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TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

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The Transportation Security Administration stood by its security officers Sunday after a Florida woman complained that her cancer-stricken, 95-year-old mother was patted down and forced to remove her adult diaper while going through security.

Reports of the incident took hold in social media, with scores of comments on the topic and reposts appearing hourly on Twitter Sunday afternoon.

The TSA released a statement Sunday defending its agents' actions at the Northwest Florida Regional Airport.

TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida - CNN.com

This is ****ing sickening!

Seriously what the ****!

Forcing a 95 year old cancer patient grandmother to remove her adult diaper, i mean really!
 
I don't know she looks dangerous to me.

She could crawl up to the Cockpit door and force herself inside and kick ass on everyone and climb into the pilots seat and crash the plane.

Or the load in her diaper might have been powder and she might have blown her ass off, if she even has one anymore.

TSA is out of their collective minds and this proves it without any question. What in hell do they think with, and I ask because this one of the most egregious transgression since patting down a toddler who can barely walk.

This really makes me want to slap some fools,
 
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These are their procedures. The daughter even said herself in the interview I understand these are their procedures. Again, is this the best way to run airport security? No, it isn't. Israel's way of interviewing people and profiling (not racially profiling, but actually looking at people and saying, OK, this guy needs some extra screening, then talking to them, you can find a NY Daily News article where the guy, a white christian, says he gets put in the extra interview all the time) works great, but unfortunately that isn't applicable to the US, where thousands of flights go everyday. Israel has what? 50? This is the best solution we have in our current situation. You can all flip out and this will get its 15 minutes of fame tomorrow with all the "**** tsa man mah rights is violated kill tyrannical government" but in the end, this is how things are done.
 
These are their procedures. The daughter even said herself in the interview I understand these are their procedures. Again, is this the best way to run airport security? No, it isn't. Israel's way of interviewing people and profiling (not racially profiling, but actually looking at people and saying, OK, this guy needs some extra screening, then talking to them, you can find a NY Daily News article where the guy, a white christian, says he gets put in the extra interview all the time) works great, but unfortunately that isn't applicable to the US, where thousands of flights go everyday. Israel has what? 50? This is the best solution we have in our current situation. You can all flip out and this will get its 15 minutes of fame tomorrow with all the "**** tsa man mah rights is violated kill tyrannical government" but in the end, this is how things are done.

I agree Israel knows what they are doing far better than our out of touch with reality approach, that looks for things not motivated people, which are the problem.
 
I agree Israel knows what they are doing far better than our out of touch with reality approach, that looks for things not motivated people, which are the problem.

Exactly I mean could the same system be done here? I don't know, again, considering flights over in Israel are in extremely small number compared with the thousands here.
 
I'm waiting for the time when colostomy bags will need to be inspected for explosive liquids. We all know cancer patients are being recruited along with 95 year old grandmothers to blow up targets in the U.S. don't we?



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I think we are at a point now where TSA has basically said, you dont like the pat downs and XRays? Hah! We have all the power and we are going to keep doing what we do so STFU.

I envision a day in the near future where to fly, you will have to check yourself in to an airport TSA managed hotel, will be given an enema and physical exam, all your clothes will be taken and for 24 hours prior to the flight you will have to stay there until your bowels have cleared. You will be issued a paper gown ala the doctors office and that is what you will fly in. When you arrive at your destination your clothes will be reissued in a sealed bag. thanks for flying.
 
Well, 6 posts to get to idiotic over the top hyperbole in a TSA thread. Perhaps we're actually improving. Usually the ridiculousness and exaggeration only takes what, 3 pots?

The person followed procedures. Yes, the procedure needs to give more leeway on the part of the screeners to use their judgement in these kind of situations. At the same time, as you do that you then have people who then that the "judgement" is being employed unfairly or unevenly causing another big hubub. The TSA is right in defending their person, as they were simply following orders. There's nothing wrong with critizicing the procedure, but the more over the top idiotic hyperbole people use frankly the more childish and ridiculous their argument looks and the less serious anyone should take them.
 
I don't see it to that type of extreme, however, this is a great test ground for how far people will let quasi governmental agencies go with violating rights.

j-mac
 
There are no reasons we need to go to these measure's. None. Israel works great because they employ highly trained intelligent agents. Granted that would be expensive but probably a drop compared to what we are spending in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

It is also a case where politicians are so afraid to face up to the charges of "profiling".
 
