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Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

I think it's offset by the macroeconomic shift in productivity garnered by their cheap labor, but then again thats pretty hush hush, you know, admitting we get something out of their work.

Since these are unskilled laborers we are talking about, the "macroeconomic shift" you are talking about is lower prices for lettuce, string beans and motel rooms. While the exploitation of these foreign workers may produce a net gain for those in states that do not host large numbers of illegals, for those states that do host large numbers of them, because they are paid so little, even if they have used phony ID's to work on the books, they will pay very little in taxes and because they earn so little, they are likely to be large consumers of social welfare benefits, so that in these states, despite the lower cost of salads, each one of them represents a net loss to that state's taxpayers. This is why it is so important that the voters in each state be able to decide to what extent they are willing to be exploited by illegals who are in turn being exploited by unscrupulous employers.
 
Where are the liberals on this topic? I really would like to hear their opinions on this.

Personally I cannot think of a good reason to oppose this law. It is illegal to come into this country illegally (duh)... and if the government wont do it's job, the states should be able to pick up the slack. This kind of law should be a federal law to begin with IMO.

But I'm always open to hearing arguments from different sides. Unfortunately those on the other side appear to be shying away from this topic on DP for some reason...
 
Where are the liberals on this topic? I really would like to hear their opinions on this.

But I'm always open to hearing arguments from different sides. Unfortunately those on the other side appear to be shying away from this topic on DP for some reason...
It is a done deal. We are already seeing the first illegals leaving. On a local radio show a person who owns rental property said one of his tenants came to him and asked for his security deposit back. He and his family were heading to Tennessee where they do not yet have such a law. The law will do what it is intended to do. If you hire illegal aliens you might lose your business licence. Awesome. That is why we voted those conservatives into office. They had their handshake with Alabama and they followed through.
 
I like this law. Hope very similar ones are passed in all the states.

As a side note, the governor of Alabama has my (late) uncle's name (the middle name is different though).
 
How much do they charge to do lawns?

I know it's less in California than it is in Mississippi. When I moved to the Gulf Coast, the going rate for lawn service was about twice what it was in Southern California, although paying more for lawn service is a small trade-off, I think, for not having your schools clogged with illegals.
 
Where are the liberals on this topic? I really would like to hear their opinions on this.

Personally I cannot think of a good reason to oppose this law. It is illegal to come into this country illegally (duh)... and if the government wont do it's job, the states should be able to pick up the slack. This kind of law should be a federal law to begin with IMO.

But I'm always open to hearing arguments from different sides. Unfortunately those on the other side appear to be shying away from this topic on DP for some reason...

Maybe they are tired of getting laughed at for uttering the lie "that's racist" in every illegal immigration debate.
 
You may be right, yet the same was said about Arizona employer bill. Guess what, the SC backed Arizona. So your great insight to the SC, is just an opinion. Taking your stance I'll say the SC will find nothing wrong with the law. Guess we will have to wait and see who is correct.
I don't know about that. The word "aid" is a little to broad to base a 5 year felony upon. Would you like for a cop to send an illegal to you to ask for simple directions in perfect English? Sure, it would be a setup, but I'd like to see you prove it in court. Hell, we had a large number of fake drug busts here not too long ago. Do you really want law enforcement to have another thumb screw to use on you?
 
I don't know about that. The word "aid" is a little to broad to base a 5 year felony upon. Would you like for a cop to send an illegal to you to ask for simple directions in perfect English? Sure, it would be a setup, but I'd like to see you prove it in court. Hell, we had a large number of fake drug busts here not too long ago. Do you really want law enforcement to have another thumb screw to use on you?

i have to admit...this is a good point. especially in the liberal totalitarian groupthink mode the country is moving towards.
it really should be amended to simply "those whom employ or shelter" instead of "aid".
 
Maybe they are tired of getting laughed at for uttering the lie "that's racist" in every illegal immigration debate.

No, just the racist ones.

I have no problem penalizing employers for hiring illegals.

But going after students in school? It won't go far. Another FAIL by the Tea Bags.

Perhaps if they were more educated BEFORE they ran for office...
 
No, just the racist ones.

I have no problem penalizing employers for hiring illegals.

But going after students in school? It won't go far. Another FAIL by the Tea Bags.

Perhaps if they were more educated BEFORE they ran for office...

I dont care who is and is not racist although it is 80% the latino that is. That being said I want every and all illegal latino OUT of America and that includes their anchor babies.
 
No, just the racist ones.

I have no problem penalizing employers for hiring illegals.

But going after students in school? It won't go far. Another FAIL by the Tea Bags.

Perhaps if they were more educated BEFORE they ran for office...

the very fact that it's been legislated at all proves a victory, not a fail. as has been pointed out before....
how many states have now defied this administration on policies? over half. this is no fail. this is you traitors
being defied by the average citizens of this nation.
 
