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Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

Ikari said:
Yeah. But isn't that actually entrapment? They're facilitating the crime.
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I think it depends on the circumstance... the the "young girl" is going into a chat based on pedophilia and inviting them over and hitting on them that's one thing. If she offers them sex before they ask, that's not right. If she is online chatting as an innocent girl and older men approach her and start hitting on her and wanting sex, then that's entirely different. I don't have a problem with getting these people off the streets. If the cops even investigate their computers and get them on child porn charges and not the internet chat, then that's a good thing.

I also think this type of stuff happens more often then some people realize. I know when I was online once, I was about 15 and some guy in his 40s wanted to know if I had a boyfriend. I told him no, and didn't think much about it... until he told me he could be romantic and understood how to treat a girl right and boys my age didn't. I said, no thanks. I am not interested in being your e-girl friend, but he kept pressing me and said if I gave him my address he'd send me a gift... it was something I told him I liked earlier in a conversation. I just logged off and didn't say anything about it to my parents. I didn't report him either...

I have worked with people who have similar stories... One of my coworkers younger sister was on myspace and somebody on her friends list, without warning, sent her a photo of exposed gentiles right in front of her mother and they called the police.

If the police are online just monitoring the behavior, I see no problem. But if they are targeting seemingly normal people, and inviting them to commit a crime then that's not appropriate and is entrapment.
 
Deuce said:
No. They make sure to set it up so that the pedo is the one who suggests the rendezvous, I believe.
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I am pretty sure that they would legally have to so the charges will stick... otherwise it's a waste of time, but the fact that they have turned this into a form of nightly entertainment says a lot about America's idea of entertainment. We are ****ed up.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
If they're pedos then no entrapment is necessary.

I have never seen the show, only spoofs of it on comedy shows. And I am not making an argument about what happens on the show. Just discussing the general ideas around it.
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I have seen it a few times... You have to watch it, at least once. It's an interesting take on reality TV...
 
Ikari said:
There are certainly logic overrides one takes when they get into the car to meet an underaged kid under the assumption for sex. However, it does not distract from the fact that the case is made off of circumstance which is encouraged, developed, and baited to produce a certain outcome. And that is IMO entrapment.
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I think they can do it in a manner that is not baited or encouraged. I didn't bait or encourage the 40 year old online that wanted my address and to be my boyfriend.
 
I just remember another e pedophile story... my gay friend from myspace forwarded me this email he got. We laughed our asses off, but he was 16 at the time and the guy was about in his 40s.

He asked my friend to be his "little boy," and the title of the email was something like... "I know you can't say no," and the email went into using some BDSM terms. It was like a love letter and was really formal, but also perverted. I can't remember what it said exactly, but he just ignored it after he sent it to some people.

I also remember some weirdos sending me friend invites on myspace... one was an older man with a padlock pierced through his nipple, and that freaked me out. Another had a bunch of BDSM stuff on his profile itself and I reported him, because I was a minor and I thought his profile was really disgusting.
 
Ikari said:
And the government is not allowed to facilitate any crime they'd commit and try them for it later. That's entrapment. Lots of people do lots of stuff out there. But the interaction is encouraging the crime, it's baiting the crime. You just can't do that. Not justly anyway.
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How is the government facilitating the crime for them if they would have committed it anyways? If these guys are deliberately trolling chat rooms and looking for children for have sex with, then the police are not encouraging them to have sex with children.
 
Ikari said:
No, not really. It's imagined to be lower, but it wouldn't be statistically lower. If it really came to somehow shutting down the internet to pedo's (won't happen), they would find other ways. The expansion of government and improper activity by government, however, affects us all. Not just pedo's. Pedo's today, the political dissident tomorrow. There's a reason we restricted government, and we should ensure those restrictions persist.
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The police setting up stings to arrest people trying to have sex with minors is not destroying my rights. I am not a pedophile. I am not trying to hurt children, but children have been outright manipulated and murdered by these people on the internet and your telling me my rights are under attack. I don't believe my rights are under attack, not in the least. Preventing rape and murder of young children is worth the effort. I see it having no cost on me or my rights. I am not saying don't give them a fair trial, give them a fair trial, but for ****s sake don't stand by and defend these people using the internet to troll for children. That's not a right.
 
X Factor said:
What's unbelievable to me is that you'd rather use this issue to take a cheap shot at libertarians than concern yourself with the substance of the arguments either way.
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What substance? Call it entrapment all you want; but what the libertarian argument comes down to is defending pedophiles' rights to attempt to sexually assault what they think are under-aged kids.
 
The Barbarian said:
Your post is why you can't have a discussion with a liberal .. because most aren't capable of comprehending what is actually being said …

Ikari is not defending pedophiles, she is debating the “rule of law” I've not seen a single post of hers defending pedos, from what I have been reading her posts have all been very much to the point of entrapment and in no way was defending a pedo

But you post is refreshing in a way .. because I'm sure you are one of the first liberals I've seen that must be 100% behind the Patriot Act … and you surely must have been all in favor of those two young people that helped take down ACORN for their help in setting up “underage” whore houses
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Calm down. You're not as smart as you think you are. ACORN? Nice one.
 
SheWolf said:
The police setting up stings to arrest people trying to have sex with minors is not destroying my rights. I am not a pedophile. I am not trying to hurt children, but children have been outright manipulated and murdered by these people on the internet and your telling me my rights are under attack. I don't believe my rights are under attack, not in the least. Preventing rape and murder of young children is worth the effort. I see it having no cost on me or my rights. I am not saying don't give them a fair trial, give them a fair trial, but for ****s sake don't stand by and defend these people using the internet to troll for children. That's not a right.
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Really? Want to give some actual stats on how many kids this has happened to compared to how many are on the net at all?

