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Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

Grim17 said:
For my entire life, the government has been pouring more and more money into public schools to solve the problem of our failing education system, and kids are no better educated today than kids were 30 or 40 years ago. Since more money has not produced better educated kids, what makes you people think that less money is going to produce less educated kids?

I have an idea... It's a bit unconventional and you really have to step outside the box on this one, but how about you wait a few years and see what the educational results of those cuts actually are, before assuming that our children will be less educated?

Oh, but that wouldn't be politically prudent now would it?
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Maybe the real problem is 1) money doesn't solve every problem, and 2) it's nothing but a money laundering operation for liberal trade unions and liberal politicians. Since liberals run the education system in this country from top to bottom, they have the most to lose with these cuts.
 
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My friend from next door states " I cannot WAIT for the recall election on this idiot. Swear."
 
Boo Radley said:
I know some long time republicans who tell me they would not vote before they would vote republican again due to their approach to education. Can't say they represent a significant number, but it is an issue. I hope voters remember this.
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Continually throwing more and more money at education when it is becoming clear that very little of it actually goes for educating the kids is insane. If liberal educrats want free money let them justify it first.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Continually throwing more and more money at education when it is becoming clear that very little of it actually goes for educating the kids is insane. If liberal educrats want free money let them justify it first.


j-mac
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Cutting money is no more alid than throwing money. What you have to have either way is a plan that shows how you can do something better. If you look at it as only a count of dollars, either way, you are not concerned with education, but something else entirely.
 
Boo Radley said:
Cutting money is no more alid than throwing money. What you have to have either way is a plan that shows how you can do something better. If you look at it as only a count of dollars, either way, you are not concerned with education, but something else entirely.
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Well, that is the educrats position, is that this isn't about the children....Education systems top loaded with redundant administrative positions, that retire in the six digit range and suck our tax money helps the children how exactly?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well, that is the educrats position, is that this isn't about the children....Education systems top loaded with redundant administrative positions, that retire in the six digit range and suck our tax money helps the children how exactly?

j-mac
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Then make that argument and cut those positions specifically. Don't just cut the budget. Be more targeted, more specific, have a bloody plan.

BTW, while money can be wasted, there is also little doubt more wealthy schools tend to do better than poorer schools for a lot of reasons, one of which is money. Money matters. Sure, it can be spent poorly, wastefully, and cannot ALONE solve problems. But having it to work with is better than not having it on the whole. Caring in part means investing in what you care about.
 
j-mac said:
Well, that is the educrats position, is that this isn't about the children....Education systems top loaded with redundant administrative positions, that retire in the six digit range and suck our tax money helps the children how exactly?

j-mac
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That's the ultimate problem... Unions are supposed (or were) to be about the workers - and that's a lie. It's about power, and it's about control; political, financial control. The teachers unions are supposed to be about the children, and they're not. It's about the teachers... about their pensions, about tenure, about everything BUT kids. If it were about kids, we as a country wouldn't be spending so much on a sub-standard education in comparison to other countries.
 
Ockham said:
That's the ultimate problem... Unions are supposed (or were) to be about the workers - and that's a lie. It's about power, and it's about control; political, financial control. The teachers unions are supposed to be about the children, and they're not. It's about the teachers... about their pensions, about tenure, about everything BUT kids. If it were about kids, we as a country wouldn't be spending so much on a sub-standard education in comparison to other countries.
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Just so you understand, teachers are the workers. Children are not the workers. You post largely doesn't make much sense, but maybe if you get this part right, you can try again. :coffeepap
 
Whovian said:
yes.. wanting businesses to create jobs in your state is evil :rolleyes:
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using the illusion wanting to create jobs while giving massive tax breaks to corporations with no actual program to create those jobs ..... yup --- that is indeed evil.
 
haymarket said:
using the illusion wanting to create jobs while giving massive tax breaks to corporations with no actual program to create those jobs ..... yup --- that is indeed evil.
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Obama had a program to create jobs...tell us how that's going, so far?
 
WI Crippler said:
It's too bad Wisconsin is going to balance it's budget and Walker will likely pay for it with his govenor's seat in the end. People hear "education cuts", and turn a blind eye to what the cuts actually are or mean. here in NC there was all this to-do about education cuts and everyone acted like teachers were going to lose their jobs. It was just cuts to administrative positions, but people didn't care to investigate. People somehow equate education cuts to "not caring about children". But that's emotional rhetoric for you. When you don't have the details, make victims instead.
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precisely. Walker just went through a massive showdown so that he could avoid firing teachers.
 
apdst said:
Obama had a program to create jobs...tell us how that's going, so far?
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It’s back to the Little Red Schoolhouse in Wisconsin.
 
haymarket said:
The radical right wing war on the working class continues in full force.

It is interesting that Walker had to move the location at the last minute. He was going to sign the bill at a notorious anti-union factory but then it came out that the infamous owner was a convicted felon. Nice allies he has - anti-union thugs and criminals.

Walker moves budget signing from tax felon's company - JSOnline
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Boy that DeCaster fella must really be a spry thing .. from what I can find out .. he started the company in 1923 .. making him 88 if he founded it at birth .. and if he was 20 when he founded it .. it means he is 108 .. if I was on the jury I would find him innocent .. mistakes made to the IRS after 100 years of age . . is forgivable ..
 
Tashah said:
It’s back to the Little Red Schoolhouse in Wisconsin.
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ya know .. I can say some pretty good things about the quality of education from those lil red school houses ..
 
Boo Radley said:
Then make that argument and cut those positions specifically. Don't just cut the budget. Be more targeted, more specific, have a bloody plan.

BTW, while money can be wasted, there is also little doubt more wealthy schools tend to do better than poorer schools for a lot of reasons, one of which is money. Money matters. Sure, it can be spent poorly, wastefully, and cannot ALONE solve problems. But having it to work with is better than not having it on the whole. Caring in part means investing in what you care about.
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It's not the governor's job to cut certain positions, it's the school board's job. Don't you know anything? His job is to make top level decisions.
 
Don't you know anything?
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I, for one, don't know crap. And I'm mildly surprised that Wisconsin still exists. Did they pave the roads?
 
 
Hatuey said:
The Republican Party is hell bent on bringing the country back to the early 20th century.
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tell it to cuomo, brown, quinn, rahm...
 
Boo Radley said:
What you have to have either way is a plan that shows how you can do something better.
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good thinking, you always see moves ahead

LOL!

cuomo has a plan:

"we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

"the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

"the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

"an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

"not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

"the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

"new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

"what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

"this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

"the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

"we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

"what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

"and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

"at the heart of this state is business"

"we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

"we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

"westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

"it has to end, it has to end this year"

"we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

"put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

"we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo
 
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