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Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

You don't know they would have done so anyways, you're making that assumption based off the entraped senario wherein the crime is facilitated outside, coordinated with law enforcement. If some perv is sitting in an adult chat room and some "kid" (there's no kid) starts chatting up, it's different than if they're trolling. And that doesn't even speak to whether or not they would go less heavily encouraged by the other party. It's definitily not something people should do; but because we've attached so much emotion to this particular form of crime, we allow ourselves to become blind to the actions taken by authority and others. You still can't entrap, and this seems to me to be very clearly entrapment.

I am not aware of these people actually being accused of sex with a minor or being charged with a crime like statutory rape.

We aren't charging them with a crime they didn't commit, and are you honestly arguing that these people would go to a young girl's house "just to hang out?" Are you telling me you believe their excuses?

What they did was inappropriate and socially unacceptable? Can you at least agree with that?

As far as what these guys are charged with, what are they charged with? Is Chris Hansen just humiliating them, or are they charged with a crime, and what's the crime?

In any case these males are acting on behavior that is unacceptable and potentially dangerous to other people in society. I am not being over emotional. The point is, if they are outed then that's better than not being outed, wouldn't you agree?

And what do you even suggest be done?
 
I am not aware of these people actually being accused of sex with a minor or being charged with a crime like statutory rape.

We aren't charging them with a crime they didn't commit, and are you honestly arguing that these people would go to a young girl's house "just to hang out?" Are you telling me you believe their excuses?

What they did was inappropriate and socially unacceptable? Can you at least agree with that?

As far as what these guys are charged with, what are they charged with? Is Chris Hansen just humiliating them, or are they charged with a crime, and what's the crime?

In any case these males are acting on behavior that is unacceptable and potentially dangerous to other people in society. I am not being over emotional. The point is, if they are outed then that's better than not being outed, wouldn't you agree?

And what do you even suggest be done?

They are charged with crimes because as soon as they leave the house, they are arrested. It's a big sting operation. These people do act in manners which are not acceptable; but we can't use government for or collusion with the State to encourage them to act in that manner and then arrest them.
 
It's dependent on the "how". If a cop goes up and buys drugs off of someone, that is not entrapment. The person is selling drugs. If the cop is sitting around with some dude and says "Hey, I know where we can get a lot of drugs, if we sell them we can make a lot of money" blah blah blah. Then subsequently sets everything up for the person to get those drugs to sell, convinces that person to get the drugs, allows the person to drive over where they would get the drugs which is actually a sting in process; that would be in my opinion entrapment as the crime is facilitated, not naturally developed.

So if they cops actually let these guys have sex with the girl, you wouldn't have a problem with them conducting these investigations... Because anything else would be entrapment, no wait, wait. You understand what entrapment is.

Is the difference between the cops saying,

14 year old girl, home alone and horny!!!

Private messenger spam: Hey, you want to come over and have sex? I am 14 and you seem like a really nice guy, and I think you're cute.

or saying this,

Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece. That's really cool... yeah, I like to go swimming. No, I don't have a boyfriend.

Entrapment isn't legal. The charges would be dropped by an honest judge, as they should. You don't have any damn proof that we are being over emotional or that Chris Hansen was entrapping anybody, which I don't support doing. However, I understand that this kind of sting can be done without entrapment being necessary.

I feel like you're just lecturing us for the sake of lecturing us, and I am also kind of sick of seeing you get in all these threads involving this topic and telling people to stop being so emotional about kids being potentially molested, raped, or worse.
 
They are charged with crimes because as soon as they leave the house, they are arrested. It's a big sting operation. These people do act in manners which are not acceptable; but we can't use government for or collusion with the State to encourage them to act in that manner and then arrest them.

What are they charged with, do you know? And what would you support being done in this case...

What are the usual charges these people get?
 
So if they cops actually let these guys have sex with the girl, you wouldn't have a problem with them conducting these investigations... Because anything else would be entrapment, no wait, wait. You understand what entrapment is.

Is the difference between the cops saying,

14 year old girl, home alone and horny!!!

Private messenger spam: Hey, you want to come over and have sex? I am 14 and you seem like a really nice guy, and I think you're cute.

or saying this,

Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece. That's really cool... yeah, I like to go swimming. No, I don't have a boyfriend.

Entrapment isn't legal. The charges would be dropped by an honest judge, as they should. You don't have any damn proof that we are being over emotional or that Chris Hansen was entrapping anybody, which I don't support doing. However, I understand that this kind of sting can be done without entrapment being necessary.

