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President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

the Draft did indeed solve unemployment.... sort of... and temporarily. However, a draft is an artificial end to unemployment; and the company experienced shortages and rationing in WWII that put what they'd gone through in the 30's to shame. WWII had some beneficial effects (it forced FDR to stop attacking businesses and start working with them instead, which encouraged investment and expansion), but the natural unemployment rate didn't fall back down to what we would consider "norm" until 1946 - which, not coincidentally, was a year of massive reduction in government expenditures. All that money was released from government coffers to go to work in the private sector and it did.
Again, the Great Depression ended before WWII, though much of the economy was driven by preparing for the war. It wasn't just unemployment, which is a lagging indicator of the economy, it was GDP, which was 17.1 for 1941.
 
Hey it's really simple .. while you run excuses for Clinton . . you can't find a bill that was pass by anyone else now can you ?? Show Me the Reagan bill that had anything to do with the collapse .. or either Bush's bill other then the one I mentioned ..

What I find interesting .. Is that 2007 Democrats took control of both houses .. and did nothing to stop the slide .. now did they .. I know .. I know .. they had other important things to do ..

But lets ask the question ... what was the single biggest factor in the collapse ?
"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech
 
I know I think I'm on a merry-go- round- .. and it goes around and round like this with liberals .. . it's Bush's fault .. it's republicans fault .. it's Bush's fault .. it's republicans fault .. it's Bushes fault .. it's republcians fault .. over and over it's always the same story with you guys .. . and personally I think it's because liberals have nothing else, they certainly can't use the record of their performance ..

News flash .. Democrats controled both houses from 2006 to 2010 controlled both houses and the white house from 2008 to 2010 .. and still .. control the senate and the white house ..It's time to suck it up .. the majority of Americans are tired of the same old fluff ... and knows who is responsible for the shape of the economy "TODAY" and it's not Bush



Cool, would you rather we say it all started (the great bush recession) during the term of an unnamed President on December 2007,when the great recession began.:2wave:
 
I recall that liberals criticized Bush for many of the same reasons, ie that there's a lot of **** going on, and for the fact that he spent time at Camp David. I will call this topic Exhibit A when I present my argument that hardly anything matters beyond party affiliation.

In a few years we may have a Republican President and you'll be defending him/her every time they go to Camp David or take a break.

That is 100% how this goes. Criticize when it's not your party, defend when it is. Doesn't matter if you have to switch arguments, just continue the blind support of your side and the blind condemnation of the other.
 
Also notice how she claimed that sending U.S. troops into Kosovo would provoke a response by terrorists? How come Conservatives didn't voice that same concern when Bush sent U.S. troops into Iraq?


Because it was true (ie going into Iraw provoked the terrorists), and republicans run from the truth.
 
Actually, it's every Republican president in U.S. history which has given us a recession with the lone exception of James Garfield; and that's only because he wasn't in office long enough to give us a recession after tragically being shot just 4 months into his presidency. Republicans and miserable economies go hand in hand.

Wow!!

Just wow!
 
why is this breaking news? slow day?
 
Cool, would you rather we say it all started (the great bush recession) during the term of an unnamed President on December 2007,when the great recession began.:2wave:

You forget the most important part....his unspecified party affiliation
 
Cool, would you rather we say it all started (the great bush recession) during the term of an unnamed President on December 2007,when the great recession began.:2wave:

Personally .. . I don't really care who started it .. what I'm more interested in is that no one seems to be fixing it .. of course for liberals .. fixing it isn't the problem .. you have to first make sure that they take no responsibility for causing it, no responsibility for what has happened since they took over, and no responsibility for anything that might happen in the future because of their policies. Whats more important is deflect any criticism of policy by stating it's Bush's fault .
 
"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech

hmmm and that is an answer to the question what was the single biggest factor in the collaspe how again ??? Ah I forget . . Blaming Bush is your mantra .. lets now worry about facts ..
 
And it was Bush who was commander-in-chief on 9.11 who did diddly squat to prevent it.

The second Glass–Steagall Act (the Banking Act of 1933) was a reaction to the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system in early 1933. Literature in economics usually refers to this latter act simply as the Glass–Steagall Act,*

The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act effectively removed the separation that previously existed between Wall Street investment banks and depository banks.

The repeal enabled commercial lenders such as*Citigroup, which was in 1999 the largest U.S. bank by assets, to underwrite and trade instruments such as*mortgage-backed securities*and*collateralized debt obligations*and establish so-called*structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that bought those securities.[22]*Elizabeth Warren,[23]*author and one of the five outside experts who constitute the Congressional Oversight Panel of the*Troubled Asset Relief Program, has said that the repeal of this act contributed to the*Global financial crisis of 2008–2009

The year before the repeal,*sub-prime loans*were just five percent of all mortgage lending. *By the time the*credit crisis peaked*in 2008, they were approaching 30 percent.

So lets see if I have this straight .. the Glass Steagall act .. .was passed and signed into law ... because of the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system .

