NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast

Lord Tammerlain · Jun 20, 2011

Mellie said:
Did you see the video? They saved an extra 2 seconds maybe by omitting "under God, indivisible". And I think it was intentional as it usually is when someone omits "under God". If an organization is going to lead the audience in the Pledge, they should say it like it's written. If an individual wants to omit something, they can. If you think something should be omitted permanetely, talk to your Congressmen.

NBC I believe is not required to broadcast the pledge, which means they are free to edit it in any way shape or form they so choose (free speech and all). If they choose to edit it to reflect a version of the pledge before statists got to edit it, that is their right as well. Lucky for you and others who find what NBC did offensive, you can not watch NBC as is your right

Josie · Jun 20, 2011

MistressNomad said:
A. That isn't what I said and you know it. Stop trying to twist my words. As pertains to what I actually said, I am fairly sure in some places kids are legally protected from being forced to say the Pledge.

People are legally protected everywhere from being forced to say the Pledge. I remember a boy in my class was a JW and he never said the Pledge with us.

Lord Tammerlain · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
Um no, it isn't really....I don't have a religion, but I believe in God.

j-mac

You are not part of an organized religious group but you have a religion

Josie · Jun 20, 2011

Lord Tammerlain said:
NBC I believe is not required to broadcast the pledge, which means they are free to edit it in any way shape or form they so choose (free speech and all). If they choose to edit it to reflect a version of the pledge before statists got to edit it, that is their right as well. Lucky for you and others who find what NBC did offensive, you can not watch NBC as is your right

Yes, you're right. I said they SHOULD say it as written, not that they should be legally-bound to it.

Aunt Spiker · Jun 20, 2011

CriticalThought said:
Wow, they edit one segment and the Fox viewers get all pissy. That is funny.

LOL - only people who watch Fox News got pissy?

Their own PEOPLE who were watching NBC got pissy and complained :shrug:

I got pissy and I didn't even watch it on tv.

You don't edit and alter the national anthem or the pledge - you just don't do that.

SmokeAndMirrors · Jun 20, 2011

Whovian said:
A... In general, they are not. This was not just some random student saying the pledge, or some random group that just happened to decide to recite the pledge and got caught on camera by chance, as you'd know if you bothered to actually research anything you spout off about.

B... no idea what you're blathering on about there. But if it makes you feel superior, by all means, continue to blather. We've come to expect that from you.

C... Yes. Had any part been edited, I'd be annoyed and posting.

A. I'm well aware. You were talking about a totally different scenario, and stating it as though anyone has the right to force someone to say the Pledge. Stop twisting what I say.

B. So you post a thread not wanting responses? Or only responses that agree with you? Does it tick you off that I honestly don't care why they did it, or that they did it? Sorry I'm not as offended you're not having your head patted as you are.

C. If you say so. Somehow I doubt that.

SmokeAndMirrors · Jun 20, 2011

Mellie said:
Did you see the video? They saved an extra 2 seconds maybe by omitting "under God, indivisible". And I think it was intentional as it usually is when someone omits "under God". If an organization is going to lead the audience in the Pledge, they should say it like it's written. If an individual wants to omit something, they can. If you think something should be omitted permanetely, talk to your Congressmen.

I haven't, and I was simply pointing out that studio time is a bit different than real time. To be honest, I don't care if it was intentional. It might even get a chuckle out of me if it was.

Have done, will continue to do.

Whovian · Jun 20, 2011

Lord Tammerlain said:
You are not part of an organized religious group but you have a religion

not nessecarily...

Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

none of these are 'required' wiht a belief in a 'God'. True, they fit nicely with a belief in a 'God', but not having them doesn't mean you don't believe in a 'God'.

j-mac · Jun 20, 2011

MistressNomad said:
A. That isn't what I said and you know it. Stop trying to twist my words. As pertains to what I actually said, I am fairly sure in some places kids are legally protected from being forced to say the Pledge.

I know what you said, here maybe you don't....You said:

A. Why is anyone in charge of whether or not a student chooses to say the Pledge?

Schools are not a free range zone. Someone had better be in charge.

B. I suspect it's possible *something* needed to be edited out.

Why? and you say "something" What is that something?

But I don't think it matters.

Way to display courage of conviction.

