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Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

Gargantuan said:
So if you haven't ever used a federal interstate in Florida you don't owe any taxes for that, but you owe it for the part of it in NY? I don't follow.
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I pay for the Interstate Highway System which is what everybody who drives in the interstates uses. Do you know what that is? I'll give you a clue. The Florida Interstates are part of it. ;)
 
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Hatuey said:
I pay for the Interstate Highway System. Do you know what that is? I'll give you a clue. The Florida Interstates are part of it. ;)
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so if you never go on Welfare, you are owed money for all of your taxes that paid for someone else's Welfare?

lol
 
Thunder said:
so if you never go on Welfare, you are owed money for all of your taxes that paid for someone else's Welfare?

lol
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In a nutshell? Yes. Will you get that money back? No. Now buzz off you little troll.
 
Thunder said:
wrong. very very wrong.

sorry.
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It's nice that you have absolutely nothing of any coherence to add to the discussion. When TurtleDude and Hatuey are thanking eachother's posts in a thread about taxation, it's time for you to pack your bags and move to a different thread.
 
Hatuey said:
It's nice that you have absolutely nothing of any coherence to add to the discussion.
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saying that you only owe taxes for services that you personally benefit from, is pretty incoherent.

and downright selfish.
 
Hatuey said:
I pay for the Interstate Highway System which is what everybody who drives in the interstates uses. Do you know what that is? I'll give you a clue. The Florida Interstates are part of it. ;)
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Yet many are toll roads like in New York and PA so that is like an added tax that is more theft
 
Thunder said:
saying that you only owe taxes for services that you personally benefit from, is pretty incoherent.

and downright selfish.
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Again, you've failed on every single angle to prove why people owe taxes for anything other than what they use. You have simply stated that it's owed because A) the government says so and B) because you say so. That's inconsistent with the entire argument for taxation and people like you don't help the argument. People should pay taxes because it's beneficial to not have people on the street begging for food. However, they don't owe anything to those people or society at all.
 
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ptif219 said:
Yet many are toll roads like in New York and PA so that is like an added tax that is more theft
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Toll roads are used mostly in order to pay for the repair of local highways. At least that's my understanding. If you're going to use those roads, it's only natural that you should be taxed for their upkeep. It's not theft. It's paying for what you use.
 
Hatuey said:
Toll roads are used mostly in order to pay for the repair of local highways. At least that's my understanding. If you're going to use those roads, it's only natural that you should be taxed for their upkeep. It's not theft. It's paying for what you use.
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To go across NY on the toll road for a semi is over $100
 
Thunder said:
saying that you only owe taxes for services that you personally benefit from, is pretty incoherent.

and downright selfish.
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This is evidence that sometimes political underpinnings are lame. Being a socialist because one thinks it means "good at sharing" and one thinks capitalism means "selfish" is about as basic as it gets. Not much point to arguing with it, unless one is in elementary school. This is the level of argument we are witnessing here:

Mine
Share
Mine
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Hatuey said:
Again, you've failed on every single angle to prove why people owe taxed for anything other than what they use.
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Federal, state, and local income tax, taxes our income. It does not nor should it take into account those services that we did or did not take advantage of, each year.

Could you imagine the nightmare of red-tape that would be created, if we only paid taxes for those municipal services that we took advantage of?

"how many sidewalks did you walk on?"

"how many stoplights did you drive past?"

"how often did you go to the park?"

"did you ever call 911?"

"did you ever use an ambulance?"


..come on now, its just silly what you are suggesting.
 
Hatuey said:
Toll roads are used mostly in order to pay for the repair of local highways. At least that's my understanding. If you're going to use those roads, it's only natural that you should be taxed for their upkeep. It's not theft. It's paying for what you use.
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No it's theft.
 
ptif219 said:
To go across NY on the toll road for a semi is over $100
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Yes and my ticket gets more expensive with the more weight I bring with me on a plane. Road erosion is subject to the weight of vehicles. More vehicles going through, more road erosion, larger vehicles going through, more road erosion.
 
Just for the record, my theory on taxes is that you shouldn't have to contribute MORE if you earn more, but each should be hit fairly when you tax. That's why a progressive system is fair.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes and my ticket gets more expensive with the more weight I bring with me on a plane. Road erosion is subject to the weight of vehicles. More vehicles going through, more road erosion, larger vehicles going through, more road erosion.
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Nice try but this is price gouging. The GW Bridge to go into NY is about $40 or more for a big truck
 
Gargantuan said:
Just for the record, my theory on taxes is that you shouldn't have to contribute MORE if you earn more, but each should be hit fairly when you tax. That's why a progressive system is fair.
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the USA has a progrssive tax-system.

the more money you make, the more you can afford to pay in income tax.

our highest rate is 35%, which is relatively low compared to other industrialized nations.

so all this yapping about how high Americans are taxed, is just crappola.
 
Thunder said:
Federal, state, and local income tax, taxes our income. It does not nor should it take into account those services that we did or did not take advantage of, each year.

Could you imagine the nightmare of red-tape that would be created, if we only paid taxes for those municipal services that we took advantage of?

"how many sidewalks did you walk on?"

"how many stoplights did you drive past?"

"how often did you go to the park?"

"did you ever call 911?"

"did you ever use an ambulance?"

..come on now, its just silly what you are suggesting.
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I've heard of ridiculous but are you seriously talking about per use? Nobody is talking about per use and that you even bring it into the conversation shows how clueless you are. If I don't use government programs like "SCHIP" I shouldn't be taxed for them. It doesn't matter how much you argue that I owe money for it, I've never used it - why do I owe anything into it?

Your argument is becoming more and more extremist. A sure sign that you don't have a dog in this fight. More like a cat.
 
Thunder said:
the USA has a progrssive tax-system.

the more money you make, the more you can afford to pay in income tax.

our highest rate is 35%, which is relatively low compared to other industrialized nations.

so all this yapping about how high Americans are taxed, is just crappola.
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Right, but the fact is there are numerous loopholes that rich lawyers can use to knock that 35% to 9%. And I still think it is unfair that one who earns 250,000 would be in the same tax burden group as one who earns 250 million.
 
ptif219 said:
Nice try but this is price gouging. The GW Bridge to go into NY is about $40 or more for a big truck
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No. It's not. Price gouging is relevant to food, clothing, shelter etc. all of which are essential. A state deeming that a truck which weighs double digit tons will damage their roads more than a Mazda is hardly price gouging.

:shrug:

sorry to burst yo bubble.
 
Gargantuan said:
And I still think it is unfair that one who earns 250,000 would be in the same tax burden group as one who earns 250 million.
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I agree 100%. We should raise the max. tax-rate to maybe 45%, but only for folks who make $10 million or more a year.
 
Thunder said:
I agree 100%. We should raise the max. tax-rate to maybe 45%, but only for folks who make $10 million or more a year.
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Or we could lower all of them and remove all loopholes/deductions completely. That would make things 100x easier. The size of IRS could probably be halved. If politicians are unwilling to take a hard look at all the loopholes and deductions they've allowed for the past century and get rid of them (I'm sure there are hundreds) then they could take the easy way and raise the highest bracket on higher earners, but that would really not solve the problem.
 
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