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US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

What about the senate?

I see you didn't bother to read the reference. In both houses, more Democrats voted against the war than for it. Now your turn, how did the majority of Republicans vote on the Iraqi invasion?
 
What was Clintons position on Iraq and WMDs? Kerry's? Daschle's? Pelosi's? Kennedy's?

Your claim was that a majority of Democrats voted for the war. They did not.
 
Iraq was such a non-threat, that we spent billions of dollars and ten+ years, enforcing a no-fly zone in Iraq. It was all because they weren't a threat.

Patrolling big oil's future property for them, and they do appreciate, thank you very much! :sun

How do you see they were a threat to the US or their neighbors? What do you know that the CIA was never able to determine?
 
No, a complete separate issue. Saddam had his ass handed to him and was no longer a threat to attack anyone outside.

My son was in that effort. He said we set Iraq back a century in their military capability. Anyone with any knowledge of Post Persian war Iraq was aware, they were not a threat to us or their neighbors.

One of the most powerful countries on the planet invading one of the weakest at the time. Really makes you wonder what our real motive was, doesn't it?
 
Only Iraq needed to be in the no fly zone. There was no danger of Kuwait, nor Saudi Arabia invading Iraq. :lamo

Are you not aware that most of the suicide bombers in Iraq ware Saudi's? Just like the ones that attacked us on 9/11. You are aware that no Iraqis attacked us right?
 
And, to keep Saddam's army from invading Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

You need to read up on the Persian Gulf war. We destroyed completely Iraq's military capability to invade Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, much less be a threat to us.
 
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in afghanistan, OBAMA'S WAR?

no one knows for sure

but more than a thousand heroic americans have died for it since obama assumed cic

iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties



ouch
yes
additional documentation that dicknbush's war was misguided
instead of going in and eradicating our terrorist enemy and then immediately leaving
the neocons instead diverted our resources and our focus to iraq, in an unnecessary war
those additional, needless casualties are entirely the result of the stupidity of the bush regime
 
Are you not aware that most of the suicide bombers in Iraq ware Saudi's? Just like the ones that attacked us on 9/11. You are aware that no Iraqis attacked us right?

I never said they did. Are you aware of that?
 
You need to read up on the Persian Gulf war. We destroyed completely Iraq's military capability to invade Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, much less be a threat to us.

If that were true, there wouldn't have been a need for a, "no-fly", zone.

BTW, who were those troops we were fighting in 2003? The Iraqi Army, perhaps?
 
What's their country?


Are jews born and raised in America, not Americans? Really, this is stupid. I can't believe I've had to spend any time on this silliness.Is this some sort of debate tactic where the oponent is stupided into submission?

Kurds are an ethnic group, just like Jews.
 
You could say that about terrorists in every country. We need to get a grip on our irrational fear, it is bankrupting this country can causing tens of thousands of needless deaths.

That was the attitude back in the 30's and in the 90's. How did that turn out for us??
 
Patrolling big oil's future property for them, and they do appreciate, thank you very much! :sun

How do you see they were a threat to the US or their neighbors? What do you know that the CIA was never able to determine?

Big oil? In Iraq?

Ya'll need to get yall's talking point straight.
 
US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday - Yahoo! News
So what will he do?
- Insignificant drawdown so he doesn't break his promise? (say, 1-2,000 troops come home)
- Relatively significant start of a drawdown? (5-10,000)
- Huge withdrawal? (20,000 or more)
What SHOULD he do?
I tend to think it'll be somewhere mid-range, which seems about right to me.

No, the troops aren't coming home. This is just another Obama campaign lie. Don't fall for it.
 
My son was in that effort. He said we set Iraq back a century in their military capability. Anyone with any knowledge of Post Persian war Iraq was aware, they were not a threat to us or their neighbors.

One of the most powerful countries on the planet invading one of the weakest at the time. Really makes you wonder what our real motive was, doesn't it?

Your son is quite mistaken, too.
 
Your son is quite mistaken, too.

Prove him wrong. Document any military threat the military or the CIA discovered when we invaded Iraq. I'll wait. :sun
 
That was the attitude back in the 30's and in the 90's. How did that turn out for us??

I suggest we don't let Saudis steal our planes anymore. Problem solved! I guess some get frightened more easily than others! :sun
 
Prove him wrong. Document any military threat the military or the CIA discovered when we invaded Iraq. I'll wait. :sun

I think you might be waiting for quite a while......
 