I feel like you're just lecturing us for the sake of lecturing us, and I am also kind of sick of seeing you get in all these threads involving this topic and telling people to stop being so emotional about kids being potentially molested, raped, or worse.

And I'm sick of emotionalized argument excusing questionable government force. So I guess we're even on that one. There are ways you could police this without entrapment; but what is being done is not that. It's facilitating, encouraging, and promoting the crime to get an arrest. Which is entrapment. Sorry, but that's the cold, hard facts. Plenty of these cases have been dismissed, more should be because this sort of behavior should not be endorsed.
 
What are they charged with, do you know? And what would you support being done in this case...

What are the usual charges these people get?

Soliciting sex from a minor, attempt to meet a minor for the purpose of sex, etc.
 
And I'm sick of emotionalized argument excusing questionable government force. So I guess we're even on that one. There are ways you could police this without entrapment; but what is being done is not that. It's facilitating, encouraging, and promoting the crime to get an arrest. Which is entrapment. Sorry, but that's the cold, hard facts. Plenty of these cases have been dismissed, more should be because this sort of behavior should not be endorsed.

How do you know that and what's your proof?

When I was younger, older men did hit on me online frequently.... some would even ask if I wanted to try "cyber sex." And I went to middle school with girls that had the same experiences... I remember even talking about it in middle school on the play ground, what could "cyber sex" possibly mean and making jokes about it. My initial reaction that it was something that would be 3d and graphics and it would involve our computers reacting to each other, that's how naive I was.

I honest to God, don't think catching a predator online is like finding a needle in a haystack. Go to a chat for teens, when I was younger there were people in there who obviously were not teens and they didn't make it a secret.
 
Soliciting sex from a minor, attempt to meet a minor for the purpose of sex, etc.

And if they asked a minor for sex online, they are guilty of the crime...
 
So if they cops actually let these guys have sex with the girl, you wouldn't have a problem with them conducting these investigations... Because anything else would be entrapment, no wait, wait. You understand what entrapment is.

Is the difference between the cops saying,

14 year old girl, home alone and horny!!!

Private messenger spam: Hey, you want to come over and have sex? I am 14 and you seem like a really nice guy, and I think you're cute.

or saying this,

Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece. That's really cool... yeah, I like to go swimming. No, I don't have a boyfriend.

Entrapment isn't legal. The charges would be dropped by an honest judge, as they should. You don't have any damn proof that we are being over emotional or that Chris Hansen was entrapping anybody, which I don't support doing. However, I understand that this kind of sting can be done without entrapment being necessary.

I feel like you're just lecturing us for the sake of lecturing us, and I am also kind of sick of seeing you get in all these threads involving this topic and telling people to stop being so emotional about kids being potentially molested, raped, or worse.


you have a good point here .. I think this debate would be better served if we could see the actual transcripts of the online chats.

Well I'm inclined to be in favor of doing whatever we can do to stop these predators, we do need to stay in the confines of the law ..

Both cases you give of conversations in no way makes it excusable for an adult male to act upon .. But the first one … goes to the border of entrapment … and might even cross that line .. as I said that does not excuse the male (IMO) but if I were on a jury … I would have to question law enforcement using entrapment
 
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you have a good point here .. I think this debate would be better served if we could see the actual transcripts of the online chats.

Well I'm inclined to be in favor of doing whatever we can do to stop these predators, we do need to stay in the confines of the law ..

Both cases you give of conversations in no way makes it excusable for an adult male to act upon .. But the first one … goes to the border of entrapment … and might even cross that line .. as I said that does not excuse the male (IMO) but if I were on a jury … I would have to question law enforcement using entrapment

I don't think it excuses the male either... I am pretty sure the way it has to work for the charge to stick is that the the accused predator has to say, "I'd like to come over to your house and *sexually explicit description here.*"

If she invites him over, it's not going to work. If she offers to have sex with him, it's entrapment... even though he'd still be saying yes to the offer and that's wrong, it's still entrapment because she made the offer and put the idea in his head.

These conversations like, "Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece,"... can easily lead to

Where do you live?
What do your parents do for a living?
Where do you go to school, do you like your school?
What are your hobbies?
Do you play sports?
Do you have a boyfriend?
Do you like boys who play football... or "you like music, don't you? You probably have a boyfriend in a band?"
I can play guitar and I sing.
I like the same hobbies you like.
I know your neighborhood.
 