In 1999 president Clinton signs a repeal of that law .. and 8 years later we have a collapse of our banking system. With the major problem being that banks were now doing what the the Glass Steagall act prevented them from doing. The libs response to this …. well it was Bush's fault ..

Hey if you choose to walk around with blinders on .. thats fine by me I've understood the liberal mantra of destroy, do nothing , and blame others for a while now .. I remember NAFTA … another gem signed by the Clinton administration, that has proven (according to liberals anyway) to be great for America. I can't help to wonder when Ross Perot ran for president and told us this about NAFTA hear that sucking sound .. those are jobs leaving American ….. ah maybe he was wrong .. and that was just Bill getting his BJ in the white house .

Thankfully the people woke up quickly when Democrats took control of the two houses … and then the white house .. and showed just how incapable they were. November 2010 brought about one of the biggest changes in history …. keep along the path we are on now .. . 2012 will be just as big .. but hey just keep your blinders on .. remember it's all Bush's fault .. and Obama is going a great job ..

Now history aside .. . I can understand your need to keep Bush in the topic ... if My parties policies were failing as bad as yours .. I wouldn't want to talk about it either.. altho it's easier on me right now ... because I don't have a party ... until republicans prove that they have gone back to their roots . . I see them as the same spending jerks as the democrats
 
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Personally .. . I don't really care who started it .. what I'm more interested in is that no one seems to be fixing it .. of course for liberals .. fixing it isn't the problem .. you have to first make sure that they take no responsibility for causing it, no responsibility for what has happened since they took over, and no responsibility for anything that might happen in the future because of their policies. Whats more important is deflect any criticism of policy by stating it's Bush's fault .

Congress is in charge of passing laws that affect out economy. Right now, Congress is divided with the R's having a majority in the House, and D's in the Senate majority.

Both parties are to blame for whatever is and is not being done right now. However, with R's controlling the WH and Congress for most of the bush* admin, the R's are clearly responsible for largest spending spree in US history, and for the majority of the national debt
 
In 1999 president Clinton signs a repeal of that law .. and 8 years later we have a collapse of our banking system. With the major problem being that banks were now doing what the the Glass Steagall act prevented them from doing. The libs response to this …. well it was Bush's fault ..

You cannot expect a political party to take responsibility ... it's counter intuitive to expect such a thing and the narrative by all liberal and progressive mouth pieces around the country planned at the time how to address this and they decided that they would blame it on Bush (read: Journolist) - as he would be the perfect foil because of his low approval, high disapproval and general lack of popularity around the world. Even without journolist, it would have fallen that way - it always does and is one of the golden rules of politics - any politics: It's always the previous guys fault (e.g., "Sit down and write two letters.")
 
hmmm and that is an answer to the question what was the single biggest factor in the collaspe how again ??? Ah I forget . . Blaming Bush is your mantra .. lets now worry about facts ..
Yes, that was the answer. Bush credited Republican policies for driving homeownership to record levels. Of course, he gave them credit before anyone realized they had created a housing bubble on its way to exploding.
 
Yes, that was the answer. Bush credited Republican policies for driving homeownership to record levels. Of course, he gave them credit before anyone realized they had created a housing bubble on its way to exploding.


:lamo:lamo:lamo Bush created the housing bubble.....:lamo:lamo

that is funny stuff right there...

j-mac
 
The second Glass–Steagall Act (the Banking Act of 1933) was a reaction to the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system in early 1933. Literature in economics usually refers to this latter act simply as the Glass–Steagall Act,*

The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act effectively removed the separation that previously existed between Wall Street investment banks and depository banks.

The repeal enabled commercial lenders such as*Citigroup, which was in 1999 the largest U.S. bank by assets, to underwrite and trade instruments such as*mortgage-backed securities*and*collateralized debt obligations*and establish so-called*structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that bought those securities.[22]*Elizabeth Warren,[23]*author and one of the five outside experts who constitute the Congressional Oversight Panel of the*Troubled Asset Relief Program, has said that the repeal of this act contributed to the*Global financial crisis of 2008–2009

The year before the repeal,*sub-prime loans*were just five percent of all mortgage lending. *By the time the*credit crisis peaked*in 2008, they were approaching 30 percent.

So lets see if I have this straight .. the Glass Steagall act .. .was passed and signed into law ... because of the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system .

In 1999 president Clinton signs a repeal of that law .. and 8 years later we have a collapse of our banking system. With the major problem being that banks were now doing what the the Glass Steagall act prevented them from doing. The libs response to this …. well it was Bush's fault ..

Hey if you choose to walk around with blinders on .. thats fine by me I've understood the liberal mantra of destroy, do nothing , and blame others for a while now .. I remember NAFTA … another gem signed by the Clinton administration, that has proven (according to liberals anyway) to be great for America. I can't help to wonder when Ross Perot ran for president and told us this about NAFTA hear that sucking sound .. those are jobs leaving American ….. ah maybe he was wrong .. and that was just Bill getting his BJ in the white house .

