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I wonder how many people are aware that public school funding comes primarily from property taxes.....
 
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I seriously say let them go. Operating from a place of fear is flat-out ****ing ridiculous. "What? Timmy's going to take his Lego's and go play at Bobby's house? ZOMG! We must stop him!" Bull****.
 
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They invest at the suffering of their people. Citizens in China work for almost nothing, in horrid conditions...while the Chinese govt. spends money on bridges and factories and cities that sit empty until they rot. Yeah, let's do a LOT of that. Sounds perfect.

The bold highlights the cough... cough... bull****. Ever been to China? They replace barricades that restrict truck access on a daily basis.
 
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Yeah, just like "the plan" has worked for the past 11 years. Declining wages, anemic job growth and an infrastructure that is being allowed to rot around our ears. Hey, at least we can still spend trillions of dollars on unnecessary warfare, amiright?

as painfull as it may be, you are onto something.
lets end the wars, all of them, iraq was the only real necessary message to send to state sponsored terrorism.
so lets end them,
your guy is in charge.. but dont hold your breath

"declining wages" is just not true.. (source)
anemic job growth I will give you, but again, your guy is in charge right?

and the infrastructure was supposed to be fixed by hiring millions of people with the stimulus money,
but instead unions both public and private got their hands on it to boost up entitlement shortfalls instead.
look,
the liberal party is making clowns out of themselves, but they arent funny clowns...
this is our future

EXPOSED
 
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Aaaaaaaaaand: We're down. G'nite, Gracie.

Minnesota Government Shuts Down as Talks Fail to Bridge Gap

Pricks. Unmitigated pricks.

July 1 (Bloomberg) -- Minnesota's government shut down today, idling thousands of state workers, after Democratic Governor Mark Dayton and Republican legislative leaders failed to resolve a budget stalemate at the start of the new fiscal year.

Dayton said Republicans refused to accept his proposal to raise taxes to close a $5 billion deficit, and he wouldn't approve a budget balanced solely by cutting spending. The two sides are $1.4 billion apart, he said.
 
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Where do billionaires go when they leave? Europe has high taxes... everywhere that isn't 3rd or 2nd world has high taxes. I am just really interested where they'd go. There are also millionaires in Europe, so they aren't moving out nor have I ever heard that they are leaving in droves. I also know that some cities and townships have really ****ing high tax rates and property taxes, but people live there and choose to all the time.

In fact, your state, Texas, I am told, has super high property taxes but people still choose to live there and buy property there. Alaska is the same... Alaska has no taxes for individuals, just super high property taxes.

I know why people live in the local cities and townships here and pay high taxes.... it's because of the things the cities do with those taxes. Really good schools is usually top of the list. In Alaska every person gets an oil dividend or tax credit, so even though they pay super high property taxes they get something back.

It's the whole, you get what you pay for thing... and America is starting to resemble a second world country IMHO. China is going to surpass us, and they are investing in their country. I don't want to pay higher taxes and feel like I am living in a country that is falling apart, but I would be willing to living in a country that is moving ahead and investing in itself and pay taxes. If you use 100% percent of the tax revenues to simply pay off the debt and let everything else crumble, people are going to be pissed and not enjoy living in America. The country has to be desirable to live in. We want our kids to have opportunities in the future, and want opportunities.

Looking at houses right now...I can buy a house appraised at 98k with property taxes of $2300 a year, which is just about 2.347%. This is in Dallas county, an area with historically higher tax rates. So as far as high goes??? I can't compare that to another state, never bought or sought a house in one.
 
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The bold highlights the cough... cough... bull****. Ever been to China? They replace barricades that restrict truck access on a daily basis.


Source 1


China's ghost towns: New satellite pictures show massive skyscraper cities which are STILL completely empty | Mail Online

China’s Ghost Cities And Malls (Video) | Disinformation

Poor quality of life for China's population - China.org.cn 97th out of 194...awesome.

Quality of Life vs. Standard of Living | Ryan McLaughlin
 
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Here's a little state-to-state comparison, MN v TX

Minnesota
Income Tax
For single taxpayers:
-- 5.35 percent on the first $22,770 of taxable income.
-- 7.05 percent on taxable income between $23,771 and $74,780.
-- 7.85 percent on taxable income of $74,781 and above.

