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US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

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Gargantuan said:
That's not true at all. You just want to find ways to go against the President. His plan has been right on the money.
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BS

The elimination of the Taliban as an effective force in the field? Nope

A stable central government and a reasonable expectation that a stable government will continue after our withdrawal? Negative

None of the objectives have been met and they won't be made easier with fewer grunts.

Just imagine if you were the leader of some foreign ****hole country, and the U.S. came by and gave you the "No worries, dude we're here for the long run. Be cool and sit tight

Honestly, wouldn't you be inclined to give a resounding "**** you, gringo" in return.

Obama has shown the world.... If there's one thing you can count on is the U.S. coming in with thunder and lightning, leaving with a whimper, and then watching the resulting bloodbath that comes in the aftermath.

At least, Bush had the balls to "stay the course" and was willing to have some back bone and take the criticism.

Obama...never
 
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Boo Radley said:
He went after WMDs that weren't. While I make a little fun, it's not entirely unreasonable to call that a snipe hunt.
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Yes, I understand how Leftist lies are just 'making a little fun'. They do it all the time.
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Grant said:
Yes, I understand how Leftist lies are just 'making a little fun'. They do it all the time.
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Not sure what that means, but make no mistake, there was not what Bush and his people claimed. It was not necesaary to invade Iraq. It was not in our best interests to do so. It was costly and for our interests, not necessary.
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Not sure what that means
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It means that when Leftists get caught in their lies and hyperbole they claim they were just making a little fun. That they are comedians.
but make no mistake, there was not what Bush and his people claimed.
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Not only "Bush and his people", but there the US Congress, leading American politicians , the CIA, and all political leaders in the western world, as well as most in the Middle East.

Do you really believe you'll able to do the Kool Aid shuffle and no one will notice?
 
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Grant said:
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It means that when Leftists get caught in their lies and hyperbole they claim they were just making a little fun. That they are comedians.
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I can't speak for leftist, who ever they are, but that's not at all what I did.


Not only "Bush and his people", but there the US Congress, leading American politicians , the CIA, and all political leaders in the western world, as well as most in the Middle East.

Do you really believe you'll able to do the Kool Aid shuffle and no one will notice?
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Not that it would make any difference if that were completely true, but it's not. Bush and his people took it further, to growing and gathering, and said things not supported by intel.

You should read more for comprehension. I'm just saying . . . :coffeepap
 
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Boo Radley said:
Not sure what that means, but make no mistake, there was not what Bush and his people claimed. It was not necesaary to invade Iraq. It was not in our best interests to do so. It was costly and for our interests, not necessary.
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You can get into endless pissing matches about what worked and what didn't work, why we did what we did and what we could have done better in Iraq or A-stan....

I do think the US leadership thats in power needs to be sure they don't dick around in Iraq/A-stan or whatever country any longer than necessary. Get the elections done, the natives trained up and get out. Nothing will come of acting like police over there.

Bring the troops home for rest and re-fit and get ready for the next one. And we need to realize that we can't go into every country with the plan of establishing democracies, holding elections, etc. Some of them we need to go in, kills the BGs and move out.

Dead BGs and continuous movement.
 
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We need something effective. We need something cost effective. Something where cost and benefit are at least closely matched. We've have done much of any of that so far.
 
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Boo Radley said:
We need something effective. We need something cost effective. Something where cost and benefit are at least closely matched. We've have done much of any of that so far.
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Whats needed is a long term US commitment. The result of a powerful lobby that remains consistent and can continue to exert significant pressure on succeeding administrations.
 
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ric27 said:
Whats needed is a long term US commitment. The result of a powerful lobby that remains consistent and can continue to exert significant pressure on succeeding administrations.
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Than we better choose something other than war. Democracies are not big on endless war.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Than we better choose something other than war. Democracies are not big on endless war.
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AARP and the Israelis are 2 powerful lobbies that seem to rise to the top....no matter what political party is in charge at the time
 
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gunner said:
Look throughout recent history and identify where Politicians have fully given the Military what 'they' say is needed for a conflict/war. Commanders will always require more men, more time, more power etc. The Politician has to look wider and incorporate or factor in, many more parts to the jigsaw.

