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US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

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justabubba said:
really?
please describe for us the terms of surrender
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I'm wrong? Did the enemy surrender to us? Did we accomplish our, "political objective"? Describe our victory to me. Thanks! ;)
 
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apdst said:
I'm wrong? Did the enemy surrender to us? Did we accomplish our, "political objective"? Describe our victory to me. Thanks! ;)
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you insisted Obama surrendered to the enemy
i want to know the terms of surrender you speak of
or is this just another statement you are unable to back up
 
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justabubba said:
you insisted Obama surrendered to the enemy
i want to know the terms of surrender you speak of
or is this just another statement you are unable to back up
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Obviosuly, the terms of our surrender are that we will unass our position in Afghanistan.
 
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apdst said:
Obviosuly, the terms of our surrender are that we will unass our position in Afghanistan.
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and when will that "surrender" occur
 
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justabubba said:
and when will that "surrender" occur
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When the last American unit goes wheels up.
 
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apdst said:
When the last American unit goes wheels up.
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then you are of the opinion that we are fighting a losing proposition
did you voice this same objection when we launched the invasion into afghanistan?
 
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... do you even know what surrender is? There are no white flags going up with US troops being taken POW by the Taliban. We are withdrawing troops. Do you think we surrendered to the enemy in Vietnam?
 
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apdst said:
Obviosuly, the terms of our surrender are that we will unass our position in Afghanistan.
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That's not a surrender. That's withdrawing which is followed by a signed, usually mutual, peace. We didn't surrender after 'Nam. The US military just up and left. South Vietnam surrendered and capitulated however.
 
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justabubba said:
then you are of the opinion that we are fighting a losing proposition
did you voice this same objection when we launched the invasion into afghanistan?
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If we're fighting a rear guard action, to support a total withdrawal, then yes.
 
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Gargantuan said:
... do you even know what surrender is? There are no white flags going up with US troops being taken POW by the Taliban.
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Surrender isn't only defined by white flags and surrender documents.
 
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Muffinz! said:
That's not a surrender. That's withdrawing which is followed by a signed, usually mutual, peace. We didn't surrender after 'Nam. The US military just up and left. South Vietnam surrendered and capitulated however.
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Actually, we didn't just up-n-leave. We forced the North to agree upon a treaty and a part of that treaty was that we would withdraw combat forces and they wouldn't mount incursions into South Vietnam. It was called Paris Peace Accord. The North didn't sign the treaty, because they felt as if they were winning the war.
 
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apdst said:
If we're fighting a rear guard action, to support a total withdrawal, then yes.
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i got your answer to the first question
but you "neglected" to respond to the follow up inquiry. here it is again:
did you voice this same objection when we launched the invasion into afghanistan?
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justabubba said:
i got your answer to the first question
but you "neglected" to respond to the follow up inquiry. here it is again:
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The second question is irrelevant to the thread and any comments I've made on this thread.
 
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apdst said:
The second question is irrelevant to the thread and any comments I've made on this thread.
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so, you are objecting to the way Obama is handling the wars he inherited, but you refuse to remind us of your position when dicknbush got us involved in these wars of choice
i am willing to bet that you were an advocate for these republican wars. an outspoken one
 
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justabubba said:
so, you are objecting to the way Obama is handling the wars he inherited
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but you refuse to remind us of your position when dicknbush got us involved in these wars of choice
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One has nothing to do with the other.

How we got involved = apples.

How we get uninvolved = oranges.
 
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apdst said:
One has nothing to do with the other.

How we got involved = apples.

How we get uninvolved = oranges.
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absolutely wrong
but delighted to see you try to dance and avoid reminding us of your previous advocacy of the wars you now disparage
 
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justabubba said:
absolutely wrong
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Care to explain? Or rather, can you explain?

but delighted to see you try to dance and avoid reminding us of your previous advocacy of the wars you now disparage
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I disparaged the war?
 
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apdst said:
Care to explain? Or rather, can you explain?
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the hypocrisy of your posts
before, when dicknbush launched the war, you advocated it
now, when Obama is positioning our troops to be able to leave, by handing off the maintenance of security to the indigenous forces, you whine and term that "surrender"
you are simply [that word was intentionally used] looking to manufacture something to complain about regarding Obama



I disparaged the war?
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no. you advocated the going into wars of choice
you are now disparaging the "surrender" ... your term ... the withdrawal of unnecessary forces. the getting our troops out of harm's way
doesn't seem a very patriotic notion - especially during this holiday
 
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justabubba said:
the hypocrisy of your posts
before, when dicknbush launched the war, you advocated it
now, when Obama is positioning our troops to be able to leave, by handing off the maintenance of security to the indigenous forces, you whine and term that "surrender"
you are simply [that word was intentionally used] looking to manufacture something to complain about regarding Obama
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Ok, so, tell us how this is going to have a happy ending. And, "getting out of Afhanistan and to hell with what happens after we leave", isn't an answer.




no. you advocated the going into wars of choice
you are now disparaging the "surrender" ... your term ... the withdrawal of unnecessary forces.[/quote]

Unless we fought the enemy to a decision, an early withdrawal is the same as surrendering our tactical position in the current theater of operations. Surrendering our position is exactly what we're doing.


the getting our troops out of harm's way
doesn't seem a very patriotic notion - especially during this holiday
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I'm not going to have as much fun with that comment as I could. I'll only say, that creating a situation that further endangers friendly forces is a very unpatriotic, not to mention idiotic, idea--especially during this holiday.
 
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cpwill said:
because local security forces working in tandem with US forces aren't part of our counterinsurgency doctrine. If the Surge in Afghanistan succeeds, no doubt you will say it had nothing to do with Obama, merely all these armed, trained, Afghans with guns who suddenly turned up and started working with US forces?
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There really isn't such a thing as a counterinsurgency plan anyways. It's basically fight and hope it works out for the best. There's nothing novel or innovative about counterinsurgency other than someone could figure out themselves, it's basically fight the bad guys, get the leaders of the bad guys, and train the locals to do the same, of which you should have already been doing before the counterinsurgency plan.
 
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apdst said:
I'm not going to have as much fun with that comment as I could. I'll only say, that creating a situation that further endangers friendly forces is a very unpatriotic, not to mention idiotic, idea--especially during this holiday.
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Actually, its unpatriotic to continue to put into harms way unnecessarily our troops and to cause them to be separated from their families, risk their lives daily, and create many casualties. Withdrawing them and reducing their harm while trying to negotiate a peace with the Taliban can considered more patriotic than your option.
 
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Opteron said:
Actually, its unpatriotic to continue to put into harms way unnecessarily our troops and to cause them to be separated from their families, risk their lives daily, and create many casualties. Withdrawing them and reducing their harm while trying to negotiate a peace with the Taliban can considered more patriotic than your option.
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All so we can just send more soldiers back in a few years and put them back behind the power curve.
 
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apdst said:
All so we can just send more soldiers back in a few years and put them back behind the power curve.
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why would we do that?
 
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justabubba said:
why would we do that?
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Because we didn't finish the job, the second time.

We'll lose more troops in the last 3 months of the retreat, than we've lost in the past 9 years.
 
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apdst said:
Because we didn't finish the job, the second time.

We'll lose more troops in the last 3 months of the retreat, than we've lost in the past 9 years.
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please show us where your crystal ball has EVER been correct with its past predictions
only then would we have any basis to revise the absence of credibility your predictions receive


once we give the keys to a secure nation to its people, to defend themselves, it becomes their problem thereafter to maintain their own security
 
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