I don't know about that. The word "aid" is a little to broad to base a 5 year felony upon. Would you like for a cop to send an illegal to you to ask for simple directions in perfect English? Sure, it would be a setup, but I'd like to see you prove it in court. Hell, we had a large number of fake drug busts here not too long ago. Do you really want law enforcement to have another thumb screw to use on you?

If it is written similar to Arizona SB1070, I have no issue with the law. Your senerio is not realistic. At least in AZ a person would have to have broken a law first to have LE question there legal status. I have more confidence in LE than you seem to have.
One thing for certain, we cannot continue with the status quo.
 
Then the states needs to start cracking down on those who hire illegals with some prison time.



yep, and cracking down on landlords that rent cockroach filled housing/apartments to them as well. What about doctors/hospitals?

Shouldn't they be forced by law to report any care they may have given to an illegal, as they have to do with gunshot wounds? And if they fail to do so, give 'em prison time.
 
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If it is written similar to Arizona SB1070, I have no issue with the law. Your senerio is not realistic. At least in AZ a person would have to have broken a law first to have LE question there legal status. I have more confidence in LE than you seem to have.
One thing for certain, we cannot continue with the status quo.

It's kinda humorous that a person has to break the law before their status can be questioned when they are here ILLEGALLY. You just cannot effectively enforce laws which are based on the premise that nobody else can be inconvenienced when investigating the possibility that someone may be illegal. I can see it now, a couple of policemen see some suspicious activity and one says "wait, lets wait to see if he will rob the guy so we can ask him if he is illegal." I think we need to define certain activity and certain other circumstances which allow just a little broader cause for action. I don't want wholesale harrassment of citizens but law enforcement needs a little more leeway.
 
If it is written similar to Arizona SB1070, I have no issue with the law. Your senerio is not realistic. At least in AZ a person would have to have broken a law first to have LE question there legal status. I have more confidence in LE than you seem to have.
One thing for certain, we cannot continue with the status quo.

When the local LE put men in prison by using wrapped up sheet rock dust as evidence, my confidence level took a big hit.
 
"the U.S. Supreme Court recently endorsed a separate Arizona law requiring employers to use E-Verify. The court also ruled that Arizona could suspend or revoke business licenses of those companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants."

This is the overwhelming punch that will push illegal aliens into states without the guts to deal with the issue. I am very pleased with my state and my governor.
Good, maybe we can eventually herd them together into one state and deal with them.
 
Why don't they just have the illegals wear armbands and live in ghettos?

Total strawman. Jews weren't in Germany illegally, and most were German citizens. Don't offend jews with these sorts of comparisons.
 
Well, since they came here to work, how about just putting them on trains and sending them to work camps.

I'm sure the Governors of Alabama and Arizona could appoint a committee to figure out exactly how many illegal workers they need, then arrange to have the surplus workers sent to special camps with showers and stuff...

Yeah, then "they" could hire liberal guards to be their overseers. Why don't you run that up the flagpole and see how it goes?
 
Legal immigration into this country is a horrifically convoluted and lengthy process. For a poor, unskilled person with no family ties here it is usually impossible.

Then why don't you fix it, if you are that concerns.
 
every state in this country needs to pass legislation like this.
this is "game over" for the border jumping criminals.
it is now a felony in alabama, punishable by up to 5 years in prison,
to in anyway aid an illegal alien.

we'll see what obama has to say on this one. another lawsuit?

Alabama governor signs nation's toughest immigration law | Reuters

So - I find it surprising that schools, now, don't require a copy of the birth certificate and social security card to enroll - mine does. . . as well as immunization records, etc.

"We fear that it will, in effect, ban the student through fear and harassment," said Shay Farley, legal director of Alabama Appleseed, a nonprofit policy and legal advocacy organization.

Farley said there is also concern about the increased financial burden on schools to collect the information.

Since I alredy provide these things I don't see the issue in requiring others to verify this - it take a few minutes, a few copies without them even having to stand up, machines right in front of their desk - filed by a clerk - done . . .waah waah, the increased workload must be a burden.
 
It's kinda humorous that a person has to break the law before their status can be questioned when they are here ILLEGALLY. You just cannot effectively enforce laws which are based on the premise that nobody else can be inconvenienced when investigating the possibility that someone may be illegal. I can see it now, a couple of policemen see some suspicious activity and one says "wait, lets wait to see if he will rob the guy so we can ask him if he is illegal." I think we need to define certain activity and certain other circumstances which allow just a little broader cause for action. I don't want wholesale harrassment of citizens but law enforcement needs a little more leeway.

imo, that part of AZ laws was to try to mitigate protest that the law racial profiles. I agree, illegal in this country is illegal. The laws like AZ and Alabama while not perfect is a step in the right direction.
 
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