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Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

She does. Her older two are one day shy of 13 months apart. I am glad you were able to quit. Are you enjoying it, or going mildly stir-crazy? :)

I hate being stuck in the house. I was just starting to enjoy my freedom again. My oldest two are almost three years apart, so not too terrible. :)
 
Maybe they should give us all IQ tests, and the losers get shot out of a cannon.
 
I hate being stuck in the house. I was just starting to enjoy my freedom again. My oldest two are almost three years apart, so not too terrible. :)

My job is at home, customer service. But that works for me, because I'm a hermit. I don't do well 'out there'.
 
I'm starting to believe that civilization has increasingly been dumbing down the human race. Maybe the social Darwinists had a point.

Think of it kinda like this.

In the OP's story, a women took rat poison to off herself, after her boyfriend left her.
Now if she had previously wanted the child, but took the rat poison in a bout of emotional desperation, she killed a child she wanted.

It's a stretch but I don't think of it as bad, as being presented by the OP.
 
Think of it kinda like this.

In the OP's story, a women took rat poison to off herself, after her boyfriend left her.
Now if she had previously wanted the child, but took the rat poison in a bout of emotional desperation, she killed a child she wanted.

It's a stretch but I don't think of it as bad, as being presented by the OP.

I think this whole "chemical endangerment" law is just another example of legislators not thoroughly examining an issue and considering the consequences before acting. It's stupidity becomes readily apparent when the law is put into practice.

On the other hand, I also can't wait until we have sterilization by default.

I think I'm on my way to becoming a good fascist lol.
 
She absolutely deserves to be punished if it's true that she chemically endangered her child while pregnant.
 
I think this whole "chemical endangerment" law is just another example of legislators not thoroughly examining an issue and considering the consequences before acting. It's stupidity becomes readily apparent when the law is put into practice.

On the other hand, I also can't wait until we have sterilization by default.

I think I'm on my way to becoming a good fascist lol.

If I weren't a libertarian, I'd be a fascist.
 
I guess the greater question should be.
Should it be illegal to expose a fetus to toxic chemicals in utero, when you want to carry it to term?

The issue here is that there are varying degrees of toxicity. Obviously something like rat poison will **** you up. Should other things like a smoking, a drug habit, or alcoholism, although negligent and irresponsible, be criminalized and warrant a life sentence?
 
The issue here is that there are varying degrees of toxicity. Obviously something like rat poison will **** you up. Should other things like a smoking, a drug habit, or alcoholism, although negligent and irresponsible, be criminalized and warrant a life sentence?

If someone wants to carry it to term, I think it should be criminalized.
The social and financial costs of a child born from negligent behavior of the mother/father should definitely be criminal.
 
Re: rat poison. Shouldn't intent count for something? She intended to kill herself. I think she has to be a bit off her pins (as so thoroughly stated by MisstressNomad) to even do such a thing. I don't think the presence of a fetus played any part in her decision.
 
The issue here is that there are varying degrees of toxicity. Obviously something like rat poison will **** you up. Should other things like a smoking, a drug habit, or alcoholism, although negligent and irresponsible, be criminalized and warrant a life sentence?


But isn't it already, as I posted before .. if you drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol and end up taking a life in an accident you will be charged with taking that life .. now will it be a life sentence..... think that would depend .. plow into a bunch of 3rd graders and kill a few of them .. and I would think the chances are good it might be
 
Re: rat poison. Shouldn't intent count for something? She intended to kill herself. I think she has to be a bit off her pins (as so thoroughly stated by MisstressNomad) to even do such a thing. I don't think the presence of a fetus played any part in her decision.

I guess it's just what you believe .. I happen to beleive anyone that kills another person is crazy ... but I don't believe that excuses it
 
Re: rat poison. Shouldn't intent count for something? She intended to kill herself. I think she has to be a bit off her pins (as so thoroughly stated by MisstressNomad) to even do such a thing. I don't think the presence of a fetus played any part in her decision.

Actually when pregnant women try to kill themselves over a love quarrel, the death of the child is very often a major driving factor in the decision process. Again, your belief that people can/will only do terrible things if they are mentally ill isn’t valid.

Some people are evil, some angry and vengeful, some depressed, some have just had pain (phys. or emotion), some are misdirected and others are just crying out for attention.

The problem with your contention that suicide must be a mental illness is the methods used to derive such conclusions. If we follow your reasoning out to its logical conclusions, everyone must me mentally ill when they do something hateful or stupid (see above) etc.
 
My job is at home, customer service. But that works for me, because I'm a hermit. I don't do well 'out there'.

I prefer to work with animals. :)

Think of it kinda like this.

In the OP's story, a women took rat poison to off herself, after her boyfriend left her.
Now if she had previously wanted the child, but took the rat poison in a bout of emotional desperation, she killed a child she wanted.

It's a stretch but I don't think of it as bad, as being presented by the OP.

She may have originally wanted to be pregnant, but lost hope when the person she trusted bailed on her. She shouldn't be punished for that.

I think this whole "chemical endangerment" law is just another example of legislators not thoroughly examining an issue and considering the consequences before acting. It's stupidity becomes readily apparent when the law is put into practice.

On the other hand, I also can't wait until we have sterilization by default.

I think I'm on my way to becoming a good fascist lol.

Who gets sterilized, and who decides? I hope you're not serious.

She absolutely deserves to be punished if it's true that she chemically endangered her child while pregnant.

How should she be punished?
 
Who gets sterilized, and who decides? I hope you're not serious.

Registered Republicans and Democrats should be sterilized and GOD is the one who decided. He told me last night before I passed out from drinking too much.
 
Registered Republicans and Democrats should be sterilized and GOD is the one who decided. He told me last night before I passed out from drinking too much.

lulz Can't say I disagree. But some people come around to sanity. I, at one point, was a registered Republican. :3oops: Pro lifer to the extreme even.
 
lulz Can't say I disagree. But some people come around to sanity. I, at one point, was a registered Republican. :3oops: Pro lifer to the extreme even.

In that case, you will need to apply for a reproductive rights permit at the third window on the left. Please go to the end of the line and have your checkbook ready.
 
Wow. I just got here and finished reading the thread. I'm basically dumfounded by the article. If everything it states is true, then these women and many more like them are being charged for accidentally killing a foetus that they were legally entitled to abort intentionally. And in one case, a woman did everything she could to bring her pregnancy to term, the child lived for 19 minutes, and 6 months later she is charged under this "chemical endangerment" statute... a charge she denies and the article could not substantiate.

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around that. According to Roe v. Wade, these women had the absolute right to deliberately terminate their pregnancies; but because the pregnancies were terminated accidentally, they're facing life in prison for murder.

This is the most invasive and blatant end-run around Roe v. Wade I've seen. We cannot on the one hand say that women have absolute reproductive choice before the age of viability, and on the other hand say that if anything happens to the pregnancy because the woman did something that unintentionally terminated the pregnancy. That makes every miscarriage a potential murder case. A pregnant woman who falls off a bike, engages in a sport or strenuous workouts, who works long hours, who drives a car, or faces any one of a thousand normal daily dangers subsequently miscarries, she could be held responsible and charged with murder.

Look, my heart goes out to babies born of drug users, alcoholics, etc., but when it comes to a time where women are imprisoned for life because they miscarried, there is something very wrong with the system. This is an invasive, and in my view an unconstitutional violation of women's basic human rights. I'm really appalled... and stunned that so many people actually support what is being done here. :(
 
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