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Federal appeals court rules Obama health care rule constitutional

Sure... they will probably rule it constitutional though. If a Republican justice said it was constitutional, I doubt Anthony Kennedy is going to say it isn't constitutional.

The 2-1 majority opinion was written by a Jimmy Carter appointee and agreed with by a George W. Bush appointee. The dissenting judge was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
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I'm glad to know that you can read the minds of the SCOTUS. It's an amazing skill.
 
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It'll definitely go to SCOTUS.
 
No problem. This is what they do. SCOTUS will shut it down. If not it will be defunded. The new POTUS in 2012 may have something to say about it, too.
 
krickitt said:
No problem. This is what they do. SCOTUS will shut it down. If not it will be defunded. The new POTUS in 2012 may have something to say about it, too.
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You don't think it's notable that a Bush appointee thinks it is constitutional? If this was "Bill Clinton appointee, carter appointee, Obama appointee, 3-0, constitutional" it'd be no big deal.
 
No, I don't. Obamacare will wipe this country out. 30,000,000 new people on what amounts to higher class welfare. Do the math on that. Something needs to be done, but Obamacare is not it. It will cost Obama the next election, IMO.
 
Gargantuan said:
You don't think it's notable that a Bush appointee thinks it is constitutional? If this was "Bill Clinton appointee, carter appointee, Obama appointee, 3-0, constitutional" it'd be no big deal.
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Presidents have regretted appointments before.
 
If it is not shut down it will go a long way toward contributing greatly to the continued destruction of our economy, and just the idea of it will do damage to the outlook into the future, and since with the feeling that things are going to be better tomorrow investing in it dies.

Obama has spent us into a hole and now he wants to tax us deeper into his recessions bottomless pit, and his plan to waste more money on stimulus that won't help so far has done nothing but add to the debt.
 
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Federal appeals court rules health care reform bill is constitutional

Federal appeals court rules health care reform bill is constitutional - CNN.com


Washington (CNN) -- The political and legal future of the sweeping health care reform bill received a big boost Wednesday after a federal appeals court in Cincinnati ruled in favor of the Obama administration and Congress, concluding a key provision in the landmark legislation was constitutional.

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The opinion is the first of three rulings that will emerge from federal appeals courts around the country in the coming weeks over the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The issue is almost certain to eventually reach the Supreme Court, perhaps by year's end. More than two dozen other legal challenges to the law are floating in lower federal courts.

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A key part of the ruling was written by Judge Jeffrey Sutton, a President George W. Bush appointee and considered a conservative on the court. He said the health care field is different from other streams of "commerce."

Sutton added, "The government has the better of the arguments." He was supported by Judge Boyce Martin -- who is considered a liberal and was named to the bench by President Jimmy Carter. He turned aside the argument by opponents of the law that economic "inactivity" cannot be regulated by the national legislature.

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Judge James Graham -- a Reagan appointee -- agreed with most of the opinion but expressed some concern that Congress could go too far in other economic arenas, under limits imposed by the Constitution's commerce and spending clauses
 
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a bush appointee, a reagan appointee, and a carter appointee...2 conservatives, 1 liberal...thoughts from the conservatives here?
 
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randel said:
a bush appointee, a reagan appointee, and a carter appointee...2 conservatives, 1 liberal...thoughts from the conservatives here?
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It's going to SCOTUS, there are other challenges, this is a bump in the road to repeal.
 
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MrVicchio said:
It's going to SCOTUS, there are other challenges, this is a bump in the road to repeal.
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i don't doubt that it is going to the SCOTUS, but i found it interesting that the conservatives on the court both supported it.
 
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I really think this entire process is pointles as its obviously destined for the SCOTUS and anything before it is going to be, relatively, irrelevant.

I actually think we could save ourselves some money if we instituted some method in which a super-majority of justices (7 out of 9 I'd say) could choose to elevate a case directly to the Supreme Court. That way issues like this could just get to their obvious and inevitable final location rather than wasting money and time going through the motion and show of the lower courts.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I really think this entire process is pointles as its obviously destined for the SCOTUS and anything before it is going to be, relatively, irrelevant.

I actually think we could save ourselves some money if we instituted some method in which a super-majority of justices (7 out of 9 I'd say) could choose to elevate a case directly to the Supreme Court. That way issues like this could just get to their obvious and inevitable final location rather than wasting money and time going through the motion and show of the lower courts.
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SCOTUS would overturn such legislation because it would mean more work for them. :D
 
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randel said:
i don't doubt that it is going to the SCOTUS, but i found it interesting that the conservatives on the court both supported it.
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It's completely immaterial at this point.
 
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MrVicchio said:
It's completely immaterial at this point.
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Things can be immaterial and also interesting.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I really think this entire process is pointles as its obviously destined for the SCOTUS and anything before it is going to be, relatively, irrelevant.

I actually think we could save ourselves some money if we instituted some method in which a super-majority of justices (7 out of 9 I'd say) could choose to elevate a case directly to the Supreme Court. That way issues like this could just get to their obvious and inevitable final location rather than wasting money and time going through the motion and show of the lower courts.
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I think that would offend some legal esotericism of some sort.
 
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MrVicchio said:
It's completely immaterial at this point.
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why would you say that? i agree with you that it will be kicked up to the high court, but don't you find it interesting that a 'conservative' majority court agrees with the President, democrats?
 
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randel said:
why would you say that? i agree with you that it will be kicked up to the high court, but don't you find it interesting that a 'conservative' majority court agrees with the President, democrats?
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It only interest you because two "conservatives" backed the government position at this level of the appeal process, had they struck it down, you'd of dismissed it. Be interested in it, it means very little.
 
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"Different from other forms of commerce"

If you follow that line of logic and precedence you can then do the same with food, shelter and clothing...and then automobiles, insurance of any type, etc etc.

Congress doesnt know how to back off of a line of thinking, its up to the courts to tell them.
 
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