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Huntsman Announcing His Candidacy on June 21st

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MANCHESTER, N.H. – Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman is joining the fast-growing pack of Republicans battling to take on President Barack Obama.
Huntsman, who was Obama's ambassador to China until a month ago, will make his formal announcement next Tuesday — with the Statue of Liberty as the backdrop, his campaign team said. Though he served in Washington for three Republican presidents, he faces a challenge in making himself known nationally and winning over GOP primary voters.
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If nothing else he'll gave some inside knowledge about hos Obama really thinks, if he does.

The field is getting crowded and I hope it thins quickly one the Primaries begin.

I also hope they all observe Reagans 11th Commandment.

"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
 
Your Star said:
There's a Marxist running? You think this would be bigger news.
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I cannot tell if he is running. He might be golfing. Or maybe playing basketball. He might be tending the weeds in his wife's garden. He could even be smoking. But whatever he is doing the Marxist is the one term president Obama.
 
Misterveritis said:
I cannot tell if he is running. He might be golfing. Or maybe playing basketball. He might be tending the weeds in his wife's garden. He could even be smoking. But whatever he is doing the Marxist is the one term president Obama.
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You must not know what the definition of Marxist is then, let me tell you, it is a political theory by Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels, which is what led to modern communism, which you know, calls for a classless, stateless society structured on common ownership of production. Now, knowing this, would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
 
Your Star said:
You must not know what the definition of Marxist is then, let me tell you, it is a political theory by Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels, which is what led to modern communism, which you know, calls for a classless, stateless society structured on common ownership of production. Now, knowing this, would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
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There is theory, which always fails...and there is practice, which also fails. The one term president Obama has failed in theory and in practice.
 
Misterveritis said:
There is theory, which always fails...and there is practice, which also fails. The one term president Obama has failed in theory and in practice.
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Your Star said:
You must not know what the definition of Marxist is then, let me tell you, it is a political theory by Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels, which is what led to modern communism, which you know, calls for a classless, stateless society structured on common ownership of production. Now, knowing this, would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
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This is not what I asked for. Please answer my question.
 
Your Star said:
You must not know what the definition of Marxist is then, let me tell you, it is a political theory by Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels, which is what led to modern communism, which you know, calls for a classless, stateless society structured on common ownership of production. Now, knowing this, would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
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What Marxist flavor do you prefer? Marxism-Leninism? Marxism-Stalinism, Maoism? Marxism-Obama-ism? Which do you prefer?
 
Misterveritis said:
What Marxist flavor do you prefer? Marxism-Leninism? Marxism-Stalinism, Maoism? Marxism-Obama-ism? Which do you prefer?
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I'm not a communist, I don't think it is a good form of government, now that I have answered your question, please answer mine.

It's in bold.

Your Star said:
You must not know what the definition of Marxist is then, let me tell you, it is a political theory by Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels, which is what led to modern communism, which you know, calls for a classless, stateless society structured on common ownership of production. Now, knowing this, would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
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Being a Utahn by birth and raising, I can say that Huntsman will not get my vote. You see, one of his running promises was that he wouldn't abandon his office for any reason. That he would stick through with the people of Utah no matter what position was offered him or what tragedy befell him.

Then, as soon as someone offered him something else, he ran joined up quick like.

I'm no Democrat, but Huntsman becoming the GOP's primary candidate would guarantee I won't vote Republican.
 
Your Star said:
I'm not a communist, I don't think it is a good form of government, now that I have answered your question, please answer mine.

It's in bold.
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would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
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Of course. I will continue to call him a Marxist.

You do know there is a difference between theory and execution?
 
Misterveritis said:
Of course. I will continue to call him a Marxist.

You do know there is a difference between theory and execution?
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IOW, he has no proof.

But he's absolutely sure that Obama is a Secret Marxist, and so will continue to do so despite all evidence to the contrary.

Congratulations, you're being a bigot. Why am I not surprised that you're a conservative from Alabama?
 
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ItsAProcess said:
But he's absolutely sure that Obama is a Secret Marxist,
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Secret? It does not appear to be so. He is openly intent upon destroying the US free market system, to significantly increase the size, scope and reach of the federal government, all while remaking us into just another European-style socialist country.
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and so will continue to do so despite all evidence to the contrary.
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If you prefer the term statist I will begin to use it so you are more "comfortable". None of the "isms' ever exactly fit. But that really doesn't matter.
ItsAProcess said:
Congratulations, you're being a bigot. Why am I not surprised that you're a conservative from Alabama?
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Beats me. You know those awesome charges do not sway me. I know that I am right. I know that you are wrong. I also know that the one term president Obama has just a limited time left for endless rounds of golf, basketball, and extravagant entertainment at the White House. I look forward to his status as the ex-president.
 
