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Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

solletica said:
The Dems want to protect anti-free market closed-shop agreements while the GOP wants to spend taxpayer money on subsidies for its favorite businesses.

There are no winners--just taking money from one institution and dumping it into another.

What is clear is that the union leaders failed their members miserably. Politics is a game where the only meaningful goal is to WIN. If the union leaders had any muscle, they would've played dirty, i. e. starting a fund for women who had an affair w/Walker to come forward in exchange for a reward. It's well known that most all pols have extra-marital affairs yet the unions failed to exploit that to their advantage.
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And your type of libertarian never gets elected because......because people are just mean. Carry on with the two party bashing festival.
 
shintao said:
I was Union all my working years, about 25 years, until I retired at 45.
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LOL!!!

How out of touch can you be? So you realize people have to work until into their 60's and 70's and even longer, and you retired at 45. Public unions are a parasite which allows members to retire at 45.
 
shintao said:
That maybe true Lew. Compare steak to corporate gruel. Which is your meal? I am pointing out the in-your-face arrogance as corporate America strips away workers rights. Surely you recognize that capitalism is a corporate tool, wherein the top have the control, and profits come about by making everything cheaper, including what they pay for labor.

What many miss here, you canbe a corporate slave, where what you produce goes to other countries. There is no need for American slaves to be consumers, just be docile slaves like the "Company Store." And exist in the greatest land of resources.
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corporate America isnt striping away anything of the sort.
your argument is 70 years old. times have changed. Corporate America realizes that they will treat people right or their product wont sell, or in most cases people wont work for them. this isnt the 1930's.

What corporate America needs is for government, and union thugs to get out of the way and let them run their business, let others start new busineses and put the country back to work.

Union IS government today, they are lockstep with the democratic party and getting away with it.

wake up
 
Ockham said:
LOL!!!

How out of touch can you be? So you realize people have to work until into their 60's and 70's and even longer, and you retired at 45. Public unions are a parasite which allows members to retire at 45.
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exactly, theres not a man woman or otherise alive that has retired with full benefits at the age of 45 that doesnt think deep down he got away with robbery.

just because you smile all the way to the bank doesnt make it not cheshire
 
Hooray for Wisconsin using the force of law to negate a lawfull contract! I sure am glad the legislature has the power to renig on binding agreements.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Hooray for Wisconsin using the force of law to negate a lawfull contract! I sure am glad the legislature has the power to renig on binding agreements.
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Why not? Obama started the precedent with the auto bailouts.....

j-mac
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Hooray for Wisconsin using the force of law to negate a lawfull contract! I sure am glad the legislature has the power to renig on binding agreements.
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Yeah, cause contracts negotiated on bad faith should be upheld, right?
 
Negotiating a contract on the basis of a stay on an existing law that is still under scrutiny before the state SCOTUS is negotiating in bad faith. It also reeks of conflict of interest. Should the state challenge the contracts in court, the unions wont have a leg to stand on.
 
unions were destined to lose on this one from the start.

Dems leaving the state to avoid a vote only solidified right from wrong
 
Is it just me or does it seem that the liberals who oppose this ruling don't even realize that they ruled that public service employees (taxpayer funded employees) cannot unionize. NOTHING is stopping private sector employees in WI from unionizing. The taxpayers have decided no unions on their dime and the supreme court has ruled in favor. You want to join a union? Work in the private sector, and join all you want. As long as your paycheck comes out of the taxpayers coffers, you will have to listen to the voice of the taxpayers. It is no different than an employee having to listen to their boss. The boss issues the paycheck, you do what he wants or go elsewhere. Same rule applies to state employees.

Good job, Wisconsin!
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Is it just me or does it seem that the liberals who oppose this ruling don't even realize that they ruled that public service employees (taxpayer funded employees) cannot unionize. NOTHING is stopping private sector employees in WI from unionizing. The taxpayers have decided no unions on their dime and the supreme court has ruled in favor. You want to join a union? Work in the private sector, and join all you want. As long as your paycheck comes out of the taxpayers coffers, you will have to listen to the voice of the taxpayers. It is no different than an employee having to listen to their boss. The boss issues the paycheck, you do what he wants or go elsewhere. Same rule applies from state employees.

