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NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast

Should we go in and re edit the Mona Lisa?

You're arguing apples and oranges. Congress was involved in adopting and changing the Pledge four times. If you have a problem with it, then ask your Congressmen to suggest it be changed again.
 
What'd they apologize for? And what is with people in this country freaking out if their god is not publicly acknowledged at every available turn?

I haven't said the Pledge since I was 8 or so. And I won't again until its' returned to its original state.

There is no religious test to be an American. Adding "under god" is just the work of a bunch of fear-mongers freaking out about communism. It's a relic of paranoia from one of our ugliest and most embarrassing moments in recent history, and they've shoved it into the Pledge of our country.

Maybe they feel the same, Whovian. Lots of people do. And so what? So what if they did intentionally not say it?
 
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Here's the thing...

I don't really have a huge problem with the school children omitting 'Under God' themselves. That's on them (or the teachers or administrators in charge, more correctly).

However, I DO have a problem with a 'news' organization 'editing' it out.
 
It's sad that mistakes made during the McCarthy Era still hold sway with some people. Who gives a **** if they forgot "under God"? The pledge of allegiance should be all encompassing and not include religion to begin with. It's a pledge to the country, not to religion.


And what religion is God?


This is the same on many networks. It's always a small percentage of people that call to complain about something whether it be this or something else that they found offensive. Sadly, rather than go through the potential legal problems, these cowardly networks crumble to the whims of the moral minority. When you look at the amount of people in their viewership vs. those who actually complained, they are definitely in the minority. Sadly, people don't have the willpower or common sense to turn the channel if they find something that offends them, and would rather call or write in and complain. It's impossible for any network to please everyone all of the time.


Interesting phrase...Moral minority....So you are saying that the majority of people in this nation are without morals? Maybe that is our problem today.


j-mac
 
Here's the thing...

I don't really have a huge problem with the school children omitting 'Under God' themselves. That's on them (or the teachers or administrators in charge, more correctly).

However, I DO have a problem with a 'news' organization 'editing' it out.

Why does it have anything to do with their teachers or admins?

...And why? SOMETHING has to be edited out. Even if it is NBC, it probably wasn't intentional. People are still way too afraid of angering the religious majority of this country to do something like that on purpose unless they pretty much have no viewers anyway. Why is "under god" more important than any other part of the Pledge? Why is it not allowed to be on the chopping block?
 
Yes, especially since the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Christian socialist.

All the red states I guess are truelly Red then, using socialistic text as an indoctrination tool to braiwash all the childern into their christian socialism
 
And what religion is God?

It implies religion period. What about people who don't have religion in their lives? What about atheists? Should they be excluded just so a few deists that actually care enough can rest easy knowing that it's in there?

Interesting phrase...Moral minority....So you are saying that the majority of people in this nation are without morals? Maybe that is our problem today.


j-mac

By moral minority, I'm referring to those who actually care enough to complain rather than switching the channel. Everyone has morals, whether they admit it or not. They may not be ones that you agree with, but they are there regardless.
 
Yes, especially since the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Christian socialist.

Sometimes socialists have good ideas. :)

Did you know (not just you, pb...everyone) that the salute to the flag during the pledge originally looked like the Nazi salute? It was changed to the hand over the heart during WW2. Good call.
 
Why does it have anything to do with their teachers or admins?

...And why? SOMETHING has to be edited out. Even if it is NBC, it probably wasn't intentional. People are still way too afraid of angering the religious majority of this country to do something like that on purpose unless they pretty much have no viewers anyway. Why is "under god" more important than any other part of the Pledge? Why is it not allowed to be on the chopping block?

Why omit ANY part of it? It takes like 30 seconds to say. It's not like it's a big time consumer.
 
Why does it have anything to do with their teachers or admins?

...And why? SOMETHING has to be edited out. Even if it is NBC, it probably wasn't intentional. People are still way too afraid of angering the religious majority of this country to do something like that on purpose unless they pretty much have no viewers anyway. Why is "under god" more important than any other part of the Pledge? Why is it not allowed to be on the chopping block?

A... (or the teachers or administrators in charge, more correctly). If they were not in charge, then my comment does not apply to them. Whomever WAS in charge is who I was referring to.

B... it was the ONLY thing edited out from the pledge. WHy did something have to be edited out? And how do you 'know' something 'had' to be edited?
 
Interesting phrase...Moral minority....So you are saying that the majority of people in this nation are without morals? Maybe that is our problem today.


j-mac

There is nothing moral about this issue.
 
Why omit ANY part of it? It takes like 30 seconds to say. It's not like it's a big time consumer.

Have you ever spent a day in a broadcast studio?

30 seconds is an eternity. There is NOTHING that is worth 30 seconds apart from ads.
 
It implies religion period. What about people who don't have religion in their lives? What about atheists? Should they be excluded just so a few deists that actually care enough can rest easy knowing that it's in there?

So you have to be a part of a religion to believe in God? Really? I didn't know that.

By moral minority, I'm referring to those who actually care enough to complain rather than switching the channel. Everyone has morals, whether they admit it or not. They may not be ones that you agree with, but they are there regardless.