200 times more children are killed each year by their own parents than are killed by online predators, 50, compared to over 1000.

Study Debunks Web Predator Myths | LiveScience

In the news by Karen Franklin PhD: More research debunking Internet predator myth

The Myth of Online Predators - The Daily Beast

The issue isn’t whether there are dangerous people online. Of course there are. Almost everyone is online. The issue is whether the online world is any more dangerous than the real world, and according to Finkelhor, it’s not.
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I always got a shady vibe from this dude. haha
 
reminds me of an old folk rock song



Karma is a bitch
 
There was just something about Hansen that I didn't care for. Am not a defender of pedos my no means but Hansen just isn't my cup of tea.

On the otherhand I will always be appreciative of the effort of John Walsh who did help put the bad guys in jail.
When John Walsh called somebody a lowlife scumbag you felt right on with it but not the same with Hansen.
 
Crosscheck said:
There was just something about Hansen that I didn't care for. Am not a defender of pedos my no means but Hansen just isn't my cup of tea.

On the otherhand I will always be appreciative of the effort of John Walsh who did help put the bad guys in jail.
When John Walsh called somebody a lowlife scumbag you felt right on with it but not the same with Hansen.
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Walsh paid the ultimate price to earn that right
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Really? Want to give some actual stats on how many kids this has happened to compared to how many are on the net at all?

200 times more children are killed each year by their own parents than are killed by online predators, 50, compared to over 1000.

Study Debunks Web Predator Myths | LiveScience

In the news by Karen Franklin PhD: More research debunking Internet predator myth

The Myth of Online Predators - The Daily Beast
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Why is that even significant... you can't deny that children have been murdered by internet predators. I am saying that's the worst that can happen and it has. That's what the risk of doing nothing will involve.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Call it entrapment all you want; but what the libertarian argument comes down to is defending pedophiles' rights to attempt to sexually assault what they think are under-aged kids.
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Why, because you say so? Looked like an issue of wanting them to do their job within the confines of the law to me.
 
Hatuey said:
It is...

entrapment legal definition of entrapment. entrapment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
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If a 12 year old girl(or boy if you are gay) invited you come over to her house, would you come over? Would you even chat online with a 12 year old girl in a sexual manner Is the answer to both those questions no? Do you know why that answer would be no? It is because you are not a pedo(technically a pedophile is someone with the sexual preference to prepubescent children, not pubescent children) just like someone who is not a drug dealer is not going to sell drugs. A cop buys drugs a from a drug this is not entrapment. While if a cop got someone to be a drug dealer then this would be entrapment. A cop gets a sexual predator to solicit what he believes is a minor for sex and goes over to the house, this is not entrapment. Someone who is not sexually attracted to 12 years is not going to solicit 12 year olds for sex nor are the going to go to online chat rooms to talk to 12 year olds in a sexual manner.
 
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jamesrage said:
Oh no he had an affair with an adult woman and that somehow make him the same as online sexual predators, credit card thieves,car thieves, repair men who try to rip you off and other scum. You do know you people only look desperate right?
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Jeezy said:
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What do I mean you people? You people who piss bitch and moan that Chris Hanson embarrass men who try to have sex with 12 year olds.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
What substance? Call it entrapment all you want; but what the libertarian argument comes down to is defending pedophiles' rights to attempt to sexually assault what they think are under-aged kids.
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Well now, there's a stupid comment. The point is that rules, even the rules on the government, should be followed. If the government isn't supposed to act in a manner, it shouldn't be allowed to act in the manner. This isn't about defending pedophiles' rights or any other idiotic emotional statement you want to throw out there. It's about proper action of the government within the restrictions placed upon it.
 
SheWolf said:
How is the government facilitating the crime for them if they would have committed it anyways? If these guys are deliberately trolling chat rooms and looking for children for have sex with, then the police are not encouraging them to have sex with children.
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You don't know they would have done so anyways, you're making that assumption based off the entraped senario wherein the crime is facilitated outside, coordinated with law enforcement. If some perv is sitting in an adult chat room and some "kid" (there's no kid) starts chatting up, it's different than if they're trolling. And that doesn't even speak to whether or not they would go less heavily encouraged by the other party. It's definitily not something people should do; but because we've attached so much emotion to this particular form of crime, we allow ourselves to become blind to the actions taken by authority and others. You still can't entrap, and this seems to me to be very clearly entrapment.
 
jamesrage said:
If a 12 year old girl(or boy if you are gay) invited you come over to her house, would you come over? Would you even chat online with a 12 year old girl in a sexual manner Is the answer to both those questions no? Do you know why that answer would be no? It is because you are not a pedo(technically a pedophile is someone with the sexual preference to prepubescent children, not pubescent children) just like someone who is not a drug dealer is not going to sell drugs. A cop buys drugs a from a drug this is not entrapment. While if a cop got someone to be a drug dealer then this would be entrapment. A cop gets a sexual predator to solicit what he believes is a minor for sex and goes over to the house, this is not entrapment. Someone who is not sexually attracted to 12 years is not going to solicit 12 year olds for sex nor are the going to go to online chat rooms to talk to 12 year olds in a sexual manner.
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It's dependent on the "how". If a cop goes up and buys drugs off of someone, that is not entrapment. The person is selling drugs. If the cop is sitting around with some dude and says "Hey, I know where we can get a lot of drugs, if we sell them we can make a lot of money" blah blah blah. Then subsequently sets everything up for the person to get those drugs to sell, convinces that person to get the drugs, allows the person to drive over where they would get the drugs which is actually a sting in process; that would be in my opinion entrapment as the crime is facilitated, not naturally developed.
 
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