Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to 2012

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bluemoon22 said:

Time and time again Republicans can be seen on the wrong side of race issues...whether it be Affirmative Action

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Anyone who is actually against racism and says that race should not matter should oppose affirmative action. So it is you who is on the wrong side of this issue. Anyone who beliefs in what Martin Luther King Jr said about not being judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character should oppose affirmative action.

or their Xenophobic discourse when it comes to illegal and legal immigration

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There is nothing xenophobic about opposing ILLEGAL immigration or even wanting restrictions on legal immigration. Anyone considering themselves a patriot/nationalist, anyone wanting something done about the unemployment problem in this country and anyone wanting better wages for the working class should oppose illegal immigration regardless of party affiliation. And most people regardless of party affiliation oppose illegal immigration. Even César Chávez was against illegal immigration and guest worker programs and I seriously doubt he was a republican or conservative.

they think all people should be required to speak english,

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Anyone considering themselves an American should speak English and anyone wanting to be an American citizen should be proficient in English. People should not be divided by language.

for an example of how they discriminate against legal immigrants.

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Discriminating against illegals has nothing to do with trying to suppress black votes nor are they the same or even in the same ballpark. Discriminating against illegals amounts to discriminating against criminals.And race has nothing to do with illegal immigration

This stuff just isn't surprising anymore.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating against illegals. They are trespassers,invaders, uninvited guests and criminals.

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Councilman said:

Stupid and illiterate people should not be allowed to vote that would mean that Obama would not be in office

In California it is illegal aliens that flock to vote by mail because you can register and vote and there are no checks yo make sure you are of legal age or here legally.

Voting is a privilege that that should be closely monitored to insure that voters can at least read English.

Today there are so many people who are high school graduates that are illiterate it's not funny and most of them are minorities because they come from one parent families and that one parent is also illiterate.

Most high school graduates these days don't have any clue about the Constitution.

I registered to vote by mail when I retired and moved back to California. I did it over the Web and it's been almost 4 years and they didn't check a damn thing.
I could have been a member of the Taliban anf they would never know or care for that matter.

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Didn't think this one through much, did ya?

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bluemoon22 said:

That's a very good point. In 2000 what happened was illegal, while calling people and telling them there is no need to vote isn't. It's unethical, but not illegal. Time and time again Republicans can be seen on the wrong side of race issues...whether it be Affirmative Action or their Xenophobic discourse when it comes to illegal and legal immigration - they think all people should be required to speak english, for an example of how they discriminate against legal immigrants.

This stuff just isn't surprising anymore.

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I reckon that means that when the media annouced the Florida poll closure two hours premature, they were breaking the law, as well?

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apdst said:

I reckon that means that when the media annouced the Florida poll closure two hours premature, they were breaking the law, as well?

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no, they were just being ****ty forecasters. There's a difference between incompetence and orchestration.

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StillBallin75 said:

no, they were just being ****ty forecasters. There's a difference between incompetence and orchestration.

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So, knowingly causing 50,000+ plus voters to not vote, because of a false report isn't illegal? Sounds like voter suppression to me.

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apdst said:

So, knowingly causing 50,000+ plus voters to not vote, because of a false report isn't illegal? Sounds like voter suppression to me.

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lemme do some research. I'll get back to you. You may have a point on this. I was 10 when it happened so i don't remember much.

Edit: yeah, I don't see evidence that the media did what they did knowingly. Looks like they just ****ed up their reporting. So, previous post still applies.

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StillBallin75 said:

lemme do some research. I'll get back to you. You may have a point on this. I was 10 when it happened so i don't remember much.

Edit: yeah, I don't see evidence that the media did what they did knowingly. Looks like they just ****ed up their reporting. So, previous post still applies.

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They knew damn good and well that the polls weren't closed, because there was no announcement from the election commissioner that they had been closed.

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apdst said:

They knew damn good and well that the polls weren't closed, because there was no announcement from the election commissioner that they had been closed.

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Iirc, they didnt report the polls closed but that the election had been "called" or whatever.

I agree however that election reporting is problematic and in need of consideration to prevent reporting of elections having an impact on elections.

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What if...? said:

Iirc, they didnt report the polls closed but that the election had been "called" or whatever.