This is a debate forum. One of the basic ideas behind civilized debate is that if someone calls your assertions into question, you provide them proof, evidence, or data to support your theory. Not MORE foundationless accusations. In return, if they continue to disagree with you, they provide counter evidence, proof or data to support their opinion. Until logic dictates and shows that one side has the more valid and reasoned opinion.

You are not doing this, you are instead simply continuing to spew your rhetoric without the basis of proof, evidence, or data.

Since you have been asked many times to do so, but refuse to do so in the face of multiple requests by separate members, you are not engaging in debate.

Since this is a debate forum, and you are not participating in the stated goals of said forum, you are not worth interacting with. Henceforth communicating and Arguing with you is a futile, profitless effort. And anyone who continues to do so from this point is wasting their time. If their goals are to engage in intelligent, civilized debate.

Since I absolutely abhor wasting my time, I shall not continue to do so. You are below me, not worth the effort.

You are the weakest link.
 
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Your Star said:
You must not know what the definition of Marxist is then, let me tell you, it is a political theory by Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels, which is what led to modern communism, which you know, calls for a classless, stateless society structured on common ownership of production. Now, knowing this, would you still call Obama a Marxist, and if so, can you cite specific evidence through bills he has promoted as President, voted for as a senator etc.
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Communism as you describe it will never and can never exist. So let's stick with reality, and those regimes that considered themselves more or less communist. Those with a communist party, you know those countries.
 
Misterveritis said:
Of course. I will continue to call him a Marxist.

You do know there is a difference between theory and execution?
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So you will call him a Marxist, even though he has not supported any Marxist legislation? Now why would you call someone something they are not?
 
Misterveritis said:
Of course. I will continue to call him a Marxist.

You do know there is a difference between theory and execution?
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So you will call him a Marxist, even though he has not supported any Marxist legislation? Now why would you call someone something they are not?
 
Your Star said:
So you will call him a Marxist, even though he has not supported any Marxist legislation? Now why would you call someone something they are not?
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Do you think that is important? It really isn't.
Evaluate for yourself what he said he is going to do to us. Evaluate for yourself what he has done so far. Ask yourself if you are ready for government bureaucrats and party members deciding if you get the job, the health care, the energy...or if someone else should have it. Ask yourself why you are so eager to sell your liberty for a cold bowl of porridge.
 
Your Star said:
So you will call him a Marxist, even though he has not supported any Marxist legislation? Now why would you call someone something they are not?
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Your Star, he isn't worth Arguing with. He's a giant balloon of rhetoric without any logic. He is fanaticism embodied. He could no more change his mind or tow anything but the extremist party line as he could spread wings and fly. He's not going to reply to you with anything but rhetoric.

Really.
 
Misterveritis said:
Do you think that is important? It really isn't.
Evaluate for yourself what he said he is going to do to us. Evaluate for yourself what he has done so far. Ask yourself if you are ready for government bureaucrats and party members deciding if you get the job, the health care, the energy...or if someone else should have it. Ask yourself why you are so eager to sell your liberty for a cold bowl of porridge.
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I'm evaluating everything Obama has said, and supported through legislation, and he isn't a Marxist. Hell, he is barely center left, he has done nothing that could be identified as Marxist by someone who knows what they are talking about. Wanting a government healthcare plan, does not make one a marxist, just like wanting a government run military does not make one a marxist. A marxist wants an economy with no personal ownership, and our economy is nothing like that, and Obama doesn't want that.
 
Misterveritis said:
Do you think that is important? It really isn't.
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Actually, I've found that ideas based in reality are important.

I'm proposing a sub-law to Godwin's law. In any thread in which Barack Obama is mentioned, it's only a matter of time before someone calls him a Marxist. Sub-sub-law -- it's only a matter of time before said person says that we don't need any evidence to convict him.
 
ItsAProcess said:
He is fanaticism embodied. He could no more change his mind or tow anything but the extremist party line as he could spread wings and fly.
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Actually, I would think it's quite hard to fly with only a right wing.
 
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