And I'm sick of emotionalized argument excusing questionable government force. So I guess we're even on that one.

Your problem is I am not being emotional. I am being rational, and I am rationally saying that these stings don't require entrapment. If the case involves entrapment, it should be thrown out. So overall, I don't have a problem with these investigations if they are done properly, and no, the government isn't "forcing" anybody to meet a girl for sex. I think you're the only being rash and a little over emotional.
 
What do I mean you people? You people who piss bitch and moan that Chris Hanson embarrass men who try to have sex with 12 year olds.

I'm sorry that you're incapable of appreciating irony. I never "bitched and moaned" about Chris Hansen doing anything. I just think it's funny.
 
I don't think it excuses the male either... I am pretty sure the way it has to work for the charge to stick is that the the accused predator has to say, "I'd like to come over to your house and *sexually explicit description here.*"

If she invites him over, it's not going to work. If she offers to have sex with him, it's entrapment... even though he'd still be saying yes to the offer and that's wrong, it's still entrapment because she made the offer and put the idea in his head.

These conversations like, "Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece,"... can easily lead to

Where do you live?
What do your parents do for a living?
Where do you go to school, do you like your school?
What are your hobbies?
Do you play sports?
Do you have a boyfriend?
Do you like boys who play football... or "you like music, don't you? You probably have a boyfriend in a band?"
I can play guitar and I sing.
I like the same hobbies you like.
I know your neighborhood.

I understand, and we agree that anyone that agrees to meet a minor for sex .. is an offender .. and we agree that sting operations should remain inside the confines of the law .. That is why I'm saying that much of this dicussion is baseless, because we don't know how or what was said in those chats .. so we have no way of determining if entrapment occured or not ...

I guess what I'm saying is I can see both sides and if you leave personal feelings out of the equasion, (which is cases such as this is hard to do because meeting a 14 year old girl for sex is wrong on so many fronts) everyone should be agreeing that if "in fact" entrapment was used, it's wrong... ours is a system of laws .. and they must be obeyed.
 
I'm sorry that you're incapable of appreciating irony. I never "bitched and moaned" about Chris Hansen doing anything. I just think it's funny.

If Chris Hansen was caught on video trying to steal a car or credit card or trying to rip off someone on repairs or was caught trying to solicit a 12 year old for sex then it would be irony. Most of the people I see jumping on this little pathetic bandwagon of yours are those who have a problem with him embarrassing these types of people.
 
Your problem is I am not being emotional. I am being rational, and I am rationally saying that these stings don't require entrapment. If the case involves entrapment, it should be thrown out. So overall, I don't have a problem with these investigations if they are done properly, and no, the government isn't "forcing" anybody to meet a girl for sex. I think you're the only being rash and a little over emotional.

I never claimed the government forced anyone to do so. I said that they enabled the crime by encouraging and promoting specific outcomes. Enticing people to come and break the law essentially. I think at best these sorts of stings walk a very fine line; and we need to be extremely careful that the government is obeying the restrictions placed upon it. In many instances specifically as it relates to the current topic, it seems very much like entrapment to me. They play the part of the girl, they respond in ways to bait and hook people, they entice them to come over to the house. Now of course at any point a rational individual would most likely immediately stop communication with a minor. However, that doesn't dissuade from the fact that a collaboration between "private citizen" and government agents collude to spur and promote people to break the law so that they can subsequently arrest and charge them.
 
If Chris Hansen was caught on video trying to steal a car or credit card or trying to rip off someone on repairs or was caught trying to solicit a 12 year old for sex then it would be irony. Most of the people I see jumping on this little pathetic bandwagon of yours are those who have a problem with him embarrassing these types of people.

...dude, what's wrong with you?

It's not like pedophilia will skyrocket without Chris Hansen. The guy was caught committing adultery on tape, which is absolutely ironic since adultery is a crime and he made a career of outing criminals on tape. We, being normal people, find that funny. I don't feel any sympathy toward pedophiles. I just think it's chuckle-worthy, especially since he wined and dined her in my hometown and things like this don't usually happen here.

If you don't find it funny, then by all means, feel free not to offer your pointlessly hostile opinion.
 
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...dude, what's wrong with you?

It's not like pedophilia will skyrocket without Chris Hansen. The guy was caught committing adultery on tape, which is absolutely ironic since adultery is a crime and he made a career of outing criminals on tape.