I see. So just so I have this straight, you consider those that called into NBC to complain, some kind of religious morons (my paraphrase) because they didn't just turn the channel, yet those who complain about Beck, or Hannity are somehow more intelligent?

j-mac
 
A... (or the teachers or administrators in charge, more correctly). If they were not in charge, then my comment does not apply to them. Whomever WAS in charge is who I was referring to.

B... it was the ONLY thing edited out from the pledge. WHy did something have to be edited out? And how do you 'know' something 'had' to be edited?

A. Why is anyone in charge of whether or not a student chooses to say the Pledge?

B. I don't. I just suspect it did. Even that being the case, they have picked to edit that particular part. They may have simply done it by mistake. In any case, why does it bother you? Why is it such a big deal to you for NBC to not pat you on the head for being religious? Why is that part of the Pledge (which isn't even in the original, and I still believe is unconstitutional) more important to you than any other? If they'd cut "with liberty and justice for all" would you be this disgruntled?
 
A. Why is anyone in charge of whether or not a student chooses to say the Pledge?

Why is anyone in charge? Really? Is that a serious question?

B. I don't. I just suspect it did. Even that being the case, they have picked to edit that particular part. They may have simply done it by mistake. In any case, why does it bother you? Why is it such a big deal to you for NBC to not pat you on the head for being religious?

So you suspect that Under God needed to be edited out? Why? And maybe you can explain how saying that we are one nation under God is a nod to ANY religion.

j-mac
 
Here's the thing...

I don't really have a huge problem with the school children omitting 'Under God' themselves. That's on them (or the teachers or administrators in charge, more correctly).

However, I DO have a problem with a 'news' organization 'editing' it out.

Honestly, i would think it's the other way around for you.
 
So you have to be a part of a religion to believe in God? Really? I didn't know that.



I see. So just so I have this straight, you consider those that called into NBC to complain, some kind of religious morons (my paraphrase) because they didn't just turn the channel, yet those who complain about Beck, or Hannity are somehow more intelligent?

j-mac


You are kidding right?


To believe in a god or gods fundamentally means you believe in a religion/s. It could be refering to any number of gods, but it still is a religion.
 
Have you ever spent a day in a broadcast studio?

30 seconds is an eternity. There is NOTHING that is worth 30 seconds apart from ads.

Did you see the video? They saved an extra 2 seconds maybe by omitting "under God, indivisible". And I think it was intentional as it usually is when someone omits "under God". If an organization is going to lead the audience in the Pledge, they should say it like it's written. If an individual wants to omit something, they can. If you think something should be omitted permanetely, talk to your Congressmen.
 
Why is anyone in charge? Really? Is that a serious question?

So you suspect that Under God needed to be edited out? Why? And maybe you can explain how saying that we are one nation under God is a nod to ANY religion.

j-mac

A. That isn't what I said and you know it. Stop trying to twist my words. As pertains to what I actually said, I am fairly sure in some places kids are legally protected from being forced to say the Pledge.

B. I suspect it's possible *something* needed to be edited out. But I don't think it matters. Anyone around during the 50's or with even the tiniest amount of knowledge about history knows what they meant when they added "under god" and they weren't talkin' about Shiva. It also specifically alienates atheists and other non-religious people... and you are aware the non-religious are the second largest ground in America, behind only Christianity, right?
 
Whovian said:
A... (or the teachers or administrators in charge, more correctly). If they were not in charge, then my comment does not apply to them. Whomever WAS in charge is who I was referring to.

B... it was the ONLY thing edited out from the pledge. WHy did something have to be edited out? And how do you 'know' something 'had' to be edited?

A. Why is anyone in charge of whether or not a student chooses to say the Pledge?

B. I don't. I just suspect it did. Even that being the case, they have picked to edit that particular part. They may have simply done it by mistake. In any case, why does it bother you? Why is it such a big deal to you for NBC to not pat you on the head for being religious? Why is that part of the Pledge (which isn't even in the original, and I still believe is unconstitutional) more important to you than any other? If they'd cut "with liberty and justice for all" would you be this disgruntled?

A... In general, they are not. This was not just some random student saying the pledge, or some random group that just happened to decide to recite the pledge and got caught on camera by chance, as you'd know if you bothered to actually research anything you spout off about.

B... no idea what you're blathering on about there. But if it makes you feel superior, by all means, continue to blather. We've come to expect that from you.

C... Yes. Had any part been edited, I'd be annoyed and posting.
 
You are kidding right?


To believe in a god or gods fundamentally means you believe in a religion/s. It could be refering to any number of gods, but it still is a religion.


Um no, it isn't really....I don't have a religion, but I believe in God.

j-mac
 
A. That isn't what I said. In fact I am fairly sure in some places kids are legally protected from being forced to say the Pledge.B. I suspect it's possible *something* needed to be edited out. But I don't think it matters. Anyone around during the 50's or with even the tiniest amount of knowledge about history knows what they meant when they added "under god" and they weren't talkin' about Shiva. It also specifically alienates atheists and other non-religious people... and you are aware the non-religious are the second largest ground in America, behind only Christianity, right?

WHo was forced to say the pledge here? You have proof of this?
 
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