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‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

apdst said:
That's a very bigotted comment. Black Dog is right.
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Why, that is the truth. The gays aren't going to have to learn to get along with straight people. Please. It is not a bigoted comment at all. It is true 100% true.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe, but I don't think it would cross my mind at all. Living in close quarters doesn't mean anything has to happen.
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You can speak for every single service member?
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe, but I don't think it would cross my mind at all. Living in close quarters doesn't mean anything has to happen.
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This is true, but not everyone has the same mentality. I also don't think it's wrong for someone to feel being uncomfortable being naked with an openly homosexual person. It's not based on bigotry but on personal privacy and being naked with someone who is openly sexually attracted to your gender.
 
apdst said:
I already explained it to you.

believe it, or not, everyone in the world isn't just like you.
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You explained nothing you didn't like my comment but did not explain anything.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Why, that is the truth. The gays aren't going to have to learn to get along with straight people. Please. It is not a bigoted comment at all. It is true 100% true.
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It's an extremely bigotted statement. You're stereotyping all straight soldiers.

If you think that gays aren't going to have make some kind of transition, you live in a fantasy.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
That's right. Someone's sex life is their own business. So what is the reason that there needs to be training if not what I stated?
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Sensitivity training is a part of all kinds of jobs in the civilian sector like police and fire etc. It was done when the races were integrated as well. It is the way our government operates to head off possible problems.

Needed or not it is what they, or government does. As I said it is pretty irrelevant at this point.

katiegrrl0 said:
Since you think I was wrong in my comment tell me why there would be a problem at all. Enlighten us all with your wisdom since you want to sound so intelligent on this matter. If not bigotry than why the training and the slow process?
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Because it sounds just as hateful as those you are trying to rally against.

The personal attacks are also unnecessary.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
You explained nothing you didn't like my comment but did not explain anything.
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You need to enlist and teach all those narrow-minded, bigot mother****ers how to think.

yeah! That's exactly what you oughta do.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I agree.

I think that gays serving in the military might cause a problem with unit cohesiveness in some units.

Problem with that is, thats what they were saying about YOU 60-70 years ago.

Blacks cant serve with whites, it would disrupt the unit, well you know what, it did disrupt the unit, the unit got over it, the unit changed.

There are now generals, admirals, commanders that are black, where it would have been inconceivable all those years ago.

Beat that with a stick.
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Gays are serving in the military right now. They have been serving in the military.

The Spartans considered love between men to be a higher form of love than that between men and women. They didn't seem to have any problems with "unit cohesion".
 
digsbe said:
This is true, but not everyone has the same mentality. I also don't think it's wrong for someone to feel being uncomfortable being naked with an openly homosexual person. It's not based on bigotry but on personal privacy and being naked with someone who is openly sexually attracted to your gender.
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I agree people are different, but I suspect it has to do with something they feel about the person there. worried about something happening, something like that. It's not a big point, but our feeling are based on something even when we don't really know what it is.
 
digsbe said:
This is true, but not everyone has the same mentality. I also don't think it's wrong for someone to feel being uncomfortable being naked with an openly homosexual person. It's not based on bigotry but on personal privacy and being naked with someone who is openly sexually attracted to your gender.
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if someone thinks they will throw gay people into a feeding frenzy by getting naked in the shower with them they have a problem.
 
toddwv said:
Gays are serving in the military right now. They have been serving in the military.

The Spartans considered love between men to be a higher form of love than that between men and women. They didn't seem to have any problems with "unit cohesion".
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The Spartans didn't spare prisoners of war, either. Do you want to see our military do that??
 
apdst said:
You need to enlist and teach all those narrow-minded, bigot mother****ers how to think.

yeah! That's exactly what you oughta do.
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Did I say all. I don't believe in the military at all and rather than change it they should disband it. I support nothing about it. Nothing.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
if someone thinks they will throw gay people into a feeding frenzy by getting naked in the shower with them they have a problem.
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That is not what he said. Nice fallacy though.

Some people would be uncomfortable, fact of life and it does not make it wrong just because you don't like how someone else feels.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
Did I say all. I don't believe in the military at all and rather than change it they should disband it. I support nothing about it. Nothing.
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Well then, why do you even care if gays can serve? If you have such little respect for our service members, then you shouldn't give a **** about gays who serve in the military.
 
toddwv said:
Gays are serving in the military right now. They have been serving in the military.

The Spartans considered love between men to be a higher form of love than that between men and women. They didn't seem to have any problems with "unit cohesion".
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And yet they were not allowed to marry either.

It was a normal part of that society, times are a little different.

I guess we should discard children who cannot be warriors? Hehehehe.
 
Blackdog said:
That is not what he said. Nice fallacy though.

Some people would be uncomfortable, fact of life and it does not make it wrong just because you don't like it how someone feels.
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A person can feel anyway they like. When those feelings would affect their ability to do the job should be they be doing that job in the first place?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
A person can feel anyway they like. When those feelings would affect their ability to do the job should be they be doing that job in the first place?
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Allot of people would be out of work, lol.
 
apdst said:
Well then, why do you even care if gays can serve? If you have such little respect for our service members, then you shouldn't give a **** about gays who serve in the military.
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They should have the opportunity to do what they want. If this is what they want to do there should not be a wall against them. I don't recall saying i had any problem with the troops. It is the military as a whole that I do not care for. You may want to make sure you read what I type before you respond and make me against the individual service members. If that is what they want to do that's fine.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
A person can feel anyway they like. When those feelings would affect their ability to do the job should be they be doing that job in the first place?
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So, if a soldier says, "fag", in front of a gay soldier; that gay soldier shouldn't be doing the job?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
They should have the opportunity to do what they want. If this is what they want to do there should not be a wall against them. I don't recall saying i had any problem with the troops. It is the military as a whole that I do not care for. You may want to make sure you read what I type before you respond and make me against the individual service members. If that is what they want to do that's fine.
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The troops are the military.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
They should have the opportunity to do what they want. If this is what they want to do there should not be a wall against them. I don't recall saying i had any problem with the troops. It is the military as a whole that I do not care for. You may want to make sure you read what I type before you respond and make me against the individual service members. If that is what they want to do that's fine.
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You do realize that the individual solders ARE the military? Without them, it would not exist?

Anyway, this is off topic.

I do agree they should be allowed to serve openly and honorably just like anyone else.
 
Blackdog said:
Sensitivity training is a part of all kinds of jobs in the civilian sector like police and fire etc. It was done when the races were integrated as well. It is the way our government operates to head off possible problems.

Needed or not it is what they, or government does. As I said it is pretty irrelevant at this point.



Because it sounds just as hateful as those you are trying to rally against.

The personal attacks are also unnecessary.
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Thanks that was a helpful response. I can understand sensitivity training for dealing with people that have some issue. It works for me.
 
Blackdog said:
You do realize that the individual solders ARE the military? Without them, it would not exist?

Anyway, this is off topic.

I do agree they should be allowed to serve openly and honorably just like anyone else.
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No they are not. They follow the orders. Yes we are off topic.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Thanks that was a helpful response. I can understand sensitivity training for dealing with people that have some issue. It works for me.
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It is NOT for dealing with people who have problems. That would be some kind of psychological counseling.

It is learning to accept others who are different and treating them the same as anyone else under the law and in the performance of your job.
 
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