Prove him wrong. Document any military threat the military or the CIA discovered when we invaded Iraq. I'll wait. :sun

The reason for the no-fly zones, were because of the military threat that the Iraqi armed forces posed for it's neighbors and it's citizens.

Set them back a hundred years my ass! They still had jets and tanks in 2003. Ever been fired upon by a T-72? Or a Mig 21?

The Iraqi Army fielded 5 corps(+) in 2003, with nearly a half million troops afield. That's a military threat, in anyone's neighborhood.

1st Corps, near Kirkuk consisted of the 5th Mechanized Division, 2nd Infantry Division, 8th Infantry Division and the 38th Infantry Division.

2nd Corps, near Diyala, had the 3rd Armored Division, 15th Infantry Division, and 34th Infantry Division.

3rd Corps, near An Nasiriyah, had the 6th Armored Division, the 51st Mechanized Division, and the 11th Infantry Division.

4th Corps, near Amarah, included the 10th Armored Division, 14th Infantry Division and 18th Infantry Division.

5th Corps, near Mosul, had the 1st Mechanized Division, and the 4th, 7th, and 16th Infantry Divisions.

Western Desert Force, consisting of an armored infantry division and other units in western Iraq

Iraqi Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For comparitive purposes, this is the Kuwaiti Army.

AlJiwan Camp (HQ)
6th (AlTahreer) Mechanized Brigade
15th (Mubark) Armoured Brigade
26th (AlSoor) Mechanized Brigade
35th (AlShaheed) Armoured Brigade
94th (AlYarmouk) Mechanized Brigade
25th Commando Brigade (Independent)
National Guard Division (Independent)
AlSomoud Camp
Kathma Camp
AlTahreer Camp

Kuwaiti Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kuwaits Army consisted of a little more than two divisions, while Iraq's army consisted of 41.

The Saudi Army,

Armor

4th (King Fah’d) Armoured Brigade
8th Armoured Brigade
12th Armoured Brigade
45th Armoured Brigade
the four armoured brigades, 8 mechanized


Mechanized

6th Mechanized Brigade
8th Mechanized Brigade
10th Mechanized Brigade
11th Mechanized Brigade
17th Mechanized Brigade
18th Mechanized Brigade
19th Mechanized Brigade
20th Mechanized Brigade


Infantry

unkown number of infantry brigades
10th Infantry Brigade

Airborne

The Airborne Brigade
4th Airborne Battalion
5th Airborne Battalion

Artillery Battalions

five artillery battalions
14th FA (Towed, 155) Battalion
15th FA (MLRS) Battalion
18th Missile (MLRS) Battalion

Saudi Arabian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Saudi Army can field the equivalent of about 5 divisions, to Iraq's 41.

The argument we heard from the Leftists in 2003 was there was no need to invade Iraq, because Saddam's army was, "contained". The reason it was contained, was because it still posed a threat to it's neighbors.
 
I suggest we don't let Saudis steal our planes anymore. Problem solved! I guess some get frightened more easily than others! :sun

I say we crack down on Muslims, in general.
 
The reason for the no-fly zones, were because of the military threat that the Iraqi armed forces posed for it's neighbors and it's citizens.

Set them back a hundred years my ass! They still had jets and tanks in 2003. Ever been fired upon by a T-72? Or a Mig 21?

The Iraqi Army fielded 5 corps(+) in 2003, with nearly a half million troops afield. That's a military threat, in anyone's neighborhood.



For comparitive purposes, this is the Kuwaiti Army.



Kuwaits Army consisted of a little more than two divisions, while Iraq's army consisted of 41.

The Saudi Army,



The Saudi Army can field the equivalent of about 5 divisions, to Iraq's 41.

The argument we heard from the Leftists in 2003 was there was no need to invade Iraq, because Saddam's army was, "contained". The reason it was contained, was because it still posed a threat to it's neighbors.
now we are getting somewhere
you finally acknowledge that sadam's military was being contained
which tells us there was absolutely no basis for us to press the military engagement any further
 
now we are getting somewhere
you finally acknowledge that sadam's military was being contained
which tells us there was absolutely no basis for us to press the military engagement any further

How's that new boat? Float better than the one you just jumped out of? :rofl
 
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