For married couples filing jointly:
-- 5.35 percent on the first $33,280 of taxable income.
-- 7.05 percent on taxable income between $33,281 and $132,220.
-- 7.85 percent on taxable income of $132,221 and above


Sales Tax
•The sales tax in Minnesota increased on July 1, 2009 to 6.875 percent.
•Minnesota's state tax department also administers sales tax for several local governments. Updates of local sales tax rates are posted on the state's Revenue website.
•The state also imposes a use tax on items purchased elsewhere but used within Minnesota.


Property Tax
•Each spring, Minnesota property owners get a property tax bill from their county. Three factors that affect the tax bill are the amount the local governments (town, city, county, etc.) spend to provide services to the community, the estimated market value of the property and the classification of the property (how it is used).
•Each county property assessor determines the classification (home, apartment, cabin, farm, business) of all property according to its use. Each class of property is then taxed at a different percentage of its value. This percentage, or class rate, is determined by the state legislature.

The average is 1.27%


Texas
Income Tax
Texas residents pay no personal state income tax.


Sales Tax
•Texas has a 6.25 percent state sales tax.
•Local sales and use taxes levied by cities, counties, transit and special purpose districts can add up to 2 percent to the sales tax, making the combined total on purchases as high as 8.25 percent.

Texas also offers a tax-free weekend for the purchase of all school-related items (valued under a specific amount), including clothing


Property Tax
•Texas does not have a state property tax.
•Local taxing units -- counties, cities and school districts -- assess and collect property taxes on all real and income-producing tangible personal property not exempt by state or federal law. Personal property -- including automobiles, airplanes, boats and travel trailers -- that does not produce income is mostly exempt from taxation.

A residential homestead exemption is available for all who owned property on Jan. 1. A greater exemption is available for taxpayers 65 and older or disabled.

The average is 2.57%.
 
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They invest at the suffering of their people. Citizens in China work for almost nothing, in horrid conditions...while the Chinese govt. spends money on bridges and factories and cities that sit empty until they rot. Yeah, let's do a LOT of that. Sounds perfect.

I am not praising China, nor do I desire to live there... The fact is America used to invest in infrastructure and spend money on things like inventing electricity and NASA. Now we have bridges collapsing and killing people. We once put a man on the damn moon. We built the highway system and that was amazing in its time.

And now it seems you are telling me we have to let China pass us up, because it can ONLY be done on the backs of the people... slave laboring with zero workers rights? America didn't build infrastructure that way, never did.

But it's ironic to notice that you are conservative and the GOP is trying to hamper worker rights in this country, however, your attitude is still... we can't compete with China, we can't have modern, state of the art infrastructure. Sounds to me like the GOP's attitude is to weaken worker rights for the sake of budgeting, but won't use any proceeds to invest in the country. They won't anything to invest in the country.

The Chinese government has a different attitude than the GOP, little workers rights but use the proceeds to invest in the country. I am not not saying I agree with what China does, I don't... but it begs the question, why don't you believe in investing in America and when will be the time?

I think American people lost their drive and their ambition, setting high goals and actually reaching them. We don't want to be the best anymore. People don't want to be a modern high tech country because it involves some government planning, and government officials have duped us into not trusting them instead of expecting them to make us succeed.
 
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I wonder how many people are aware that public school funding comes primarily from property taxes.....

That's not true... some communities have a school district tax. If your city or township doesn't have a school district tax, the tax is usually paid through property tax. That's the only two ways I have seen school taxes collected.
 
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I seriously say let them go. Operating from a place of fear is flat-out ****ing ridiculous. "What? Timmy's going to take his Lego's and go play at Bobby's house? ZOMG! We must stop him!" Bull****.

They won't do their jobs... they are freaking cowards.
 
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The bold highlights the cough... cough... bull****. Ever been to China? They replace barricades that restrict truck access on a daily basis.

I admit I don't know much about China and how their Communist Republic actually works, but I think it's interesting...
 
