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President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

Obama can't win on the economy, or foreign policy, or national security (think the border with Mexico), or any of the MANY promises he made to special interest groups that have not happened. HOW can he win?

Good luck on getting a response from any of the Obama cult as none like being challenged with actual facts and data so they ignore it or run away. Liberals that cannot blame someone else have nothing to debate since no one can defend the actual Obama record. Obama loves the perks of being President but lacks the ability to do the job. he has had close to 30 fund raisers and over 70 rounds of golf along with his vacations.
 
I'm amazed, really, that Dems are not running someone against him. Total disconnect from what is happening, IMO. No disrespect meant here. Just, really-- you liberal guys should put up another candidate. Obama is a fail. There is no way around that.
 
Good for McConnell, Obama had two years of total control and generated the results I have posted over and over again which of course you ignore. those results don't warrant re-election
McConnell took this position from the very beginning, he agreed with Rush Limbaugh. It's one thing for a private citizen to work against the current President, but it's quite another when a member of Congress says this, especially when the Senate Minority Leader says this.
Still waiting for your proof that Pelosi or Reid did this.
 
Yuupp....Obama sure needs a break....from all that campaign promise breaking.....flip flopping.....Constitution raping.....apologizing.......
 
McConnell took this position from the very beginning, he agreed with Rush Limbaugh. It's one thing for a private citizen to work against the current President, but it's quite another when a member of Congress says this, especially when the Senate Minority Leader says this.
Still waiting for your proof that Pelosi or Reid did this.

So Harry Reid calling Bush a liar and claiming the war was lost is ok? Democrats comparing Bush to Hitler is ok? You have selective outrage. Payback is hell, isn't it?

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/20/demo...en-calls-anyone-who-opposes-obamacare-a-nazi/
http://newsbusters.org/node/14103
http://thewaterglass.net/?p=2850
 
I'm amazed, really, that Dems are not running someone against him. Total disconnect from what is happening, IMO. No disrespect meant here. Just, really-- you liberal guys should put up another candidate. Obama is a fail. There is no way around that.
Frankly, I'm amazed the Republicans haven't fielded a more viable candidate all them are flawed. Perhaps the better candidates pretty much know Obama would be tough to beat and would prefer to wait until 2016. But then they'll probably have Andrew Cuomo to contend with.
 
Frankly, I'm amazed the Republicans haven't fielded a more viable candidate all them are flawed. Perhaps the better candidates pretty much know Obama would be tough to beat and would prefer to wait until 2016. But then they'll probably have Andrew Cuomo to contend with.

Wake up please sir:
Among all Americans, Obama and Romney are knotted at 47 percent each, and among registered voters, the former governor is numerically ahead, 49 percent to 46 percent.

Obama loses bin Laden bounce; Romney on the move among GOP contenders - The Washington Post

There are also polls showing a GENERIC Republican would beat Obama. Our brand is hot again, yours, cold, and lame. Good luck....yall are gonna need it lol.
 

Did they declare they would work to make Bush a one term President. Answer: No!!!
 
Good luck on getting a response from any of the Obama cult as none like being challenged with actual facts and data so they ignore it or run away.

Is this a joke?

I just provided actual facts and data about how Obama's Afghanistan strategy has succeeded.

I then just asked you for actual facts and data proving that Obama's Afghanistan strategy failed.

YOU GAVE ME NOTHING AND CHANGED THE SUBJECT.


Swizz-- why do you think things are better in Afghanistan? They are not. And Iraq is going down, too. Also wondering if you condone the new war in Libya, the secret wars in Yemen and Somalia... where do you get your news?

What do you want me to say? That I get it from Huffington Post and MSNBC? Don't worry about where I get my news, I have plenty of sources and they aren't selectively partisan.

I already told you how things are better in Afghanistan earlier in this thread, do some backreading.

Libya is another topic entirely. My feelings are mixed; I think going there is the right thing, but I fear a sustained long-term conflict, which I'm not so happy with. I can't get too upset about it though because our role is extremely limited. It cannot be compared with Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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Did they declare they would work to make Bush a one term President. Answer: No!!!