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If Obama had any experience or training in these things you might have a point but Obama has none so he is just playing politics with our soldiers lives

When Bush authorized troop surge was he listening to his generals?
 
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ric27 said:
AARP and the Israelis are 2 powerful lobbies that seem to rise to the top....no matter what political party is in charge at the time
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Neither party is immune to any lobby. Sadly. But, that doesn't change anything I've said.
 
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Boo Radley said:
If you're going to state my position, do so honestly. I say the Iraqi's are responsible for Iraq. They started the awakening, which was the tide turner.
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:lamo because local security forces working in tandem with US forces aren't part of our counterinsurgency doctrine. If the Surge in Afghanistan succeeds, no doubt you will say it had nothing to do with Obama, merely all these armed, trained, Afghans with guns who suddenly turned up and started working with US forces?

And yes, as I stated earlier, Afghanistan deserved more attention, and that I understood going into Afghanistan, but never called it the good war. I have always said we should not have invaded.
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Sorry, Boo; you're going to have to try to sell that to someone who doesn't remember you during the 2004 election cycle ;).
 
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cpwill said:
:lamo because local security forces working in tandem with US forces aren't part of our counterinsurgency doctrine. If the Surge in Afghanistan succeeds, no doubt you will say it had nothing to do with Obama, merely all these armed, trained, Afghans with guns who suddenly turned up and started working with US forces?
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That would make snese and be honest if we had come to them and presented the idea. We didn't. They started it all on their own. We smartly took advantage, but cannot take credit for starting it, or stating it was our plan. It is dishonest to try and take credit for someone else's work.


Sorry, Boo; you're going to have to try to sell that to someone who doesn't remember you during the 2004 election cycle ;).
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Well, that would not be you. You either don't remember, or you're just dishonest. There isn't a lot inbetween.
 
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today:

At least 10 people are reported to have been killed after a top hotel in the Afghan capital, Kabul, came under attack by gunmen and suicide bombers.

An official earlier said three suicide bombers had blown themselves up. At least one other attacker was shot dead.

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said the group was behind the attack.

Officials said a meeting of provincial governors taking place at the hotel might have been the reason for it.

The attack also came the night before the start of a conference about the gradual transition of responsibility for security from the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) to Afghan security forces.

The Intercontinental is one of Kabul's best-known hotels and is popular with Westerners. It is situated on a hill in the west of the city.

Correspondents say it is one of the most heavily guarded hotels, with visitors required to pass through several checkpoints.
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BBC News - Kabul's Intercontinental Hotel attacked by gunmen
 
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The final bill for U.S. military involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan could be as high as $4.4 trillion, according to a comprehensive new report Tuesday.

In the 10 years since American troops were sent into Afghanistan, the federal government has already spent between $2.3 trillion and $2.7 trillion, say the authors of the study by Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies.

The report calculates not only direct spending on the conflicts but also the long-term costs of caring for wounded veterans and projected war spending from 2012 to 2020.
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Price of U.S. wars: $4.4 trillion? - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com
 
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About time..........

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Catawba said:
About time..........

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Pleeease . . . We all know school teachers and single moms are to blame. Those evil people.


:coffeepap
 
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^he said that because he wanted unemployment benefits extended.

Do you ever comment other than with link drops?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Pleeease . . . We all know school teachers and single moms are to blame. Those evil people.


:coffeepap
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LOL! You would think that given the propaganda from the right! :sun
 
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Boo Radley said:
Pleeease . . . We all know school teachers and single moms are to blame. Those evil people.


:coffeepap
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Catawba said:
LOL! You would think that given the propaganda from the right! :sun
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It’s amusing to see Catawba and Boo Radley throw out distortions and then wrap it up with accusations of “propaganda from the right”.

No wonder people have trouble taking them seriously.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
It’s amusing to see Catawba and Boo Radley throw out distortions and then wrap it up with accusations of “propaganda from the right”.

No wonder people have trouble taking them seriously.
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Where is the distortion???
 
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