Good job, Wisconsin!
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I wish I could hit the thanks button more than once.


j-mac
 
agreed, its really simple at the core.
majority rules in a democracy.

the dems, along with the unions somehow felt the majority was a bunch of half wits holding camp at the state house in front of the cameras.
 
shades said:
agreed, its really simple at the core.
majority rules in a democracy.
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Right -- except that this isn't a democracy at all. Many checks have been put in place to prevent the rights of the minority from being violated by the will of the majority.
 
j-mac said:
dontworrybehappy said:
Is it just me or does it seem that the liberals who oppose this ruling don't even realize that they ruled that public service employees (taxpayer funded employees) cannot unionize. NOTHING is stopping private sector employees in WI from unionizing. The taxpayers have decided no unions on their dime and the supreme court has ruled in favor. You want to join a union? Work in the private sector, and join all you want. As long as your paycheck comes out of the taxpayers coffers, you will have to listen to the voice of the taxpayers. It is no different than an employee having to listen to their boss. The boss issues the paycheck, you do what he wants or go elsewhere. Same rule applies from state employees.

Good job, Wisconsin!
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I wish I could hit the thanks button more than once.


j-mac
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here here......
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Right -- except that this isn't a democracy at all. Many checks have been put in place to prevent the rights of the minority from being violated by the will of the majority.
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This is about taxpayer-paid employees ability to unionize against taxpayers. It was so grotesquely convoluted to begin with that this decision should fall under the heading of "duh".

This is great news, though the three who voted against it should be waterboarded.

Now if we can kill Obamacare, it will mark the first two REAL signs that, in fact, the Consititution hasn't been reduced to toilet paper.
 
Erod said:
This is about taxpayer-paid employees ability to unionize against taxpayers. It was so grotesquely convoluted to begin with that this decision should fall under the heading of "duh".
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I wholeheartedly believe that public unions have way way way too much power, and that they are catered too way way way too often for the sake of political expediency.

My point is that for the government to enter into legally binding contracts when it is politically expedient and then use the force of law to break them when it is politically expedient is wrong and shouldn't be allowed.
 
I'm not saying that they don't have the power to do so. They obviously do, or else the unions wouldn't have bothered with the penny-ante tactics and gone right for the heart of the matter.

I'm saying "should." As in, what would've been the right thing in my opinion. The law and what's right quite often do not agree in the slightest.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I'm not saying that they don't have the power to do so. They obviously do, or else the unions wouldn't have bothered with the penny-ante tactics and gone right for the heart of the matter.

I'm saying "should." As in, what would've been the right thing in my opinion. The law and what's right quite often do not agree in the slightest.
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Oh I agree but I think it's incredibly unethical for states to have unionized employees.
It's a relatively new phenomenon too.

In previous decades, even the unions thought that state worker unions were wrong.
 
I can't say I disagree with you there.

I do think that it's essential for law enforcement professionals to have a certain measure of representation to protect their interests while they risk their necks -- and I'll admit some bias here, I come from a cop family. Even so, the current situation with public unions (law enforcement unions included) is out of hand.
 
Misterveritis said:
In your opinion how would that happen? How would corporate America "take over"?

Once corporate regulation fails, larger corporations will monopolize into one big WalMart giant where you buy everything. The new Company store. The store where everybody works for, buys from. With total control of labor and food and military, the US government will fall, as there will be no taxes to run it. It will be phased out. Capitalism is all about the one Winner at the top takes all. Monsanto for instance controls all crops by gobbling up all patents to seed, & going global. The military is already a corporate tool, and does nothing for you, does not protect you, does not die for you.
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In your mind is "corporate America" the same thing as the "federal government"?
Only in the sense of manipulation to power and total control of America, by using paid dupes-represenatatives to usher in the takeover. Like Saddam, with the fall, they will be led out into the streets and shot one by one in front of the people.
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Is it a single entity with a President? Where does "corporate America" get its power? How would it make me do anything?
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I am not a conspirator, it could be anyone among the top ten in the entire world. I don't think it is just happening by accident or without direction.

Just follow along with the evidence below. They are like pieces of a puzzle falling into place.

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Yes President after President defying Congress and murdering people. Hmm, Iraq was limited as well, we would be in an out we were told. Look at what you have. A Congress that says the Commander doesn't have the power, and the the US military, your neighbors in uniform, following orders. Hopefully you can figure it out, as I don't have all the answers, I just see the pattern and where it is going.
 
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