I agree however that election reporting is problematic and in need of consideration to prevent reporting of elections having an impact on elections.

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You recall incorrectly:

All five major US TV news networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and CNN) made the incorrect assumption that all of Florida's polls closed at 7:00 p.m. EST, which was not the case. All five of them reported this incorrect statement at the top of the 6:00-7:00 hour.

United States presidential election in Florida, 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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apdst said:

You recall incorrectly:

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Wasn't that more of a time-zone mixup? And yeah, I believe they seriously ****ed up but Bush still won in the end, so no harm no foul.

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StillBallin75 said:

Wasn't that more of a time-zone mixup? And yeah, I believe they seriously ****ed up but Bush still won in the end, so no harm no foul.

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I disagree with that. Next time the ploy might work against the legitimate winner's favor.

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apdst said:

I disagree with that. Next time the ploy might work against the legitimate winner's favor.

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Agreed.

I think the key is whether or not the reporting was due to incompetence (****ty reporting) or orchestration (they did it on purpose). Either way, there's a problem, but one is more egregious than the other. Personally, I don't see any evidence that they knowingly ****ed up the reporting.

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apdst said:

You recall incorrectly:

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I stand corrected as far as I can tell. A quick search on google didn't come up with anything except the wiki entry, and you know how wiki is. Ill take your word for it though (and not in the politician fashion). Sounds plausible.

I still believe the "calling" to have been at least an equal issue.

And there was a bunch of shenanigans called on Repubs for various "caging" activities they may have indulged in during the same election.

Which is really what the recent voter id bills are all about. Setting up demands for the newly required ids, challenges to addresses (poor move more frequently), rejection for failure to have 2 ids (one to verify the first), "I don't think that's you on the id", "john smith" has a felony "john smiths" may not vote, etc., etc., etc..

This kind of crap is FAR more prevalent than fake/ineligible votes being cast.

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Councilman said:

Stupid and illiterate people should not be allowed to vote that would mean that Obama would not be in office

In California it is illegal aliens that flock to vote by mail because you can register and vote and there are no checks yo make sure you are of legal age or here legally.

Voting is a privilege that that should be closely monitored to insure that voters can at least read English.

Today there are so many people who are high school graduates that are illiterate it's not funny and most of them are minorities because they come from one parent families and that one parent is also illiterate.

Most high school graduates these days don't have any clue about the Constitution.

I registered to vote by mail when I retired and moved back to California. I did it over the Web and it's been almost 4 years and they didn't check a damn thing.
I could have been a member of the Taliban anf they would never know or care for that matter.

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That was the Old South's so-called justification for lynching blacks who tried to vote.

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Everyone should be allowed to vote...even individuals too stupid to know what or who they are voting for. I only require that they be allowed to vote once, in their district, that they be able to demonstrate they are who they say they are, and I would prefer that they not be dead.

Everyone should be allowed to vote. Anyone...ANYONE...that commits voter fraud...either side...should see jail time and lose their voting priveleges.

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megaprogman said:

Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to 2012 - The Washington Post



So we have a dispute between the parties about whether this strategy was used or not. However ...



I don't particularly care about the charges of whether one race or demographic was favored over another. What I do care about is that voters were flat out lied to, and that sort of thing should be prosecuted as fraud.

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Voters were lied to during the last Presidential campaign but many of them seem curiously complacent about it.

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Grant said:

Voters were lied to during the last Presidential campaign but many of them seem curiously complacent about it.

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They were tricked into not voting? Do you have the news articles? I am curious about this.

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apdst said:

I disagree with that. Next time the ploy might work against the legitimate winner's favor.

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Next time? It worked against the illegitimate winner that time. Gore won the popular vote.

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megaprogman said:

They were tricked into not voting? Do you have the news articles? I am curious about this.

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Do you see anywhere in that post where I claimed anyone was tricked into not voting???

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xpiher said:

Next time? It worked against the illegitimate winner that time. Gore won the popular vote.

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If you were an American you'd understand more about the Electoral College.

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jamesrage said:

Anyone who is actually against racism and says that race should not matter should oppose affirmative action. So it is you who is on the wrong side of this issue. Anyone who beliefs in what Martin Luther King Jr said about not being judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character should oppose affirmative action.

