straight people we do it every day. So the problem with this change lies on the shoulders of straight people.
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That comment almost sounds as bad. Bigotry or not is irrelevant.

DADT really needs to just go away. The majority of gay people in the military are doing the job and that is that.

There sex life is no one's business but their own.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Then what would be their problem if not closed minded bigotry. There is no reason other than that would make this a problem at all. Imagine the military trying to teach people to get along because there are some gays. They haven't ever had to teach the gays to get along with the straight people we do it every day. So the problem with this change lies on the shoulders of straight people.
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Their socialization, maybe? Could be that they just don't know any better. You have to take into consideration just how diverse the military community really is. I knew soldiers that showed up to basic training that didn't know about proper hygene. Had one kid that didn't even know how to shave!

To assume that plain ol' bigotry is the problem, not only insults our service members, but endangers gay service members's personal safety.

If you force this issue, bad things will happen. If you want the abolition of DADT to have a happy ending, you'll ask that the implementation be done at a reasonable pace, that will best serve the members of our military.
 
apdst said:
Well, when bad things happen, because this wasn't done smartly, you only have yourselves to blame.
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Bad things will happen because of the problems the straight people will cause. Gays are not apt to be all that open in the beginning. I would not want to be the first one to come out and have a bunch of straight people attack me. That would be scary for the gays. Gays are not likely to hit on straight people anyway. Not in that setting and it rarely happens in regular life. TheGaydar goes up and you get the sense that a person is gay. In all my years I have hit on one straight woman. She was not really upset by it. She was actually somewhat flattered. That has been very rare in my case and with friends I have had few that have hit on a straight. Why in the world would a gay want to hit on a straight person?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Bad things will happen because of the problems the straight people will cause. Gays are not apt to be all that open in the beginning. I would not want to be the first one to come out and have a bunch of straight people attack me. That would be scary for the gays. Gays are not likely to hit on straight people anyway. Not in that setting and it rarely happens in regular life. TheGaydar goes up and you get the sense that a person is gay. In all my years I have hit on one straight woman. She was not really upset by it. She was actually somewhat flattered. That has been very rare in my case and with friends I have had few that have hit on a straight. Why in the world would a gay want to hit on a straight person?
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That's a very bigotted comment. Black Dog is right.
 
Blackdog said:
That comment almost sounds as bad. Bigotry or not is irrelevant.

DADT really needs to just go away. The majority of gay people in the military are doing the job and that is that.

There sex life is no one's business but their own.
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That's right. Someone's sex life is their own business. So what is the reason that there needs to be training if not what I stated? Since you think I was wrong in my comment tell me why there would be a problem at all. Enlighten us all with your wisdom since you want to sound so intelligent on this matter. If not bigotry than why the training and the slow process?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Then what would be their problem if not closed minded bigotry. There is no reason other than that would make this a problem at all. Imagine the military trying to teach people to get along because there are some gays. They haven't ever had to teach the gays to get along with the straight people we do it every day. So the problem with this change lies on the shoulders of straight people.
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Some people are uncomfortable being naked and living in close quarters with openly gay men and open lesbians. This is a legitimate concern even though I don't believe it warrants masking someone's sexuality. There is nothing bigoted with that opinion.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
That's right. Someone's sex life is their own business. So what is the reason that there needs to be training if not what I stated? Since you think I was wrong in my comment tell me why there would be a problem at all. Enlighten us all with your wisdom since you want to sound so intelligent on this matter. If not bigotry than why the training and the slow process?
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I already explained it to you.

believe it, or not, everyone in the world isn't just like you.
 
digsbe said:
Some people are uncomfortable being naked and living in close quarters with openly gay men and open lesbians. This is a legitimate concern even though I don't believe it warrants masking someone's sexuality. There is nothing bigoted with that opinion.
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Maybe, but I don't think it would cross my mind at all. Living in close quarters doesn't mean anything has to happen.
 
digsbe said:
Some people are uncomfortable being naked and living in close quarters with openly gay men and open lesbians. This is a legitimate concern even though I don't believe it warrants masking someone's sexuality. There is nothing bigoted with that opinion.
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That uncomfortable'ness will call for segregated billets, too.
 
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