Is adultery actually a crime in Florida? If it is a crime what kind of crime is it? It is a misdemeanor(An offense that is punishable with a year or less incarcerated) or felony(and offense with more than a year incarcerated)? What law in Florida says adultery is a crime?


We, being normal people, find that funny. I don't feel any sympathy toward pedophiles. I just think it's chuckle-worthy, especially since he wined and dined her in my hometown and things like this don't usually happen here.

If you don't find it funny, then by all means, feel free not to offer your pointlessly hostile opinion.
There was nothing hostile about what I said. It is the truth that most people on this pathetic bandwagon of yours are those who are pissed that he embarrasses sexual predators,car theives, credit card theives and crooked repair men and are somehow trying to use this pathetic attempt to make it somehow seem like its the same as what the scum on TV he embarrasses and or help police arrest.
 
Is adultery actually a crime in Florida? If it is a crime what kind of crime is it? It is a misdemeanor(An offense that is punishable with a year or less incarcerated) or felony(and offense with more than a year incarcerated)? What law in Florida says adultery is a crime?



There was nothing hostile about what I said. It is the truth that most people on this pathetic bandwagon of yours are those who are pissed that he embarrasses sexual predators,car theives, credit card theives and crooked repair men and are somehow trying to use this pathetic attempt to make it somehow seem like its the same as what the scum on TV he embarrasses and or help police arrest.

Will you chill out? No one is saying cheating on your wife is on the same level of evil as pedophilia. Why do you feel the need to swing your nads all up on this thread and call it pathetic?

I don't care that he embarrasses anyone, and I'm not trying to say he's on the same tier of crime as a pedo. I think it's funny that a man who made his career on taping criminals got caught on tape in a compromising position. That's pretty much it.

But no, you have to quote my OP and hit me with the royal "you people" and "your bandwagon" as if I'm committing some kind of moral outrage by laughing at something ironic and harmless, or literally equating Chris Hansen's act to pedophilia.

Take your puritanical sense of humor somewhere else. This is an online thread, not a voting booth. You're not duty-bound to crap on my fun, or judge my sense of humor.
 
Will you chill out? No one is saying cheating on your wife is on the same level of evil as pedophilia. Why do you feel the need to swing your nads all up on this thread and call it pathetic?

I don't care that he embarrasses anyone, and I'm not trying to say he's on the same tier of crime as a pedo. I think it's funny that a man who made his career on taping criminals got caught on tape in a compromising position. That's pretty much it.

But no, you have to quote my OP and hit me with the royal "you people" and "your bandwagon" as if I'm committing some kind of moral outrage by laughing at something ironic and harmless, or literally equating Chris Hansen's act to pedophilia.

Take your puritanical sense of humor somewhere else. This is an online thread, not a voting booth. You're not duty-bound to crap on my fun, or judge my sense of humor.

When you utter stupid crap like this "The guy was caught committing adultery on tape, which is absolutely ironic since adultery is a crime and he made a career of outing criminals on tape." and say its irony you are basically trying to compare his actions to those he catches on video .
 
When you utter stupid crap like this "The guy was caught committing adultery on tape, which is absolutely ironic since adultery is a crime and he made a career of outing criminals on tape." and say its irony you are basically trying to compare his actions to those he catches on video .

No, I'm not trying to compare anything. The man caught criminals on tape, and got taped committing a crime. I don't give a damn that it's a misdemeanor, and I'm not trying to literally equate cheating on your wife with a consensual adult to raping a kid. The only one uttering stupid crap here is you, for coming in here with your inflated sense of self-importance and talking down to me over something as ridiculous as this. I'm not accusing the man of pedophilia, or equating his crime to pedophilia. I just think there's irony on it. If a man who made a living by exposing big-time money launderers got pinched for cheating on his taxes, I'd find irony in that as well.

You don't see the irony? Well whoop-dee-doo, let's get indignant about it! If you don't share my sense of humor, then that's your problem, and you have zero right to insult my intelligence for it. You are absolutely not duty-bound to crap on my fun for something funny/scandalous happening in my town. If you don't like the joke, then leave the damn thread. I didn't even DEBATE in here, for God's sake -- just posted a harmless little e-celebration. Yet you STILL find a reason to be disagreeable.

Go back to "a place where common sense exists." I think you've been away from home too long.
 
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