Thankfully the people woke up quickly when Democrats took control of the two houses … and then the white house .. and showed just how incapable they were. November 2010 brought about one of the biggest changes in history …. keep along the path we are on now .. . 2012 will be just as big .. but hey just keep your blinders on .. remember it's all Bush's fault .. and Obama is going a great job ..

Now history aside .. . I can understand your need to keep Bush in the topic ... if My parties policies were failing as bad as yours .. I wouldn't want to talk about it either.. altho it's easier on me right now ... because I don't have a party ... until republicans prove that they have gone back to their roots . . I see them as the same spending jerks as the democrats
I don't see anyone blaming only Bush for the collapse. I've personally included Clinton in sharing the blame, as well as others. But why do you think the bill was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act?
 
:lamo:lamo:lamo Bush created the housing bubble.....:lamo:lamo

that is funny stuff right there...

j-mac

Well, we all know that Bush was all powerful, and Obama is just a President and has no power over anything....
 
:lamo:lamo:lamo Bush created the housing bubble.....:lamo:lamo

that is funny stuff right there...

j-mac
You think he's blameless?? He had nothing to do with it??
 
:lamo:lamo:lamo Bush created the housing bubble.....:lamo:lamo

that is funny stuff right there...

j-mac

bush* didn't create the housing bubble. The housing market was bubbling during that Clinton years. However, bush* not only did nothing to fix the problem, he threw fuel on the fire (my apologies for mixing metaphors)
 
I don't see anyone blaming only Bush for the collapse. I've personally included Clinton in sharing the blame, as well as others. But why do you think the bill was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act?

The ABC's of republicanism require that they Always Blame Clinton.
 
The second Glass–Steagall Act (the Banking Act of 1933) was a reaction to the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system in early 1933. Literature in economics usually refers to this latter act simply as the Glass–Steagall Act,*

The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act effectively removed the separation that previously existed between Wall Street investment banks and depository banks.

The repeal enabled commercial lenders such as*Citigroup, which was in 1999 the largest U.S. bank by assets, to underwrite and trade instruments such as*mortgage-backed securities*and*collateralized debt obligations*and establish so-called*structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that bought those securities.[22]*Elizabeth Warren,[23]*author and one of the five outside experts who constitute the Congressional Oversight Panel of the*Troubled Asset Relief Program, has said that the repeal of this act contributed to the*Global financial crisis of 2008–2009

The year before the repeal,*sub-prime loans*were just five percent of all mortgage lending. *By the time the*credit crisis peaked*in 2008, they were approaching 30 percent.

So lets see if I have this straight .. the Glass Steagall act .. .was passed and signed into law ... because of the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system .

In 1999 president Clinton signs a repeal of that law .. and 8 years later we have a collapse of our banking system. With the major problem being that banks were now doing what the the Glass Steagall act prevented them from doing. The libs response to this …. well it was Bush's fault ..

Hey if you choose to walk around with blinders on .. thats fine by me I've understood the liberal mantra of destroy, do nothing , and blame others for a while now .. I remember NAFTA … another gem signed by the Clinton administration, that has proven (according to liberals anyway) to be great for America. I can't help to wonder when Ross Perot ran for president and told us this about NAFTA hear that sucking sound .. those are jobs leaving American ….. ah maybe he was wrong .. and that was just Bill getting his BJ in the white house .

Thankfully the people woke up quickly when Democrats took control of the two houses … and then the white house .. and showed just how incapable they were. November 2010 brought about one of the biggest changes in history …. keep along the path we are on now .. . 2012 will be just as big .. but hey just keep your blinders on .. remember it's all Bush's fault .. and Obama is going a great job ..

Now history aside .. . I can understand your need to keep Bush in the topic ... if My parties policies were failing as bad as yours .. I wouldn't want to talk about it either.. altho it's easier on me right now ... because I don't have a party ... until republicans prove that they have gone back to their roots . . I see them as the same spending jerks as the democrats
By the way, can you explain specifically which portions of Glass-Steagall were removed which allowed banks to write the toxic loans which collapsed the market? (e.g., 1% ARMS and interest only loans)
 
bush* didn't create the housing bubble. The housing market was bubbling during that Clinton years. However, bush* not only did nothing to fix the problem, he threw fuel on the fire (my apologies for mixing metaphors)

you might want to go read up on that.

Bush tried in vain to stop fanny and freddie.
Only to be met with "you just dont want the lower class to be able to own property"

democrats, led by Barney frank and wind bag Kennedy are more culpable in our current financial state than anyone.
 
you might want to go read up on that.

Bush tried in vain to stop fanny and freddie.
Only to be met with "you just dont want the lower class to be able to own property"

democrats, led by Barney frank and wind bag Kennedy are more culpable in our current financial state than anyone.

Read this!! :lol:

http://www.i-medonline.com/html/bush_rnc_acceptance.html
"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech
 
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