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Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

More from the woozy Bachman.

In a speech to the Republican Leadership Conference Friday, Michele Bachmann said “I think very likely what the president intends is that Medicare will go broke and ultimately that answer will be Obamacare for senior citizens.”

So she believes that the president wants to 'end Medicare as we know it' to force seniors into the private insurance market? Does she realize that this is what Paul Ryan's plan does? Does she realize that she supports Ryan's plan? Does she believe that President Obama has secretly moved to her side of the aisle?

Keep'em coming, it just gets better and better...:lol:
 
More from the woozy Bachman.

In a speech to the Republican Leadership Conference Friday, Michele Bachmann said “I think very likely what the president intends is that Medicare will go broke and ultimately that answer will be Obamacare for senior citizens.”

So she believes that the president wants to 'end Medicare as we know it' to force seniors into the private insurance market? Does she realize that this is what Paul Ryan's plan does? Does she realize that she supports Ryan's plan? Does she believe that President Obama has secretly moved to her side of the aisle?

Keep'em coming, it just gets better and better...:lol:

She will just say anything.
 
Can the company cover it's loses without falling into bankruptcy?

Communications are hard. Clearly. I sense that you are moving the goal. That is fine. We have gone from you statement that a company that is losing money is profitable to the one above that a company that is losing money might avoid bankruptcy. The former statement is goofy. The latter is reasonable.
 
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More from the woozy Bachman.

In a speech to the Republican Leadership Conference Friday, Michele Bachmann said “I think very likely what the president intends is that Medicare will go broke and ultimately that answer will be Obamacare for senior citizens.”

So she believes that the president wants to 'end Medicare as we know it' to force seniors into the private insurance market? Does she realize that this is what Paul Ryan's plan does? Does she realize that she supports Ryan's plan? Does she believe that President Obama has secretly moved to her side of the aisle?

Keep'em coming, it just gets better and better...:lol:

Are you saying that you don't know what said, that it needs clarification, that you're confused, and to "keep'em coming"?

Whatever for?
 
Communications are hard. Clearly. I sense that you are moving the goal. That is fine. We have gone from you statement that a company that is losing money is profitable to the one above that a company that is losing money might avoid bankruptcy. The former statement is goofy. The latter is reasonable.

A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.
 
This conversation about profit about been going on for too long, it's especially too long when I am the one person explaining my statements and arguments. It's like arguing with a voice recording on the phone at this point... same posts over and over. "You're wrong." "You don't know what you're talking about."
 
A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.

If they made a profit they didn't lose money.
 
A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.

If they are "losing money" that means negative total net income (The term "bottom line" refers to the net income at the bottom of their Income Statement), regardless what small profits individual departments may make in their revenue lines.

Having revenue != making profits.
 
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A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.

No. all you're doing is moving the goal posts, such as listing expenses, future profits, different departments within a company, etc.

Bottom line is that a company which is not making profits is either breaking even or losing money. We use these words to mean particular things and profits and losses have substantially different meanings.
 
A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.
Given my renewed appreciation for how hard communications are I will accept your statement and move on.
 
If they made a profit they didn't lose money.

There you go again...

You're wrong. Dead wrong. A company can have losses in profit, but still break even... slumping sales, decrease in gains, but still not in the red.
 
No. all you're doing is moving the goal posts, such as listing expenses, future profits, different departments within a company, etc.

Bottom line is that a company which is not making profits is either breaking even or losing money. We use these words to mean particular things and profits and losses have substantially different meanings.

Let's not get off topic, somebody claimed Chrysler was not profitable because they reported losses, and losses where exactly?? I am not sure. But making a claim like that was flawed. The company is profitable if you look at their stock portfolio and that's because analysts have went over the financial statements, calculated financial ratios, and determined the company is a good investment still... in order words, wall st analysts are saying the company is profitable, therefore people invest in it and expect a profit.
 
No. all you're doing is moving the goal posts, such as listing expenses, future profits, different departments within a company, etc.

Bottom line is that a company which is not making profits is either breaking even or losing money. We use these words to mean particular things and profits and losses have substantially different meanings.

In addition, I am not moving the goal posts. I am explaining that "losses" can mean a plethora of things... you're just assuming it means one thing.
 
In addition, I am not moving the goal posts. I am explaining that "losses" can mean a plethora of things... you're just assuming it means one thing.

Yes, I am assuming "losses" mean "losses".
 
Yes, I am assuming "losses" mean "losses".

It's finally came to this... :lol:

The dictionary.


Audio English.net » Dictionary » F » Fimbria ... Fine Structure

FINANCIAL LOSS
Pronunciation (US):
Dictionary entry overview: What does financial loss mean?
• FINANCIAL LOSS (noun)
The noun FINANCIAL LOSS has 1 sense:
1. loss of money or decrease in financial value

What does financial loss mean? definition, meaning and pronunciation (Free English Language Dictionary)

Noun 1. financial loss - loss of money or decrease in financial value
nonpayment, nonremittal, default - loss resulting from failure of a debt to be paid
capital loss - the amount by which the purchase price of an asset exceeds the selling price; the loss is realized when the asset is sold
loss - something that is lost; "the car was a total loss"; "loss of livestock left the rancher bankrupt"
wear and tear, depreciation - decrease in value of an asset due to obsolescence or use
losings, losses - something lost (especially money lost at gambling)
financial loss - definition of financial loss by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

In finance, a loss is a loss in money... That's all it ****ing means. It doesn't mean "incapable of profit."