The Obama record will make him a one term President not anyone else's rhetoric. Obama had total Democrat control of Congress for two years so name for me the results to be proud of. You must not be getting the actual results up there in Oregon even though I gave you the sites that report actual data. It would help your credibility if you stopped reading the medai reports and actually do some research.
 
Wake up please sir:


Obama loses bin Laden bounce; Romney on the move among GOP contenders - The Washington Post

There are also polls showing a GENERIC Republican would beat Obama. Our brand is hot again, yours, cold, and lame. Good luck....yall are gonna need it lol.
I am fully awake, these polls are meaningless. Most of America doesn't pay attention to politics until weeks before the election. Besides Michele Bachmann is going to make Romney work for the nomination. Wasn't Hillary Clinton ahead at this stage and the presumed winner of the Democratic Party.
 
Is this a joke?

I just provided actual facts and data about how Obama's Afghanistan strategy has succeeded.

I then just asked you for actual facts and data proving that Obama's Afghanistan strategy failed.

YOU GAVE ME NOTHING AND CHANGED THE SUBJECT.

As did I but of course you called those opinion.

let me ask you, did Obama fire his own hand picked commander in Afghanistan, yes or no?
Did Obama tell the Taliban when he was going to leave Afghanistan, yes or no
Did Obama give the commanders the number of troops they asked for when they proposed an Iraq type surge?
Did Obama take the commanders advice when they gave him options about the Afghanistan draw down and his announcement about troop withdrawal?

You call the Afghanistan strategy a success yet have pointed to none other than getting Bin Laden which has been the strategy for the past 10 years. What changed?
 
The Obama record will make him a one term President not anyone else's rhetoric. Obama had total Democrat control of Congress for two years so name for me the results to be proud of. You must not be getting the actual results up there in Oregon even though I gave you the sites that report actual data. It would help your credibility if you stopped reading the medai reports and actually do some research.

Why don't post something original once in awhile???:roll:
 
I am fully awake, these polls are meaningless. Most of America doesn't pay attention to politics until weeks before the election. Besides Michele Bachmann is going to make Romney work for the nomination. Wasn't Hillary Clinton ahead at this stage and the presumed winner of the Democratic Party.

Looks to me like you aren't paying any attention to the Obama results either and that is what will be on the ballot in November 2012. Obama doesn't have the economic policy in place to generate the jobs and economic growth that will lead to re-election. You want badly to believe his rhetoric while ignoring his results.
 
Why don't post something original once in awhile???:roll:

You want me to make things up to make Obama look good, like you do? The record is there for all to see, you, however, choose to ignore it.
 
Nope, it hasn't been posted but thanks for playing.

The answer and the proof has been posted multiple times.

And I thank you for the invitation to cherry pick data, but my integrity requires that I decline your generous invitation
 
Looks to me like you aren't paying any attention to the Obama results either and that is what will be on the ballot in November 2012. Obama doesn't have the economic policy in place to generate the jobs and economic growth that will lead to re-election. You want badly to believe his rhetoric while ignoring his results.
The polls now are meaningless, they don't even measure likely voters, so if you want to hang you hat on them, fine, but expect everyone to put any faith in them.

Again, Michele Bachmann is going to give Mitt Romney a run for his money as the social conservatives don't trust him.
 
The answer and the proof has been posted multiple times.

So you say yet I gave you the BLS website where you can get unemployment by month going back to 1948 and you won't find any President with unemployment numbers like Obama, NONE, so thanks for playing. You lost as you notice no one is supporting your position.
 
The polls now are meaningless, they don't even measure likely voters, so if you want to hang you hat on them, fine, but expect everyone to put any faith in them.

Again, Michele Bachmann is going to give Mitt Romney a run for his money as the social conservatives don't trust him.

Whoever the Republicans run has an advantage in that the Obama record is reality and will be on the ballot. Only the diehard liberals will ignore the record and continue to divert to the past. Facts like this speak for themself.

YouTube - ‪Mitt on the Road: Allentown, PA‬‏
 
He did all this on his own, without his General's approval.

Ummm, the generals need the approval of POTUS, not the other way around, and I really doubt Obam is piloting plane loads of soldiers out of Afghanistan.