Well, 6 posts to get to idiotic over the top hyperbole in a TSA thread. Perhaps we're actually improving. Usually the ridiculousness and exaggeration only takes what, 3 pots?
You mean three bowls of pot or was that a typo? :wink:

The person followed procedures. Yes, the procedure needs to give more leeway on the part of the screeners to use their judgement in these kind of situations. At the same time, as you do that you then have people who then that the "judgement" is being employed unfairly or unevenly causing another big hubub. The TSA is right in defending their person, as they were simply following orders.
Since when do idiotic procedures and the excuse "I was simply following orders" fail to encompass the stupidity of the procedure or order? We've been at that failure for quite a while.

There's nothing wrong with critizicing the procedure, but the more over the top idiotic hyperbole people use frankly the more childish and ridiculous their argument looks and the less serious anyone should take them.
Sometimes hyperbole is used to define and criticize the stupidity as well as to frame HOW stupid the procedure already is. It's a tactic to frame the discussion and point out how ridiculous, childish and over the top the stupid procedure is - a tit for tat so to speak. Politics, comedy, satire and other forms of communication lend itself to that criticism. Instead of criticizing the hyperbolic criticism - perhaps it's more useful to address WHY the hyperbole is being used. Perhaps it's being used because reason and common sense has not been used where the procedure and "I was just following orders" is concerned.
 
Ok. I was fairly supportive of the TSA when all this nonsense started. I officially take back my support.

Patting down 6 yr old girls and 95 yr old cancer patients?

Really?

End the pat dows, use the xrays and new scanners on everyone, no choice given.

ends the 'he touched my junk' stuff.
 
Ok. I was fairly supportive of the TSA when all this nonsense started. I officially take back my support.

Patting down 6 yr old girls and 95 yr old cancer patients?

Really?

End the pat dows, use the xrays and new scanners on everyone, no choice given.

ends the 'he touched my junk' stuff.

Yeah but then you still have the idiots who think the machines will give them cancer even though their cell phone has a bigger chance of doing that.
 
Yeah but then you still have the idiots who think the machines will give them cancer even though their cell phone has a bigger chance of doing that.

I'm wondering... has a 90+ year old, in the entirety of human history, ever been used as an international terrorist? I'm not saying it's not possible... just not probable.
 
You mean three bowls of pot or was that a typo? :wink:

LOL, typo.

Since when do idiotic procedures and the excuse "I was simply following orders" fail to encompass the stupidity of the procedure or order? We've been at that failure for quite a while.

You're not going to get an argument out of me that there's issues with the procedure. There absolutely is. I don't think its nearly as bad as some make it out to be, ditto for the body scanner, but it absolutely has some significant stupid flawas to it. But I just don't see the point getting riled up at a lower than GS-5 guy making a bit more than a burger flipper because he did what he was told. Or condemnation for TSA for not throwing the low man in the scheme of things under teh bus. Want to condemn them for having a bad procedure that he's having to follow, or producing an environment where individual workers are too paralyzed to make their own judgement on some issues for fear of management? Sure, that's reasonable imho.

Sometimes hyperbole is used to define and criticize the stupidity as well as to frame HOW stupid the procedure already is.

Except for the hyperbole goes so over the top it just looks silly. People suggesting TSA people are goin to be masterbating to the naked pictures just shows how unreasonable and ridiculous the individual is acting when you actually see what those pictures look like. People equating a singular action like this to leading to TSA enema's in TSA approved hotels while being whipped by a TSA approved whip is retarded. It doesn't highlight anything, other than the individuals lack of capability in dealing with this issue at even a semi-realistic level.

I understand and get the notion of demonstrating absurdity through being absurd, but its a skill and a talent that is much easier to talk about then to actually do in such a way that it makes your point rather than just making you look foolish, and few people on this board have that talent and it almost is never applied in these threads.
 
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Well, 6 posts to get to idiotic over the top hyperbole in a TSA thread. Perhaps we're actually improving. Usually the ridiculousness and exaggeration only takes what, 3 pots?

The person followed procedures. Yes, the procedure needs to give more leeway on the part of the screeners to use their judgment in these kind of situations. At the same time, as you do that you then have people who then that the "judgment" is being employed unfairly or unevenly causing another big hubub. The TSA is right in defending their person, as they were simply following orders. There's nothing wrong with criticizing the procedure, but the more over the top idiotic hyperbole people use frankly the more childish and ridiculous their argument looks and the less serious anyone should take them.