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Can you guarantee that this country has become totally enlightened and that racism has totally been eradicated in this country?
Both white and black?
What safeguards are there to protect the minority against the majority (of any color)?
The US Constitution was in place for 78 years before slaves were emancipated,100 years before Native Americans were even considered humans in the eyes of the "White Mans Law,133 years before the 19th amendment was passed,136 years before my mothers tribe was made US citizens,and 177 years before the end of "Jim Crow".
It wasn't until 1978(age 15) that I was no longer forced into a Government Run Baording School For Native Americans (i.e. a Christianity Indoctrination Center).

Just stating the facts.
I fully agree with what MLK said and stood for.
My father marched in Selma and endured arrests,beatings,waterhosings, just so I can have the rights I enjoy.
And while philosophically I do not believe in Affirmative Action, excuse my skepticism and hesitation about the need to get rid of Affirmative Action just yet.

jamesrage said:

There is nothing xenophobic about opposing ILLEGAL immigration or even wanting restrictions on legal immigration. Anyone considering themselves a patriot/nationalist, anyone wanting something done about the unemployment problem in this country and anyone wanting better wages for the working class should oppose illegal immigration regardless of party affiliation. And most people regardless of party affiliation oppose illegal immigration. Even César Chávez was against illegal immigration and guest worker programs and I seriously doubt he was a republican or conservative.

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I'm against illegal immigration myself,but then again I'm half descended from the Lakota Tribe (who's roots goes back over a few millennium on this land) and half Afro-American (who's ancestors who were brought against their will as slaves onto this country).

The reason that there is such a thing as "legal" and "illegal" immigration is through conquest and ethnic cleansing by a foreign invader.
On September 17, 1787,the year the US Constitution was drafted,no one asked the Indigenous,Black or Female (which would have constituted a majority of the inhabitants) what their thoughts on forming a "New Nation".
That was done by a relatively small handfull of white property owners.
It was recognized by European countries who were already in the process of carving up the rest of the planet for their purposes.

Funny how a lot of people seem to forget that.

People coming into this country "illegally" may be in the wrong,but at least they haven't tried to commit ethnic cleansing/genocide on the one already here.
Just saying.

jamesrage said:

Anyone considering themselves an American should speak English and anyone wanting to be an American citizen should be proficient in English. People should not be divided by language.

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You could apply this same logic to religion.
Since the only basis for that argument is the fact that the majority speaks the language,you could just as easily argue that since the majority of the people of this country are christian,anyone who wishes to be an American should become Christian.
Again,just saying.

jamesrage said:

Discriminating against illegals has nothing to do with trying to suppress black votes nor are they the same or even in the same ballpark.

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Fully agreed.

jamesrage said:

Discriminating against illegals amounts to discriminating against criminals.And race has nothing to do with illegal immigration

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While I fully believe in prosecuting criminals,it's that word "discrimination" that I have a big problem with.
History has shown,time and time again,that people who "discriminate" against other human beings have a nasty habit of doing very ugly things to the people they're discriminating against.
Again,just saying.

jamesrage said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating against illegals. They are trespassers,invaders, uninvited guests and criminals.

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My great,great, grandfather on my mother' s side Yamni Igmu (loosely translate:Five Foxes) probably would have used that exact same reasoning about why he and the Hunkpapa where killing white people in defense of their own land and way of life.

Again,just saying the truth.

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Grant said:

If you were an American you'd understand more about the Electoral College.

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1) I am an American
2) The Electoral College is useless
3) Most agree that Florida was stolen by republicans in some way.

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xpiher said:

1) I am an American
2) The Electoral College is useless
3) Most agree that Florida was stolen by republicans in some way.

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According to the mulitple recounts, Republicans stole Florida by . . .. a majority.

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Grant said:

Do you see anywhere in that post where I claimed anyone was tricked into not voting???

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then I fail to see the basis for your complaint.

Unless, you are trying to muddy the issue. This is a common debate tactic.

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megaprogman said:

They were tricked into not voting? Do you have the news articles? I am curious about this.

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i think he's referring to broken campaign promises. an early and easy example of which would be Obama's decision not to take public funding.