Anyone around during the 50's or with even the tiniest amount of knowledge about history knows what they meant when they added "under god" and they weren't talkin' about Shiva.

And what was that?

It also specifically alienates atheists and other non-religious people...

Yeah, well, they don't have to say it? who is forcing them?

and you are aware the non-religious are the second largest ground in America, behind only Christianity, right?

Yeah, so what? What is that about 10% (and that is generous) Still constitutes an extreme minority of this nation.

j-mac

Dr_Patrick · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
So you have to be a part of a religion to believe in God? Really? I didn't know that.

I never said that. But God implies religion. Whether you are part of a specific sect of organized religion or not.

I see. So just so I have this straight, you consider those that called into NBC to complain, some kind of religious morons (my paraphrase) because they didn't just turn the channel, yet those who complain about Beck, or Hannity are somehow more intelligent?

j-mac

Nah, I don't consider them religious morons. I consider them people who have far too much time on their hands and would rather take the time to complain instead of turning the channel or, god forbid, stop watching the channel.

j-mac · Jun 20, 2011

Lord Tammerlain said:
You are not part of an organized religious group but you have a religion

What is my religion then?

j-mac

Whovian · Jun 20, 2011

MistressNomad said:
A. I'm well aware. You were talking about a totally different scenario, and stating it as though anyone has the right to force someone to say the Pledge. Stop twisting what I say.

B. So you post a thread not wanting responses? Or only responses that agree with you? Does it tick you off that I honestly don't care why they did it, or that they did it? Sorry I'm not as offended you're not having your head patted as you are.

C. If you say so. Somehow I doubt that.

A... I did no such thing. If you read that into my statement, that's your major mental malfunction, not mine.

B... Please show me where I said 'do not respond to this thread' unless you agree with me. Has nothign to do with starw men like head patting.

C... Doubt whatever you like.

SmokeAndMirrors · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
I know what you said, here maybe you don't....You said:

Schools are not a free range zone. Someone had better be in charge.

Students have the legal right to refuse to say the Pledge. That quote you cited? It was specificially about the Pledge, wasn't it. So you're wrong.

Way to display courage of conviction.

Uh, courage about what? I don't care why they did it, and I don't care that they did it.

Yeah, well, they don't have to say it? who is forcing them? (re: atheists and non religious)

Apparently you want to, if they're in school.

Yeah, so what? What is that about 10% (and that is generous) Still constitutes an extreme minority of this nation.

Higher, actually. Possibly as high as 15%.

So because it's a minority it's ok to discriminate and disclude them? Gotcha.

j-mac · Jun 20, 2011

Dr_Patrick said:
I never said that.

What are you saying then? Do you even know?

But God implies religion.

Really? How so?

Whether you are part of a specific sect of organized religion or not.

I don't believe you are right about that at all. Religion is part of a Religion, and Believing in God is Believing in God...

Nah, I don't consider them religious morons.

I see, I know, people with too much time on their hands. Not unlike posters to message boards....heh, heh...

I consider them people who have far too much time on their hands and would rather take the time to complain instead of turning the channel or, god forbid, stop watching the channel.

Wait. Are you talking about those complaining to nbc? or those complaining about Beck? Oh, BTW, you said God...Religious are you?

j-mac

Lord Tammerlain · Jun 20, 2011

Whovian said:
not nessecarily...

Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

none of these are 'required' wiht a belief in a 'God'. True, they fit nicely with a belief in a 'God', but not having them doesn't mean you don't believe in a 'God'.

and of americans who are not buddhists who are not part of an organized religion (or as Jmac stated not religous but believe in god do not have the following believes

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

Unless the believe in god is that said god created the universe and abandoned it, for all of the creatures to do what they want with no afterlife and moral requirements for entering the afterlife.

I expect all will say there is a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs if they believe in god. They may not follow the devoltional or ritual aspects of the organized religion but most likely will state that "god" does have a moral code requirement

Lord Tammerlain · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
What is my religion then?

j-mac

As I expect you believe in the christian god, and as such jesus, you follow a form of christianity.

Dr_Patrick · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
Really? How so?

Seriously? If you don't see the obvious connection then there is really nothing I can do for you.

I don't believe you are right about that at all. Religion is part of a Religion, and Believing in God is Believing in God...

That's fine. You are free to have your own opinion on the subject. I don't share your view.