Now you're going to keep telling me that I am moving the goal post, and I am not. I am simply explaining what financial losses are... Financial loss can refer to a a number of financial situations. There are hundreds of different financial losses a company can have... "A loss" doesn't simply mean it's not profitable. If a company is not profitable, it would be reporting losses... but it's backward to think that every company reporting losses means it's not profitable.
 
If they are "losing money" that means negative total net income (The term "bottom line" refers to the net income at the bottom of their Income Statement), regardless what small profits individual departments may make in their revenue lines.

Having revenue != making profits.

No, that's not what losing money means... A company can be "losing money" due to slumping sales, meaning when you calculate their profitability margin there will be a decrease in the margin (say from 20% down to 10%... i.e. they went from making a profit of 10 cents for every dollar of goods sold, to making 20 cents for every dollar of goods sold.) That means they are losing money due to lost sales revenue. However, it doesn't exactly mean that net income is negative. It would most likely mean that revenue fell... fell by 10 to 15% or so. When a company is reporting a net operating loss, then it's bottom line is in the red, and the company can potentially become illiquid and unprofitable.
 
No, that's not what losing money means... A company can be "losing money" due to slumping sales, meaning when you calculate their profitability margin there will be a decrease in the margin (say from 20% down to 10%... i.e. they went from making a profit of 10 cents for every dollar of goods sold, to making 20 cents for every dollar of goods sold.) That means they are losing money due to lost sales revenue. However, it doesn't exactly mean that net income is negative. It would most likely mean that revenue fell... fell by 10 to 15% or so. When a company is reporting a net operating loss, then it's bottom line is in the red, and the company can potentially become illiquid and unprofitable.


Ok, I think I get the gist of what you are saying here...You are trying to portray that losses in a company can be in one area, and not in another, therefore while still effecting the bottom line, not making the company a loser overall. On that I think everyone can get it, but is that really what we are talking about here? I mean this thread has either gone waaaaaay off the rails, or this entire line of thought is a purposeful diversion.

Besides, if a company looses in one area, but makes it up in another, then they are not in the "red" so to speak, but they do get to write those losses off in their tax filing do they not?

j-mac
 
Hatuey, it must be depressing to be so wrong and misguided so often.

No son, there hasn't been a GOP President who could be called an intellectual since.... well 30 years.

Clinton was Rhodes Scholar, Obama graduated top of his class, Jimmy Carter graduated near the top of his class.
Clinton wasn't a Rhodes Scholar. Obama wasn't a perfesser either. What qualifies Carter an intellectual? His record?

Obama and Carter have proven what it means to graduate at the top of the class. Carter is known as the worst modern president, and an anti-Semite to boot. Obama, in a short 30-months has shown us he is equal to Carter, if not worse.

What exactly makes Obama an intellectual? ROTFLOL... This I'd love to hear.

So much for what Leftists call "intellectuals".
Again, as I've stated many times, the right doesn't have an intellectual leader to save its soul. Mostly bumpkins who barely make it through school and get by based on popularity.
Republicans have a huge history of leaders who knew what made the country work. Contrast that to the Socialists on the other side of the aisle. They once claimed JFK, but cannot anymore as today he sounds like a Conservative Republican. The Libs have moved their posts so far Left, they believe Marxist ideology qualifies as "intellectual"... this isn't really anything new. They believe a few wise men, men smarter than the remainder of us should be responsible for protecting us from ourselves. How brilliant... if it didn't continually result in massive failure.

How intellectual is that? It's insanity really... doing the same crap others have done and failed miserably at, only to believe you can do it better.
That's our intellectual Left. Trying to sell us the same crapola and believing that by changing the packaging continuously, it will work. Have to admit... sometimes it does, as in 2008, but the correction was furious and clear. The "intellectuals" understand one thing, they cannot be honest about their desires and who they really are.

Yet, the Leftists and their "intellectuals" continue with their lies, deceit and repackaging efforts. Moderate today, Progressive tomorrow, Centrist the next season, Followed by independent, and then let the cycle repeat itself.

The right wing in this country and many others survives based on the support of farmers and country folks. Don't like it? Take it up with Nixon. The last intellectual in the GOP. He decided to try something called "The Southern Strategy".
Wrong again.

Republicans overwhelmingly introduced, promoted and passed every civil rights act from the end of the Civil War right up to and including the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The Myth of the Southern Strategy
The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’ - New York Times

Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics... Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”

It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class...

The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t.

“...when folks went to the polling booths,” he says, “they didn’t shoot off their own toes. They voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences.” Shafer says these results should give liberals hope. “If Southern politics is about class and not race,” he says, “then they can get it back.”

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I like Bachmann. I think she will be a tough one to beat, smart and a strong willed woman who knows her politics
 
Congratulations on finding your candidate, and welcome to the board. :)
 
Congratulations on finding your candidate, and welcome to the board. :)

Because he likes what she has to offer at this early stage that locks him in? Hmmmm. Seems libs are desperate for repubs to pick early so they can have time to make up crap about that candidate....

j-mac
 
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