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I am not praising China, nor do I desire to live there... The fact is America used to invest in infrastructure and spend money on things like inventing electricity and NASA. Now we have bridges collapsing and killing people. We once put a man on the damn moon. We built the highway system and that was amazing in its time.

And now it seems you are telling me we have to let China pass us up, because it can ONLY be done on the backs of the people... slave laboring with zero workers rights? America didn't build infrastructure that way, never did.

But it's ironic to notice that you are conservative and the GOP is trying to hamper worker rights in this country, however, your attitude is still... we can't compete with China, we can't have modern, state of the art infrastructure. Sounds to me like the GOP's attitude is to weaken worker rights for the sake of budgeting, but won't use any proceeds to invest in the country. They won't anything to invest in the country.

The Chinese government has a different attitude than the GOP, little workers rights but use the proceeds to invest in the country. I am not not saying I agree with what China does, I don't... but it begs the question, why don't you believe in investing in America and when will be the time?

I think American people lost their drive and their ambition, setting high goals and actually reaching them. We don't want to be the best anymore. People don't want to be a modern high tech country because it involves some government planning, and government officials have duped us into not trusting them instead of expecting them to make us succeed.

Perhaps you mean generating? Nobody "invented" electricity. Ben Franklin discovered conductivity, Edison discovered how to use it to generate light...neither one of them received government money that I'm aware of. As for the rest of your post, I'm not responding to assumptions and generalizations because they're a waste of time and, quite frankly, you wouldn't listen anyway.

I did not say we can't compete with China. My point was that China is doing things the wrong way. They're investing in infrastructure but not in people. People suffer, infrastructure is going to waste, money is being wasted, and the people are no better for it. What does it matter if they have state of the art cities but nobody living in them??? To say "China's doing this and we should too" is a very generalized, vague argument. Should we invest in infrastructure? Sure! Should we penalize people do to it, like China does? Hell no! Should we create super state-of-the-art cities that nobody can afford to live in? Absolutely not!

When the money doesn't exist, changes have to be made. We can't keep paying for everything everybody wants when the money doesn't exist. Do you buy your son a brand new graphics computer for college at $1600 when the mortgage is due and you're $300 short? That computer would sure help him, but so does having a house. Tough decisions have to made by familes, and the government is no different. We can raise taxes every day on everybody above poverty but it won't solve the problem.

Cuts are necessary. Spending is out of control, and yet the problems still exist. Do you ever stop to ask why? Do you ever even consider the fact that maybe money isn't the biggest or even most important problem in poor performance? Do you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, we spend so much time focusing on their message of cuts and punishment of the poor for lack of resources that we're missing for the forest for the trees? We don't ask them to justify the spending because they've convinced us we need it. But are we seeing results?
 
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Looking at houses right now...I can buy a house appraised at 98k with property taxes of $2300 a year, which is just about 2.347%. This is in Dallas county, an area with historically higher tax rates. So as far as high goes??? I can't compare that to another state, never bought or sought a house in one.

Maybe the tax structure changed... but that is really not that important of a point, yet that's the only thing you decided to address in what I said.
 
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They won't do their jobs... they are freaking cowards.

Did you call the dems cowards when they left the state to avoid debating/voting on the union buster bill Scott Walker was trying to push? Just curious.
 
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Riiiight. That's a GREAT idea...for a third world nation.

Of course, we do have all these children just enjoying their childhoods. Why not put them back to work? Nothing builds character like forcing an 8 year old to do back breaking heavy labor 14 hours a day, every day for a few dollars a week...amiright?

Well then I must life in a 3rd world nation, as I got the idea from our local city council's discussion on just that topic to try to keep the roads up while being very strapped for cash in this Obama economy.
 
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Maybe the tax structure changed... but that is really not that important of a point, yet that's the only thing you decided to address in what I said.

As I stated in another post, I don't address generalities and assumptions.
 
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as painfull as it may be, you are onto something.
lets end the wars, all of them, iraq was the only real necessary message to send to state sponsored terrorism.
so lets end them,
your guy is in charge.. but dont hold your breath

I think that most people would be satisfied if there was a definitive date for ALL troops being removed.