I see, I know, people with too much time on their hands. Not unlike posters to message boards....heh, heh...

Which also includes you....heh, heh...

Wait. Are you talking about those complaining to nbc? or those complaining about Beck? Oh, BTW, you said God...Religious are you?

j-mac

I'm talking about either. People who complain about stupid **** like that have to much time on their hands. Nobody is forcing people to watch NBC anymore than they are forcing them to watch Glenn Beck.

j-mac · Jun 20, 2011

MistressNomad said:
Students have the legal right to refuse to say the Pledge. That quote you cited? It was specificially about the Pledge, wasn't it. So you're wrong.

Yeah, well the thread is about nbc...Please stick to the topic.

Uh, courage about what? I don't care why they did it, and I don't care that they did it.

Then why post? Thanks for playin'

Apparently you want to, if they're in school.

No, I was merely refuting your assertion that no one should be in charge of things like this....If Johnny no nuts doesn't want to say the pledge, I don't care, his loss.

Higher, actually. Possibly as high as 15%

Says who? Atheists? Yeah, they would never pump their own numbers or anything....

So because it's a minority it's ok to discriminate and disclude them? Gotcha.

No one said disclude (is that even a word?) them....But they don't have more of a voice than they majority.

j-mac

j-mac · Jun 20, 2011

Dr_Patrick said:
Seriously? If you don't see the obvious connection then there is really nothing I can do for you.

so you can't explain it then? It is just a mindless connection thrown out there to generalize everyone together? Thought so.....thanks for playin'

j-mac

j-mac · Jun 20, 2011

Lord Tammerlain said:
As I expect you believe in the christian god, and as such jesus, you follow a form of christianity.

So in order to make your claim work you must assume?

j-mac

Dr_Patrick · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
so you can't explain it then? It is just a mindless connection thrown out there to generalize everyone together? Thought so.....thanks for playin'

j-mac

:lol: Wow! Someone has an inflated ego.

I'm not going to explain to you what should be blatantly obvious. I will repeat what I said earlier since it didn't seem to sink in the first time around. If you can't see the obvious connection between God and religion, there is nothing I can do for you. If you really think that your unique view of it is in line with a majority of people, you are kidding yourself.

madman · Jun 20, 2011

We all know why "under god" was added the the pledge. It was merely to inject christian beliefs into everyones lives.

Lord Tammerlain · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
So in order to make your claim work you must assume?

j-mac

Not at all,

You could also state what god you believe in (the christian god, the jewish god, the muslim god, odin, thor, loki, Kali, Shiva, Buddha etc.)

You could also be state if the god you believe in also compells you to follow a certain moral code and if so it is a religion.

Now unless your believe in god, is just that some superior being created the universe and does not require any sort of moral behaviour among his creations, then I would agree you do not have a religon, but just a belief in some uncaring superior being that created the universe with no specific goals or requirements from it

SmokeAndMirrors · Jun 20, 2011

j-mac said:
Yeah, well the thread is about nbc...Please stick to the topic.

Lol. You're the one who said it, dude. And now it's irrelevant since you're wrong? How about you stick to the topic?

Then why post? Thanks for playin'

Because I'm allowed to express my opinion that it's much ado about nothing and I find the attitude of the OP exclusionary. What's with conservatives and telling people if they don't like it they should just leave the conversation? I am fairly sure I'm in a forum for expressing political opinions.

No, I was merely refuting your assertion that no one should be in charge of things like this....If Johnny no nuts doesn't want to say the pledge, I don't care, his loss.

...Then no one is in charge of it. I mean, I guess they're in charge of when students are invited to say it, but they can't enforce it.

Says who? Atheists? Yeah, they would never pump their own numbers or anything....

Non-religious includes a lot more than just atheists. Atheists alone are somewhere around 2-7% (a solid number is hard to come by, in part because there are still places where discrimination is prevalent). So I guess since you don't like it, it doesn't count, huh?

No one said disclude (is that even a word?) them....But they don't have more of a voice than they majority.

j-mac

The Pledge, a la 1950's pinko fear-mongering, is exclusionary of the non-religious. Whether they're atheists, agnostics, or spiritual.

digsbe · Jun 20, 2011

I find it offensive and part of secular trolling. NBC can do what they want, but editing out "under God" is directly offensive to some people and really showed what NBC's goals are.

NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast

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