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Obama Team Eyes Employer Payroll Tax Break

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What about hemorrhaging jobs to actually creating jobs do you not understand?

What about, there are two million more unemployed people now than there was last year don't you understand? Two million lost jobs in 12 months sounds like a hemorrage, to me.

What about, the government can't create jobs, don't you understand?
 
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Or more employee-friendly businesses.

Another one claiming that private businesses are at fault for unemployment. This is got the be the absolute worst talking point the Libbos have come up with, ever.
 
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This is got the be the absolute worst talking point the Libbos have come up with, ever.

oh, I dunno, I think the latest round of "it's not our fault because government really can't effect the economy" rates up there.
 
oh, I dunno, I think the latest round of "it's not our fault because government really can't effect the economy" rates up there.

Runnin' neck-n-neck, for sure.
 
What about hemorrhaging jobs to actually creating jobs do you not understand?

In February 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that 141.7 million people were employed. By the end of May 2011 – the last month for which data are available – that number had fallen to 139.8 million, a difference of 1.9 million..

This does not mean that the economy is not creating jobs, but rather that it is not creating jobs fast enough to keep up with a combination of layoffs and people entering the job market for the first time.

In a Washington Post op-ed, former White House chief economist Larry Summers noted that the percentage of the population that has a job has not improved, even though the economy is technically in recovery.

“From the first quarter of 2006 to the first quarter of 2011, the U.S. economy’s growth rate averaged less than 1 percent a year,” Summers wrote. “The fraction of the population working remains almost exactly at its recession trough, and recent reports suggest that growth is slowing.”

The fraction of the population with a job has in fact fallen in the 28 months since Congress passed the stimulus – down from 60.3 percent in February 2009 to 58.4 percent in May 2011....

As both Summers and the BLS data make clear, the economy is not creating new jobs fast enough to make up for layoffs and new graduates, calling into question Obama’s oft-repeated claim that the economy is recovering and creating jobs.

In fact, by citing figures from the first quarter of 2006, Summers is understating the economy’s poor performance. According to BLS data, the number of people with jobs peaked at 146.6 million in November 2007, meaning that over the entire recession – which officially began in December 2007 – the number of people employed has fallen by 6.8 million.



:shakes fist: darn that partisan bureau of labor statistics!
 
Runnin' neck-n-neck, for sure.

I asked Boo if that meant that the different systems of governance between North and South Korea were thus not responsible for the differences in their economies, and the man honestly tried to argue that they weren't....
 
Runnin' neck-n-neck, for sure.

What fantasy wins the Conservative Sweepstakes? The Grand Prize, in my view, should go to the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the joke called the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003. Second Place: the business-friendly People's Republic of China, where an up-an-coming, anti-Western cadre of young communist bureaucrats enforces human rights and the rule of law, including protection of intellectual property rights.
 

In February 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that 141.7 million people were employed. By the end of May 2011 – the last month for which data are available – that number had fallen to 139.8 million, a difference of 1.9 million..

This does not mean that the economy is not creating jobs, but rather that it is not creating jobs fast enough to keep up with a combination of layoffs and people entering the job market for the first time.

In a Washington Post op-ed, former White House chief economist Larry Summers noted that the percentage of the population that has a job has not improved, even though the economy is technically in recovery.

“From the first quarter of 2006 to the first quarter of 2011, the U.S. economy’s growth rate averaged less than 1 percent a year,” Summers wrote. “The fraction of the population working remains almost exactly at its recession trough, and recent reports suggest that growth is slowing.”

The fraction of the population with a job has in fact fallen in the 28 months since Congress passed the stimulus – down from 60.3 percent in February 2009 to 58.4 percent in May 2011....

As both Summers and the BLS data make clear, the economy is not creating new jobs fast enough to make up for layoffs and new graduates, calling into question Obama’s oft-repeated claim that the economy is recovering and creating jobs.

In fact, by citing figures from the first quarter of 2006, Summers is understating the economy’s poor performance. According to BLS data, the number of people with jobs peaked at 146.6 million in November 2007, meaning that over the entire recession – which officially began in December 2007 – the number of people employed has fallen by 6.8 million.



:shakes fist: darn that partisan bureau of labor statistics!

In other words, instead of jobs being destroyed, they are being created which has been my point.
 
What fantasy wins the Conservative Sweepstakes? The Grand Prize, in my view, should go to the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the joke called the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003. Second Place: the business-friendly People's Republic of China, where an up-an-coming, anti-Western cadre of young communist bureaucrats enforces human rights and the rule of law, including protection of intellectual property rights.

So the 50 months of job growth was a joke, too? How about the 5% unemployment rate, prior to the Dems sabotaging the economy? A joke?

A joke compared what? Obama's 9-plus-% unemployment?
 
So the 50 months of job growth was a joke, too? How about the 5% unemployment rate, prior to the Dems sabotaging the economy? A joke?

A joke compared what? Obama's 9-plus-% unemployment?