Besides, if he were, the wingnuts would whine about him wasting time flying to Afghanistan when he should be meeting with McConnel on raising the debt ceiling.
 
As did I but of course you called those opinion.

let me ask you, did Obama fire his own hand picked commander in Afghanistan, yes or no?

Um, yes, but that doesn't make it a success or failure. Was the Civil War a failure because Lincoln fired McClellan? Firing his commander does not inherently make the strategy a success or failure, you're lumping them together for no apparent reason.

Did Obama tell the Taliban when he was going to leave Afghanistan, yes or no

No, he told the American people our strategy in Afghanistan. What, do you think he's going to withdraw troops secretly without telling anyone? :lamo If Obama had not given a withdrawal date, we still would have withdrawn eventually, so the Taliban still would've found out eventually. I see no evidence that the timing of Obama's announcement has been helpful or hurtful. Can you imagine if he had been vague about the details? "Obama owes the American people an explanation! Those are my tax dollars paying for this war!"

Did Obama give the commanders the number of troops they asked for when they proposed an Iraq type surge?

Yes. Commanders proposed several (4, I believe it was) scenarios of a surge for Obama to choose from. Obama chose one of those options (the second highest and third lowest # of troops, I believe), crafted by the commanders, and asked if it could work before making his final decision. They said it would.

Even if you were right, again, I see no proof that this inherently meant failure. But you were wrong, so it's irrelevant.

Did Obama take the commanders advice when they gave him options about the Afghanistan draw down and his announcement about troop withdrawal?

Not exactly sure of the range of options he was given. I have heard that Petraeus wanted a slower drawdown. But again, Obama is the Commander In Chief. If the commanders were meant to make the decisions, our government would simply allow them to circumvent the president. But that's not how it works. And AGAIN, I see no proof that this is going to be harmful. You are mistaking your opinion for concrete evidence. Give me concrete evidence he has failed in Afghanistan, not your opinion.

You call the Afghanistan strategy a success yet have pointed to none other than getting Bin Laden which has been the strategy for the past 10 years. What changed?

Getting bin Laden was not the only thing I pointed to at all (can you read?)...although it clearly is a huge accomplishment and an enormous blow to the stature of al Qaeda.
I have also mentioned:
-We have killed 20 of the top 30 al Qaeda operatives since Obama got into office
-We have upped the drone strikes, which have gained bipartisan recognition as having helped turn the tide and regain our momentum
-We have begun training Afghan forces so they can sustain the security of their government without us indefinitely staying there to hold their hands
-The influence of the Taliban is weaker than it was when Obama got into office
-The presence of al Qaeda is weaker in Afghanistan than it was when Obama got into office

So, um, plenty changed. Just because Bob Gates and Petraeus were still around, doesn't mean Obama didn't make major adjustments to strategy and provide large amounts of resources to make a greater degree of success possible.

So, again. PLEASE show me the evidence that the strategy has failed. You keep pointing to specific choices in Obama's strategy that you would have done differently, but you are failing to prove to us that you are correct, you're just expecting us to believe you without any evidence.
 
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So you say yet I gave you the BLS website where you can get unemployment by month going back to 1948 and you won't find any President with unemployment numbers like Obama, NONE, so thanks for playing. You lost as you notice no one is supporting your position.
Like Sheik says, no Democratic President has received an economy like Obama did from Bush.

Why did Bush say "Wall Street is drunk" and never did anything about it. He let the economy crash and burn.
 
Look, run on that record and see how it works out for you because he cannot run on his promises and predictions regarding the economy. Not sure why you continue to support this empty suit but it is obvious that you hold him to a much lower standard than you ever would have held Bush. In war time you never tell the enemy when you are leaving so why is that a successful strategy here?

Conservative got pwned on the facts, so now he's trying the political arguement. The debate is no longer over whether Obama is doing what's best for the nation. Conservative is now arguing that Obama should do whatever he needs to do to get re-elected.
 
Obama can't win on the economy, or foreign policy, or national security (think the border with Mexico), or any of the MANY promises he made to special interest groups that have not happened. HOW can he win?

Ummm, I could be wrong, but I think he can win by winning the majority of electors from the Electoral College
 
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