I agree, while troops are being scaled down, we still have a large and expensive presence there that is likely to remain for quite some time even without a concrete objective.

"declining wages" is just not true.. (source)

In real terms, it's definitely true. Wages HAVE declined since 2000. There was an uptick because of the leadup to the sub-prime crisis but if you factor in the extreme devaluation of the US dollar, the middle-class and below takes a HUGE hit in the wage department.

anemic job growth I will give you, but again, your guy is in charge right?

"In charge" is such an exaggeration of the full situation. We have a government with 3 branches. The executive branch cannot force positive action from a party whose stated goal is to destroy the federal government, and therefore the US economy in general, in order to gut social spending while spending exponentially increasing sums of money on a "defense" budget that now seems primarily concerned with offense.

Do the Dems share the blame at this point? Sure, but only because they seem willing to compromise their principles in the face of opponents who refuse to compromise.

Private sector job growth has been anemic for the past decade. Again the only "shining" point since 2000 was the housing bubble created by empty financial mechanisms that put alot of money in the hands of the very people who are now "hands off" by the right as far as tax raises are concerned.



and the infrastructure was supposed to be fixed by hiring millions of people with the stimulus money,
but instead unions both public and private got their hands on it to boost up entitlement shortfalls instead.


The stimulus wasn't intended to completely fix the infrastructure. It was intended to shore up jobs and stop the hemorrhaging created by the economic collapse. In order to fix our current infrastructure AND develop the infrastructure needed to grow an economy, we would have to take ALL the money from the military actions and devote it to infrastructure programs and it would still fall short.

look,
the liberal party is making clowns out of themselves, but they arent funny clowns...
this is our future

EXPOSED

Nobody is laughing about the joke of an economy produced by nearly 6 years of complete control by the "conservative" party either.

At least tax increases and infrastructure spending have proven records of success as demonstrated by the prosperity and growth generated by the "New Deal".
 
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But that doesn't really prove anything.
It proves it's not a myth. That was my only point. If you cannot get that yet or are trying to disprove some nuance, go ahead. But that was not my intent.
 
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Dayton continued: “I offered a plan to raise the taxes of only those Minnesotans who make more than $1 million per year. That is less than 0.3% of the state population. Despite many hours of negotiations, the Republican caucus remains adamantly opposed to new taxes.”

Earlier in the week, Gov. Dayton said a deal would have to be done by Wednesday in order to draft and pass the necessary legislation. But Thursday, the governor continued meeting with GOP leaders on-and-off trying to put an agreement in place.

At around 10 p.m. Thursday evening Gov. Dayton rejected a two page temporary funding deal from the GOP leadership that would keep the Minnesota government operational for an additional 10 days.

"There are a lot of people on the steps of the Capitol right now asking us to not shut down the government. This document is their answer,” Koch said referring to the lights-on bill.

When asked his response to the 10-day temporary funding bill, Gov. Dayton’s answer was frank and clear: “I think it’s a publicity stunt,” he replied.

He's right. It is.
 
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Did you call the dems cowards when they left the state to avoid debating/voting on the union buster bill Scott Walker was trying to push? Just curious.

The dems are incredible cowards too... If either party dropped their party's dogma and stopped fearing the political consequences from other politicians and worried about the actual people and the country for a change, we'd be in a better place today.
 
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As I stated in another post, I don't address generalities and assumptions.

I'd like to know where most of the millionaires and billionaires move to... BTW, point out my generalities and assumptions? You made a claim, I want more details about that claim.
 
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It proves it's not a myth. That was my only point. If you cannot get that yet or are trying to disprove some nuance, go ahead. But that was not my intent.

The article fails to support your point regardless of your intent.
 
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So you have never been to China, and expect us to take your third rate sources as the mean. Are there ghost towns in China? Probably (although i have never seen them in person). Are there ghost towns all over the world? Of course there are! Take a trip to Toledo Ohio for a local example.

However, such instances are outliers and do not represent the mean.

Also; there is no need to straw man with the quality of life argument.
 
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