You do realize it takes awhile for bad practices to have their bad affects? The same can be said of good practices right? If Bush inherited a Clinton recession, like most of your ilk claim, then Obama definitely inherited a Bush recession.
 
You do realize it takes awhile for bad practices to have their bad affects? The same can be said of good practices right? If Bush inherited a Clinton recession, like most of your ilk claim, then Obama definitely inherited a Bush recession.

Now, that is a classic talking point. :lamo
 
Now, that is a classic talking point. :lamo

By both sides. I'm simply point out your side's hypocrisy. Just so we are clear, I don't think Obama has helped the job situation much, but I don't think more tax cuts will do anything either.
 
You do realize it takes awhile for bad practices to have their bad affects? The same can be said of good practices right? If Bush inherited a Clinton recession, like most of your ilk claim, then Obama definitely inherited a Bush recession.

what will the next president inherit. The fed has kept interest rates extraordinarily low for 3 years with no end in sight, and a recession due to excess borrowing is being followed by huge new debt by the federal government.
 
So the 50 months of job growth was a joke, too? How about the 5% unemployment rate, prior to the Dems sabotaging the economy? A joke?

Those jobs were concentrated in construction and finance, thanks principally to easy money and the bubble that was building in real estate. They began disappearing almost immediately upon the collapse of the bubble, which culminated in the financial crisis of 2008. Only the disingenuous can blame Obama for that. Also, I separate permanent, high-paying, full-time jobs from juiced employment or part-time gigs at Popeye's or Big Lots.

So when are these tax cuts supposed to kick in? The first one was passed ten years ago.
 
In other words, instead of jobs being destroyed, they are being created which has been my point.

if more jobs are destroyed then created, the the net is loss. in other words, yes, jobs were and are still being destroyed.
 
By both sides. I'm simply point out your side's hypocrisy. Just so we are clear, I don't think Obama has helped the job situation much, but I don't think more tax cuts will do anything either.

perhaps that's why Republicans shifted to the quite-lucrative area of tax simplification rather than tax cuts in their 2012 budget :)
 
perhaps that's why Republicans shifted to the quite-lucrative area of tax simplification rather than tax cuts in their 2012 budget :)

Too bad they ****ed up by insisting on tax cuts and then balancing the tax cuts with medicare cuts. Tax simplification where loop holes are removed and the marginal rate is reduced should still result in more revenue because you no longer have a situation where some businesses don't pay any taxes.
 
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perhaps that's why Republicans shifted to the quite-lucrative area of tax simplification rather than tax cuts in their 2012 budget :)

Maybe it's time for a German-style industrial policy and for Americans to stop being chumps when it comes to "free trade," an oxymoron if ever there was one. There's nothing "free" about it:

Nobel laureate Michael Spence, author of The Next Convergence, has looked at which American companies created jobs at home from 1990 to 2008, a period of extreme globalization. The results are startling. The companies that did business in global markets, including manufacturers, banks, exporters, energy firms and financial services, contributed almost nothing to overall American job growth. The firms that did contribute were those operating mostly in the U.S. market, immune to global competition — health care companies, government agencies, retailers and hotels. Sadly, jobs in these sectors are lower paid and lower skilled than those that were outsourced. "When I first looked at the data, I was kind of stunned," says Spence, who now advocates a German-style industrial policy to keep jobs in some high-value sectors at home. Clearly, it's a myth that businesses are simply waiting for more economic and regulatory "certainty" to invest back home.

What U.S. Economic Recovery? Five Destructive Myths - TIME
 
In other words, instead of jobs being destroyed, they are being created which has been my point.

The economy needs to generate at least 125,000 jobs per month just to keep up with population growth. At least twice that many are needed to bring down the unemployment rate.

New Jobless Claims 414,000 - Yahoo! Finance

the white house bragging point, ie, the best it's got---2.1 million private sector jobs created---comes to a piddly 75000 per month

which explains the wall to wall coverage of our "historically slow recovery"

Job creation limps along after recession - USATODAY.com

we've actually LOST net jobs since the passage of the stim

1.9 Million Fewer Americans Have Jobs Today Than When Obama Signed Stimulus | CNSnews.com

the white house promised that with the passage of that 862B boondoggle we'd be under 7% unemployment today

Romer and Bernstein on stimulus - NYTimes.com

when is the last time the slasher stumped on the stim

Echo Chamber: The new S-word? - Alexander Trowbridge - POLITICO.com

it is what it is

Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

obama's chief economic adviser lawrence summers, who like orszag and romer and goolsbee QUIT, wrote a wapo op ed this week unambiguously warning of "little economic growth ahead unless new measures are enacted"

Larry Summers: Boost the payroll tax cut - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

the slasher's lugubrious legacy of loss

party on, progressives
 
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Too bad they ****ed up by insisting on tax cuts and then balancing the tax cuts with medicare cuts. Tax simplification where loop holes are removed and the marginal rate is reduced should still result in more revenue because you no longer have a situation where some businesses don't pay any taxes.

You don't have a situation where businesses don't pay taxes.
 
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