Right...because groping a 2 year old child or making a 95 year old cancer patient remove an adult diaper isn't 'over the top' and ridiculous.

I buy their procedures without complaint when the president has to stand by and watch his daughters groped and felt up with a TSA agent shoving their hand down his daughter panties just to be sure...when Mo' is up against the wall and groping her...then I smile, salute smartly, and press on. I fly anywhere from 10-15 round trips a year. I have a knee replacement which assures I get 'the treatment' every time I fly. I personally don't care all that much...its more of an annoyance than anything else. Well...on second thought...I am a LITTLE bugged since the TSA agents get pissed when you have a sense of humor about it and appear to get more agitated the less agitated you are.

And speaking of sense of humor...did you know that the spell checker corrects your name to 'Syphilis'?
 
Ok. I was fairly supportive of the TSA when all this nonsense started. I officially take back my support.

Patting down 6 yr old girls and 95 yr old cancer patients?

Really?

End the pat dows, use the xrays and new scanners on everyone, no choice given.

ends the 'he touched my junk' stuff.

This is part of what makes me chuckle. When this first started up, and by this I mean TSA, people complained about how hands on they were, how long it took, and whined about why we couldn't just have technology that could speed it all up.

Now we're getting technology that can take care of a lot of it with the body scanner, the ETD sniffers, the metal detectors, etc that for most people would be able to streamline the process and people are complaining and opting for more hands on things that take longer and slow down the process.

I don't get people sometimes.
 
Right...because groping a 2 year old child or making a 95 year old cancer patient remove an adult diaper isn't 'over the top' and ridiculous.

Oh look, shocker of schockers, vance continues with hyperbole.

Want to discuss it at a reasonable and adult level, I'd be happy to.

And yeah, I know the spell checker thing. Navy Pride had auto-spell correct on for a bit and we were very confused at first why he was randomly always calling me names by refering to me as Syphilis until the spell-check thing was discovered. lol
 
I'm wondering... has a 90+ year old, in the entirety of human history, ever been used as an international terrorist? I'm not saying it's not possible... just not probable.

Is the TSA there looking for terrorists, or illegal activity?

Not asking for what the propogandized purpose pushed by the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is, I'm asking in reality.
 
Here in the Lone Star state we have legislation in the making that will make TSA pat downs a criminal offense. Of course the Feds are threatening to cancel our flights. We shall see what will happen next.
 
Oh look, shocker of schockers, vance continues with hyperbole.

Want to discuss it at a reasonable and adult level, I'd be happy to.

And yeah, I know the spell checker thing. Navy Pride had auto-spell correct on for a bit and we were very confused at first why he was randomly always calling me names by refering to me as Syphilis until the spell-check thing was discovered. lol

Dood...how is stating a FACTUAL EXAMPLE over the top hype and rhetoric?
 
Is the TSA there looking for terrorists, or illegal activity?

Not asking for what the propogandized purpose pushed by the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is, I'm asking in reality.


they are there to make sure the cattle submit.

j-mac
 
Is the TSA there looking for terrorists, or illegal activity?

Not asking for what the propogandized purpose pushed by the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is, I'm asking in reality.

They're probably looking for both... and it looks to me as if the TSA is using the pat down for terrorism to fulfill their other obligations such as illegal activity. A nice excuse and convenient for the TSA - but again, I'd like to see some statistic on 90+ year old being charged with illegal activity. I'm guessing the 90+ year old demographic will be rather low in comparison to the younger populous.
 
This is part of what makes me chuckle. When this first started up, and by this I mean TSA, people complained about how hands on they were, how long it took, and whined about why we couldn't just have technology that could speed it all up.

Now we're getting technology that can take care of a lot of it with the body scanner, the ETD sniffers, the metal detectors, etc that for most people would be able to streamline the process and people are complaining and opting for more hands on things that take longer and slow down the process.

I don't get people sometimes.

When was the last time you flew? I HAVE to be xrayed or searched. I CHOOSE to be xrayed. Every airport...even where the xray machines exist and i ASK for them...I have been physically searched. I am at the point where I want to bring flowers wine and chocolates for my TSA screener...you know...get there about 20 minutes early...make a date of it...
 
IMO, while I don't oppose use of random patdowns as one method of deterrence, I do believe that the TSA should make a stronger effort to tie the full scope of its practices with risk assessment.
 
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